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DavidH,
Try reading the verse you quoted with commas in the correct place as in the original greek doesn’t have commas
The AV of the KJV literally state the Lamb was slain from the beginning of the world while other versions claim that those that will be saved have had their names written in the book of life since the beginning of the world and that it is the book of the Lamb that has been slain. Comma use is not the issue but the order of words is. It may be a manuscript difference.
Do you believe the AV of the KJV and other versions that have the same general wording are wrong?
What does figurative, symbolic mean? the Father already had this idea of the lamb in place of sin. so therefore it had already been slain, from the foundation of the world, The literal conclusion of the old testament sacrificial lamb for sin was Jesus death and resurrection. yes he became the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. you (meaning a fair few here) are forever pulling things apart and analysing, there will come a time when all you have left to analyse is only skin and no substance. Put with other verses it becomes obvious it refers to the original lamb without blemish for Israels sin.
Hi DavidH,
Certainly an understanding of “the feasts of YHVH” give us the understanding that Jesus’ death was planned.
But the question of this thread is: did he have a spirit existence prior to his birth and I think there is.First the bible makes clear that the spirit of Christ came out from God. (ref. John 16:27)
But the bible also says “the spirit of Christ” pre-existed Jesus’ physical birth. (ref. 1Peter 1:10-11)
So when did the Spirit of Christ come out from God? It may have been when God breathed into Adam.Something to think about, huh?
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODLook again at this…
“Jesus answered and said unto them,
Though I bear record of myself (ref. 1Peter 1:10-11), yet my record is true:
for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true:
for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.” (John 8:14-16)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODed
I thought the same thing when summing up what others were saying, What did this have to do with the OP.
The risen by then glorified Jesus Christ who was human and died on the cross and raised to life and seen and touched by al. The same person says to a church in revelation to John. “I am the beginning of the creation of God”. KJV is closest to original Greek. In Jesus prayer to His Father in John 17, 5, Jesus asks for the glory he had with the father to be returned to him after its all over. A human praying as if he were pre existent with the Father, was he mad, delusional, or many on earth just ignore that verse.
For Trinitarians, The very same glorified Christ person in revelation says ” I am the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end” Why would the son of the Most high, The creator, say he has a beginning and end when he is believed to be co eternal with his father? go figure!!. Half truths are lies. So who got it wrong not Jesus, maybe many should be looking at their beleifs and not pull words apart to suit their finite minds. Bit of wisdom about constantly analysing, if you do it too much all you have let is the skin or shell and NO substance. Jesus prayer to Father in John 17 is very revealing to his and his Fathers character.
Jesus showed the same ‘abilities’ as his Father, changing water to wine, raising the dead, calming the elements. growing limbs, all signs of the creator. Being subject to His fathers will, in heaven now on earth. He chose to be subject. so his attributes did not get in the way of being human. His Father gave His blessing at Jesus baptism. The start of the world seeing the true character of this man.
I know many will contradict this writing. they will find truth if they truly search for it. I know who I pray to and who is my advocate/lawyer before Father. Do you all?
Hi DavidH
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little____________
God bless
Ed JYour vain conclusions can only give glory or otherwise to you.
They have no basis in truth
Nick,
What’s the use of saying that,
UNLESS YOU PIN POINT AT LEAST ONE WORD, OF WHAT YOU CONSIDER HAVE NO BASIS IN TRUTH, AND CONTRADICT ME BY WHAT YOU CONSIDER HAVE BASIS IN TRUTH!
THE MOST STUPID PERSON COULD DO THE SAME, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE GLORY OR OTHERWISE TO HIMSELF!
And FOR SURE, you are not a stupid person ARE YOU?
So give us some TRUTH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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(1)I thought the same thing when summing up what others were saying, (2)What did this have to do with the OP.
The risen by then glorified Jesus Christ who was human and died on the cross and raised to life and seen and touched by al. The same person says to a church in revelation to John. (3)“I am the beginning of the creation of God”. KJV is closest to original Greek. (4)In Jesus prayer to His Father in John 17, 5, Jesus asks for the glory he had with the father to be returned to him after its all over. A human praying as if he were pre existent with the Father, was he mad, delusional, or many on earth just ignore that verse.
For Trinitarians, The very same glorified Christ person in revelation says ” (5)I am the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end” Why would the son of the Most high, The creator, say he has a beginning and end when he is believed to be co eternal with his father? go figure!!. Half truths are lies. So who got it wrong not Jesus, maybe many should be looking at their beleifs and not pull words apart to suit their finite minds. Bit of wisdom about constantly analysing, if you do it too much all you have let is the skin or shell and NO substance. Jesus prayer to Father in John 17 is very revealing to his and his Fathers character.
(6)Jesus showed the same ‘abilities’ as his Father, changing water to wine, raising the dead, calming the elements. growing limbs, all signs of the creator. Being subject to His fathers will, in heaven now on earth. He chose to be subject. so his attributes did not get in the way of being human. His Father gave His blessing at Jesus baptism. The start of the world seeing the true character of this man.
I know many will contradict this writing. they will find truth if they truly search for it. I know who I pray to and who is my advocate/lawyer before Father. Do you all?
Hi DavidH,
1) Then you agree with the premise that the Spirit of Christ may have come out from God when God breathed into Adam?
2) My posts are not determined by what others write.Points labeled 3, 4, & 5 also support the premise of Point #1 – Yes?
6) A son is certainly “a chip off the old block” as they say.
Good to chat with you!
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God bless
Ed JDavid H,
What does figurative, symbolic mean? the Father already had this idea of the lamb in place of sin. so therefore it had already been slain, from the foundation of the world, The literal conclusion of the old testament sacrificial lamb for sin was Jesus death and resurrection. yes he became the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. you (meaning a fair few here) are forever pulling things apart and analysing, there will come a time when all you have left to analyse is only skin and no substance. Put with other verses it becomes obvious it refers to the original lamb without blemish for Israels sin.
I do analyze the words of Scripture but then we are taught to test the spirit of what we hear.
I was actually looking for your interpretation of the words.
I agree that Jesus was slain in prophecy from the foundation of the world. Some may use either the word “figurative” or “symbolic” instead of “prophetic”.
You understand but context that was not included in the passage that Jesus was not literal slain from the foundation of the world. A strictly monotheistic Jew hearing the clause “the Word was God” would understand that God was neither the identity of the Word and that God is not the condition of the Word because there is only one God and God is not a condition. The only option left is that God is the qualities of his Word. They would understand that because unwritten context. A pagan convert that imperfectly understood strict monotheism would instead have no difficulty at the idea there were two Gods as they were converted from a polytheistic religion.
My final is that the correct interpretation of Scripture can rely on unwritten context. As you pointed out that context may often be found in other places of Scripture. Some, like the third heaven, are based on teaching that existed in Judaism at the time that Paul wrote the letter that mentions it.
Just a quick question, an intentional sidelight,
based on an observation, Did the resurrected Jesus in his fleshly form before finally going to be by His Fathers side, have blood,? he told Thomas to put his hand in the side and the palms, but no blood was mentioned. and the slain lamb in the OT had to have the blood drained before offering. Just a thought
david H……..good point, did his body have blood or not, i believe it did, just as LAZRAUS BODY had after he was resurected. The onl difference is i believe, his body was mintained by the spirit of GOD, working in it. I believe that the term a natural body, means one sustained by a natural process of oxygen being inhaled and exhaled, while a spritual body is maintained by spirit. But both are a physical existing body. Maybeblood is not need in a spritual maintained body, JESUS SAID HIS RESURECTED BODY WAS FLESH AND BONE. Don’t know the answer for sure, but one thing, it is a physical body we are raised with, that is for sure. Imo
,peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
DavidH,
The end is cut short in order to save flesh and that is done for the elects sake. Some choose to interpret that fact as symbolic in order to interpret the clause that says “flesh and blood” cannot inherit the reign of God as being literal.
I instead choose to believe God will save the bodies of some in order to witness the coming of Jesus Christ and the rising of the dead. Only the elect will benefit as the body and soul of the wicked will be destroyed. The determinate evidence is that Jesus was raised in a flesh and bone body. I doubt the new body will be bloodless and the phrase “flesh and blood” is known to be a idiom of that time and this.
Here are two witnesses:
International Standard Version
Brothers, this is what I mean: Mortal bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.Weymouth New Testament
But this I tell you, brethren: our mortal bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, nor will what is perishable inherit what is imperishable.this book has some interesting things to say about the term flesh and bone.
Hi DavidH,
Did Jesus resurrected body have blood?
Jesus hands could have been fully healed with holes
still in them – and not have blood oozing from open woundsHere is something I’d like to share with you…
God’s name means:
[י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey
”Hand” .[color=blue]”Behold”[/color] .[color=blue]”Nail”[/color] .[color=blue]”Behold”[/color]The definitions of these four Hebrew letters of God’s name (tetragrammaton)
tie Jesus’ to YHVH in a way that most Christians have never been taught. “Selah”“But Zion said, [The LORD JEHOVAH] hath forsaken me, and my Lord [Jesus Christ] hath forgotten me.
Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea,
they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. BEHOLD, I have GRAVEN thee upon the PALMS of my HANDS;
thy walls (the walls of the “HolyCity”: ref. !sa 60:14 and Rev 21:2-3) are continually before me.”
(Isa 49:14-16)“Hand” .“Behold” .“Nail” .“Behold”
“Behold” “Graven” “Palms” Hands”________________
God bless
Ed J@DavidH,
No, I don’t believe that the resurrected body of Jesus has blood. His blood has been poured out. Why do you ask?Hi ED,
The Spirit of Christ is of power and miracles and prophecy etc.
None of these manifested in Adam.
Bad theory
Hi ED,
The Spirit of Christ is of power and miracles and prophecy etc.
None of these manifested in Adam.
Bad theory
Hi Nick,
Can you please tell us what you’re talking about?
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God bless
Ed J
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