Psalms 2:7 this day i have begotten you!

[mikeboll64]

So if it is NOT the Spirit that is the son of God, then WHO EXACTLY WAS the Son of God through whom He created the ages?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Son was begotten at the Jordan.
The Spirit creates [ps 104]

[mikeboll64]

Read my question again, Nick. And then DIRECTLY ANSWER it if you can. If not, I will wait for others who are NOT AFRAID.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Can you not understand?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You already do not handle meat so I do not wish to add to your confusion.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2012,19:48)

Hi MB, No. But sonship is by sharing the Spirit. The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God-but first they must receive it

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that spirit is not the same spirit ,God his spirit but he himself his not the spirit that come out as his will ,

if Christ is his son then he is not his father ,or his father spirit ,because his father has his own spirit and so the son does as well,
and so do all the angels and the future sons of the kingdom they all have their own spirit but are all in agreement with Gods spirit of will ,wen we submit to God then this mean we are becoming in agreement with him and it is his spirit that overcome us ,not the other way around ,

and so after all is done their will be only one will,and so one spirit to follow GOD”S

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,20:04)

Hi MB, Can you not understand?

I understand that God created the universe through “His Son”.

Who was this “son” through whom God created the universe? Was the “spirit of Christ” God's “son” before the universe was created through this “son”?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Just as Jesus was known as the Christ from infancy so the Son created the universe.
The time concepts of God are very different to ours

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

The scripture says that the universe (ages) was created through the Son of God – the same Son God spoke through in these last days. If the Son through whom God spoke is Jesus, then the Son through whom God created the ages was Jesus.

I will accept the scriptures as they are. But you feel free to tinker around with them at will, okay.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
If your carnal reasoning is correct?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,18:49)

Hi MB, If your carnal reasoning is correct?

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this is the truth ,not carnal

[NickHassan]

Hit,
So you say.
But spiritual truths are nonsense to carnal minds.
1Cor2

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,19:26)

Hit, So you say. But spiritual truths are nonsense to carnal minds. 1Cor2

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SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE CARNAL MINDED AND SO DO NOT UNDERSTAND

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,18:49)

Hi MB, If your carnal reasoning is correct?

Why wouldn't my reasoning be correct, Nick? Do you have a SCRIPTURAL or SPIRITUAL reason to assume that when it says the universe was created through Son of God, it really wasn't?

[mikeboll64]

Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Indeed the Spirit creates.
There is only one creator and he works through the Spirit that is in his Son Jesus Christ.

[mikeboll64]

At least four different scriptural witnesses say that our one Creator worked through HIS SON – not “through the Spirit that is in his Son”.

Can you explain the discrepancy between what YOU say and what THE SCRIPTURES say?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Yes.
your failure to grasp the time concepts of God.

[mikeboll64]

So then you ADMIT that there ARE discrepancies between YOUR words and God's written word?

Hmmmmm…………………

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2012,12:52)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2012,18:49) Hi MB, If your carnal reasoning is correct? Why wouldn't my reasoning be correct, Nick?  Do you have a SCRIPTURAL or SPIRITUAL reason to assume that when it says the universe was created through Son of God, it really wasn't?

Hi MB,
It was.
But it was the Word, the Spirit, that became united to Jesus of Nazareth.

Staying in the simplistic view of men will only confuse you just as the Words of Jesus utterly baffled the jewish hearers.

He told them to eat his flesh and they were outta here.

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