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Quote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2013,18:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,07:21) Things DID happen the way they did, but they didn't HAVE TO happen that way. Is it hard for you to believe that God had high hopes when He created man in His image?
Read it again:
Genesis 6:6
The Lord regretted that he had made humankind on the earth, and he was grieved to his heart.If the way things turned out had been God's plan all along, He would never have REGRETTED doing what He did. He wouldn't have felt “grieved to His heart” about His actions.
I agree Mike.When God gives his created beings free will, then he has no control of that will except he sets boundaries.
Hi t8,I personally believe that God had high hopes for us. I believe He hoped that Adam would behave like Jesus did when tempted by Satan, and that mankind would have borne that seed of righteousness, instead of the seed of sin.
Once Adam and Eve did sin, then alternate plans for redemption had to be put into place. In fact, had it not been for Noah, perhaps God would have wiped us all out at the time of Genesis 6:6, when He was regretting making us at all. But He apparently saw enough in Noah to give mankind another chance.
And then came Abraham, which was God's hope to make for Himself a “pure” nation, once and for all. But mankind even messed up that wonderful plan of God.
Jesus was the “last straw”, so to speak. There are no more “chances” for us after him. Instead, there will be one last “house cleaning”, once and for all. If you're found worthy, you're invited. If not, you're a gonner.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,06:42) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2013,18:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,07:21) Things DID happen the way they did, but they didn't HAVE TO happen that way. Is it hard for you to believe that God had high hopes when He created man in His image?
Read it again:
Genesis 6:6
The Lord regretted that he had made humankind on the earth, and he was grieved to his heart.If the way things turned out had been God's plan all along, He would never have REGRETTED doing what He did. He wouldn't have felt “grieved to His heart” about His actions.
I agree Mike.When God gives his created beings free will, then he has no control of that will except he sets boundaries.
Hi t8,I personally believe that God had high hopes for us. I believe He hoped that Adam would behave like Jesus did when tempted by Satan, and that mankind would have borne that seed of righteousness, instead of the seed of sin.
Once Adam and Eve did sin, then alternate plans for redemption had to be put into place. In fact, had it not been for Noah, perhaps God would have wiped us all out at the time of Genesis 6:6, when He was regretting making us at all. But He apparently saw enough in Noah to give mankind another chance.
And then came Abraham, which was God's hope to make for Himself a “pure” nation, once and for all. But mankind even messed up that wonderful plan of God.
Jesus was the “last straw”, so to speak. There are no more “chances” for us after him. Instead, there will be one last “house cleaning”, once and for all. If you're found worthy, you're invited. If not, you're a gonner.
this is very true and agree with it
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,04:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,18:06) Mike B64. Do you know that what had happened to the old world, had to happen that way? God had to show mankind that he can destroy the earth,and Enoch was saved for a witness.
I disagree, Wakeup.Things DID happen the way they did, but they didn't HAVE TO happen that way.
Is it hard for you to believe that God had high hopes when He created man in His image?
Read it again:
Genesis 6:6
The Lord regretted that he had made humankind on the earth, and he was grieved to his heart.If the way things turned out had been God's plan all along, He would never have REGRETTED doing what He did. He wouldn't have felt “grieved to His heart” about His actions.
Mike B.You Just dont realise what you are saying.
It sounds like you believe in God, but denying the power.
God knows it all; yesterday today and tomorrow.What had happened must happen that way,its part of his long plan.
God does not think like we do;for he is from above and we are from below.
God did not make a mistake by creating the cherub lucifer.
God did not make a mistake by choosing israel.
God did not make a mistake by choosing Judas Iscariot as an apostle; for that was all his plan,from the beginning.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2013,02:17) Wakeup, Why did Jehovah regret making humanity if he knows that everything will end up for the best?
Kerwin.Dont make that verse look as God had made a big mistake. Because he does not make mistakes as we do.
How can God make mistakes,if he already knew the out come?He regretted to see the evil things thats going on,yes, he was saddened,but it had to be that way,according to plan.
The same also with the world. We PLAN a certain war,and we see children killed,and its sad to see;but the war had to be PLANNED that way.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
A righteous woman is made sad she gave birth to a child when that child chooses am evil path. She loves the child but does not want the evil the child does to occur even if she knew that in the long term good would result.
In this way God is made sorrowful by mankind being made even though he had the fellowship of the mystery of Christ hidden in him at that time.
Ephesians 3:9
King James Version (KJV)9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
My thought is how to make these things clear to those who do not yet understand how Jehovah can be all knowing and yet feel sorrow for making mankind.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2013,08:43) Wakeup, A righteous woman is made sad she gave birth to a child when that child chooses am evil path. She loves the child but does not want the evil the child does to occur even if she knew that in the long term good would result.
In this way God is made sorrowful by mankind being made even though he had the fellowship of the mystery of Christ hidden in him at that time.
Ephesians 3:9
King James Version (KJV)9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
My thought is how to make these things clear to those who do not yet understand how Jehovah can be all knowing and yet feel sorrow for making mankind.
Kerwin.God loved the world,but he has to put man through evil.
And yet he felt sad to see all the evil man is doing.
But that is the only way for man to know evil,man has to experience it.Man will never know true evil untill he experience evil and see evil,and feel the consequences.
This plan was before lucifer, and the world was created.Even the angels in heaven has never seen evil,before man was created. They also must see what evil is all about.
Therefore evil must escalate to the maximum,before it will be destroyed.
The time is now, that evil has reached to heaven;ready to be harvested,and cast in the fire.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2013,09:45) God loved the world,but he has to put man through evil.
And yet he felt sad to see all the evil man is doing.
But that is the only way for man to know evil,man has to experience it.Man will never know true evil until he experience evil and see evil,and feel the consequences.
This plan was before lucifer, and the world was created.
.
Wakeup……….You have it right brother. God knew right from the start what was going to happen, there was no “Chance ” thing tied to it. Scripture say God knows the end from the beginning.Also “after” man sinned it says his eyes were opened , what did God say? look the man has become as we are to “KNOW” good and evil The word Know there means, as you have said, (to experience) to be personally involved with, and that is what it takes to become as God is in knowing Good and evil. “Experience” is the best teacher as the old saying goes.
God was and is and always has been “SOVEREIGN” and knew exactly what he was doing and what mankind would do from the very beginning.
Good Job Wakeup.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 04 2013,14:42) Hi t8, I personally believe that God had high hopes for us. I believe He hoped that Adam would behave like Jesus did when tempted by Satan, and that mankind would have borne that seed of righteousness, instead of the seed of sin.
Once Adam and Eve did sin, then alternate plans for redemption had to be put into place. In fact, had it not been for Noah, perhaps God would have wiped us all out at the time of Genesis 6:6, when He was regretting making us at all. But He apparently saw enough in Noah to give mankind another chance.
And then came Abraham, which was God's hope to make for Himself a “pure” nation, once and for all. But mankind even messed up that wonderful plan of God.
Jesus was the “last straw”, so to speak. There are no more “chances” for us after him. Instead, there will be one last “house cleaning”, once and for all. If you're found worthy, you're invited. If not, you're a gonner.
Well put.Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2013,05:17) Wakeup, Why did Jehovah regret making humanity if he knows that everything will end up for the best?
God gave man free will or the ability to choose.Free will is like giving away sovereignty. When this happens, you have self-rule and the giver takes a risk because the choices that the new entity makes may not necessarily line up with the will of the one who gave the free will or self-rule in the first place.
But as the saying goes, “if you love something, set it free”.
God gave us the ability to chose for ourselves because he loves us. Love without choice is not love. Love can only exist with choice.
This is why God gave the first man and woman the Tree of Life and the Tree of Good &Evil.
This was about giving us choice and as long as we chose to eat from the Tree of Life, we were choosing God.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 10 2013,08:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2013,09:45) God loved the world,but he has to put man through evil.
And yet he felt sad to see all the evil man is doing.
But that is the only way for man to know evil,man has to experience it.Man will never know true evil until he experience evil and see evil,and feel the consequences.
This plan was before lucifer, and the world was created.
.
Wakeup……….You have it right brother. God knew right from the start what was going to happen, there was no “Chance ” thing tied to it. Scripture say God knows the end from the beginning.Also “after” man sinned it says his eyes were opened , what did God say? look the man has become as we are to “KNOW” good and evil The word Know there means, as you have said, (to experience) to be personally involved with, and that is what it takes to become as God is in knowing Good and evil. “Experience” is the best teacher as the old saying goes.
God was and is and always has been “SOVEREIGN” and knew exactly what he was doing and what mankind would do from the very beginning.
Good Job Wakeup.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Thank you Gene.
And God also knew us before we were born,he knows who is coming with him and who is not.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,03:53) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2013,05:17) Wakeup, Why did Jehovah regret making humanity if he knows that everything will end up for the best?
God gave man free will or the ability to choose.Free will is like giving away sovereignty. When this happens, you have self-rule and the giver takes a risk because the choices that the new entity makes may not necessarily line up with the will of the one who gave the free will or self-rule in the first place.
But as the saying goes, “if you love something, set it free”.
God gave us the ability to chose for ourselves because he loves us. Love without choice is not love. Love can only exist with choice.
This is why God gave the first man and woman the Tree of Life and the Tree of Good &Evil.
This was about giving us choice and as long as we chose to eat from the Tree of Life, we were choosing God.
T8,God's foreknowledge does not disprove the theory of free will. We make choices from our soul guided by our spirit. God foreknows every free choice we will make. God then places us at the time and location that will best serve his goal of rescuing each of every one of us that will freely choose to be rescued.
Scripture even states that Jehovah knew a prophet before he was in his mother's wombs, Jeremiah 1:5.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2013,12:30) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 10 2013,03:53) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2013,05:17) Wakeup, Why did Jehovah regret making humanity if he knows that everything will end up for the best?
God gave man free will or the ability to choose.Free will is like giving away sovereignty. When this happens, you have self-rule and the giver takes a risk because the choices that the new entity makes may not necessarily line up with the will of the one who gave the free will or self-rule in the first place.
But as the saying goes, “if you love something, set it free”.
God gave us the ability to chose for ourselves because he loves us. Love without choice is not love. Love can only exist with choice.
This is why God gave the first man and woman the Tree of Life and the Tree of Good &Evil.
This was about giving us choice and as long as we chose to eat from the Tree of Life, we were choosing God.
T8,God's foreknowledge does not disprove the theory of free will. We make choices from our soul guided by our spirit. God foreknows every free choice we will make. God then places us at the time and location that will best serve his goal of rescuing each of every one of us that will freely choose to be rescued.
Scripture even states that Jehovah knew a prophet before he was in his mother's wombs, Jeremiah 1:5.
I agree With you kerwin.
And God will never let us be tempted above our capacity to resist.So this means that if we fail ;it is because we did not do our best to resist it.
wakeup.
http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/mdc-rules-and-application-2011-03-09.pdf
Above, is the application, that I remember hearing about for probably a couple of decades.
It is the million dollar challenge.
Anyone who can do anything supernatural (under test conditions while being watched by magicians and people who aren't easily deceived) will be awarded 1 million dollars if they aren't found to be cheating.
On his website, there is a list of all the people who have tried to win the money.
The money is quite safe. His rules are fair. The James randi foundation was started by James randi, a magician and escape artist that I remember watching as a kid. He, like all magicians, knows how people deceive themselves and knows that no one will ever win the million dollars.
Is it because the demons don't want the psychics or clairvoyants or people with dowsing rods or telechenisis to have a million dollars?
Why is it that not one of the demons will perform for someone who actually understands how to decipher illusion?
If anyone here claims magical powers and wants a million dollars, I encourage you to go take it.
Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,12:13) http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/mdc-rules-and-application-2011-03-09.pdf Above, is the application, that I remember hearing about for probably a couple of decades.
It is the million dollar challenge.
Anyone who can do anything supernatural (under test conditions while being watched by magicians and people who aren't easily deceived) will be awarded 1 million dollars if they aren't found to be cheating.
On his website, there is a list of all the people who have tried to win the money.
The money is quite safe. His rules are fair. The James randi foundation was started by James randi, a magician and escape artist that I remember watching as a kid. He, like all magicians, knows how people deceive themselves and knows that no one will ever win the million dollars.
Is it because the demons don't want the psychics or clairvoyants or people with dowsing rods or telechenisis to have a million dollars?
Why is it that not one of the demons will perform for someone who actually understands how to decipher illusion?
If anyone here claims magical powers and wants a million dollars, I encourage you to go take it.
I know about this for as long you remember it, but that is not the issue,You have your priorities mixed,
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=32917
I have read many of the dialogues between those who wanted to make claims of supernatural powers and the moderators. They generally go like the thread link above.
Read a few hundred of these. They are quite entertaining. People are both crazy and bad at thinking rationally.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,17:48) Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,12:13) http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/mdc-rules-and-application-2011-03-09.pdf Above, is the application, that I remember hearing about for probably a couple of decades.
It is the million dollar challenge.
Anyone who can do anything supernatural (under test conditions while being watched by magicians and people who aren't easily deceived) will be awarded 1 million dollars if they aren't found to be cheating.
On his website, there is a list of all the people who have tried to win the money.
The money is quite safe. His rules are fair. The James randi foundation was started by James randi, a magician and escape artist that I remember watching as a kid. He, like all magicians, knows how people deceive themselves and knows that no one will ever win the million dollars.
Is it because the demons don't want the psychics or clairvoyants or people with dowsing rods or telechenisis to have a million dollars?
Why is it that not one of the demons will perform for someone who actually understands how to decipher illusion?
If anyone here claims magical powers and wants a million dollars, I encourage you to go take it.
I know about this for as long you remember it, but that is not the issue,You have your priorities mixed,
My priorities today, terrarica, is nothing more than an accurate understanding of reality.Not many have this as a priority.
Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,13:10) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,17:48) Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,12:13) http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/mdc-rules-and-application-2011-03-09.pdf Above, is the application, that I remember hearing about for probably a couple of decades.
It is the million dollar challenge.
Anyone who can do anything supernatural (under test conditions while being watched by magicians and people who aren't easily deceived) will be awarded 1 million dollars if they aren't found to be cheating.
On his website, there is a list of all the people who have tried to win the money.
The money is quite safe. His rules are fair. The James randi foundation was started by James randi, a magician and escape artist that I remember watching as a kid. He, like all magicians, knows how people deceive themselves and knows that no one will ever win the million dollars.
Is it because the demons don't want the psychics or clairvoyants or people with dowsing rods or telechenisis to have a million dollars?
Why is it that not one of the demons will perform for someone who actually understands how to decipher illusion?
If anyone here claims magical powers and wants a million dollars, I encourage you to go take it.
I know about this for as long you remember it, but that is not the issue,You have your priorities mixed,
My priorities today, terrarica, is nothing more than an accurate understanding of reality.Not many have this as a priority.
To me God,s word his the reality, everything else his fake,Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,13:10) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,17:48) Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,12:13) http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/mdc-rules-and-application-2011-03-09.pdf Above, is the application, that I remember hearing about for probably a couple of decades.
It is the million dollar challenge.
Anyone who can do anything supernatural (under test conditions while being watched by magicians and people who aren't easily deceived) will be awarded 1 million dollars if they aren't found to be cheating.
On his website, there is a list of all the people who have tried to win the money.
The money is quite safe. His rules are fair. The James randi foundation was started by James randi, a magician and escape artist that I remember watching as a kid. He, like all magicians, knows how people deceive themselves and knows that no one will ever win the million dollars.
Is it because the demons don't want the psychics or clairvoyants or people with dowsing rods or telechenisis to have a million dollars?
Why is it that not one of the demons will perform for someone who actually understands how to decipher illusion?
If anyone here claims magical powers and wants a million dollars, I encourage you to go take it.
I know about this for as long you remember it, but that is not the issue,You have your priorities mixed,
My priorities today, terrarica, is nothing more than an accurate understanding of reality.Not many have this as a priority.
David,Believe God and not man then.
There is no such thing as supernatural, except for God.
Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,18:10) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,17:48) Quote (david @ Jan. 19 2013,12:13) http://www.randi.org/site/images/stories/mdc-rules-and-application-2011-03-09.pdf Above, is the application, that I remember hearing about for probably a couple of decades.
It is the million dollar challenge.
Anyone who can do anything supernatural (under test conditions while being watched by magicians and people who aren't easily deceived) will be awarded 1 million dollars if they aren't found to be cheating.
On his website, there is a list of all the people who have tried to win the money.
The money is quite safe. His rules are fair. The James randi foundation was started by James randi, a magician and escape artist that I remember watching as a kid. He, like all magicians, knows how people deceive themselves and knows that no one will ever win the million dollars.
Is it because the demons don't want the psychics or clairvoyants or people with dowsing rods or telechenisis to have a million dollars?
Why is it that not one of the demons will perform for someone who actually understands how to decipher illusion?
If anyone here claims magical powers and wants a million dollars, I encourage you to go take it.
I know about this for as long you remember it, but that is not the issue,You have your priorities mixed,
My priorities today, terrarica, is nothing more than an accurate understanding of reality.Not many have this as a priority.
David.James Randy need to live in a haunted house for at least a month,and he will change his tune.
wakeup.
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