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Hi Berean
Your right the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ.
Hi Anthony,
You create ‘a conundrum’ for yourself.
Let me illustrate the difficulty with that belief.
Who is “the Father of spirits” in the following verse:“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Hebrews 12:9)Who is “the Father of spirits”? (<–Please answer)
Note:
conundrum: a situation where there is no clear right answer or no good solutionEdj…..The spirit of the “Christos ” is the Spirit of God
Really Gene,
How did that get in their Anthony?
(Don’t worry I deleted it for you)4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)If not “the spirit of Christ”, then what Spirit is this…
“the spirit of his Son”?
Hi Edj
Its the same spirit that His Father gave Him. They have the same spirit, they are Father and Son . the spirit of God is the force and power of God. It’s like you think the spirit of God is the third person of the false trinity.
You always want to try to put people on defense and lead them in to a trap, what your doing is playing games with God’s Word.
God bless
Edj
Just because scriptures addresses the Father and the Son doesn’t make it two different spirits.what do you think two name’s two spirits, please.
There is only one spirit of God that the Father and Son have.
God bless
Edj……your problem is your not understanding that “exactly” as it is written, the spirit of Christ, is the Christos, the anointing Spirit of the Living GOD. Jesus the “anointed one” Had that spirit from God “in” him, so if you also have that “same” Spirit of God in you , it will produce “in” you the “exact” same thing it did in him. Get it? Maybe this will help you.
“if the Spirit of him (God) that raised Jesus from the dead “dwell “in” you, he (God) that raised Jesus from the dead shall “also” quicken you mortal “dead” body. That Spirit is the anointing Spirit of God, “the Christos of God”, that is how God is “in” a person.
Remember what Jesus said?, the Father is “in” me, how is God “in” the man Jesus? Through the Holy Spirit by way via the Anointing he recieved at the Jordan river. Also remember what Paul said to us, “know you not that you “body” is the temple of THE LIVING GOD?”
Edj….how is it you seem unable to put that together in you mind? Remember that scripture says, “there is “only’ one GOD and one “mediator ” between men and God, “THE MAN”, Jesus Christ.
Do you think you recieve two different Spirits one from God and then one from Jesus?, if you do then you are wrong the Spirit of the Christos is the Spirit of God, that works in “all” and through “all”, that have it “in” them. Just that simple nothing complicated about it, for those who know the truth. God subdues the whole creation to himself by his Holy Spirit. Just one God who is Spirit, working in all and through all things. You really need to come to understand that Edj.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi, all
READ THE CONFUSION OF Gene!
THE CHRISTOS OF GOD?????
ME: JESUS CHRIST GODMAN ON EARTH!
THE LORD OF GLORY 1CORINTHIANS 2:8
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi All
Read what Jodi said:
Scripture speaks of God’s sons, yes plural. In the OT all of Israel is called God’s son, and we read that God calls Solomon His son, and likewise Adam is said to be God’s son.
Jesus Christ is called not just God’s Son, but a Son of God whom is God’s “only begotten”. So there are Sons of God, but yet Jesus is said to be a Son who is called the “only begotten”.
God’s son Solomon received God’s Spirit of wisdom and understanding, and as well God gave him a largeness of heart. God’s Son Jesus was the ONLY mortal man to have received the full measure of the Spirit
Jodi there is a difference. Solomon had parents and the rest of Israel, king, prophets and so on.
Adam didn’t have parents or Eve they are 100% from God, Jodi where did they get their DNA??
The second and last Adam was made the same way as the first Adam was 100% from God. Joseph and Maty was the second Adams adopted parents. Simple.
God bless
Anthony……The word “only” has been deputies over and over for years, that scripture is best rendered as “uniquely begotten” Adam was also uniquely begotten by God and is also a Son of God, just as scripture says he was. JESUS was also unique also because how he was given life at birth, and was resurected back to life from the dead, the first of mankind to achieve a resurection from the dead and given eternal life. IF a person say begotten of God or Son of God, what difference is that, it is still God the has brought it all about , jesus seemed to think that his “God and our God and His Father and our Father was one and the same person, so if he said that his God And our God, his father and our Father was the exact same being, who are you to try to drive a wedge between us and Jesus his God and our God , his Father and our Father, you blind guides servants of Satan never comming to the truth. The “man” Jesus is the fulfillment of what God has in mind for “all of those he choses from mankind”.
But you people never stop Doing the work of Satan, trying desperately to make Jesus appear “different” preaching your “Doctrines of Seperation”, trying desperately to move Jesus away the rest of his human brothers and sisters. Void of the Spirit, twice dead, And don’t even know it?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Anthony said:
Adam didn’t have parents or Eve they are 100% from God, Jodi where did they get their DNA??
The second and last Adam was made the same way as the first Adam was 100% from God.
Joseph and Maty was the second Adams adopted parents. Simple.How did that get in their Anthony?
“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,
made of a woman” (Gal 4:4-7)Ed J said:
You said: And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and THE WOMAN,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)Anthony said:
He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the crossHi Anthony,
The bible says Jesus was “the seed of the woman” which you seem to agree with,
nowJesus was the seed of which “the woman”?
Anthony?
You are deliberately dodging my question in the other thread.Hi Edj
Its the same spirit that His Father gave Him. They have the same spirit, they are Father and Son . the spirit of God is the force and power of God. It’s like you think the spirit of God is the third person of the false trinity.
You always want to try to put people on defense and lead them in to a trap, what your doing is playing games with God’s Word.
God bless
Hi Anthony,
It is really instead you trying to divert attention away from the error in your belief.
You don’t answer my questions in another thread, and in this one you make accusations.“But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:
for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.” (Ephesians 5:13)You see Gene avoids answering my questions too, just like you Anthony.
Instead you both make speeches. As does Jodi – L-O-N-G – speechesAt least Jodi answers my questions in addition to her speeches. Yay for Jodi !!!!
EDJ……GO back a read the post 865076, I believe that answers you question clearly, if thats the question I think your talking about, if not please repost you question I answer it. Remember it’s not my fault you are unable to understand the answers, now is it? You haven’t posted anything to me I haven’t answered to my knowledge.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Berean…..Your belief that Jesus preexisted his birth on this earth is exactly what is tripping you and others here up, but it all is just part of Satan’s teachings, trying to make Jesus appear different the the rest of his human brothers and sisters. Can’t you see your being part of that deception? Repent , 2ths2.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Berean
Something to read.
The Gospels of Matthew and Luke record differing genealogies of Jesus. Matthew lists the royal lineage of Jesus through King David and the kings of Judah ending in Joseph, Jesus earthly father. Luke documents the lineage of Jesus from Adam to Mary, Joseph’s wife. The genealogies list the same people from Abraham to King David, but diverge with different descendants following King David. Matthew records the royal kingly lineage, as noted. But Luke’s record of Mary’s ancestors proceeds through David and Bathsheba’s older son, Nathan. His descendants are not as well known as the royal descendants of Matthew’s genealogy from King Solomon and beyond.
Every theologian and serious student of Scripture accepts the fact that Joseph’s royal lineage does not contribute any DNA to Jesus. Although this lineage is through the Kings of Judah, it does not end in Jesus, the Son of God. The genealogy ends at Joseph. Joseph adopted Jesus as His earthly father, so Joseph’s genealogy is credited to Jesus through adoption. That should not surprise anyone. God adopts all believers in Jesus Christ into His family
I’ll send more a little at a time. Look at these genealogy . ask God to help you.
You need not thatany man teach you. 1 John 2: 27
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
John 1: 14-15
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
God bless
Hi Berean
The disciples saw Christ’s Glory, in a vision on the Mount of Transfiuration, Matt. 17. Christ had existed as the Word aeons (age’s) before John the Baptist who testified to the fact. Jesus Christ did preexist, He was with the Father before. He was before all thing and all things was created for Him. Jesus Christ was there with His Father. They talk about a plan.
Around 6-3 B.C. the timehad come when God would move to save humankind from themselves and the death penailty for their SIN’S. God loved his potential Family, and wanted them all to have the opportunity to Live and God and His Son were prepared to pay an awesome price to achieve “Their Plan” . As dacided, God’s Plan was for the Word to relinquish His Power and position with the Father in Jeaven and become a man. God the Fayjet had caused His Son to form the first Adam made from the elements in the red earth, earthy as it says in 1 Corinthians 15. Take a look at this Scripture.
I’ll send more later some time.
God bless.
Hi Anthony,
YOU:
Jodi there is a difference. Solomon had parents and the rest of Israel, king, prophets and so on.
Adam didn’t have parents or Eve they are 100% from God, Jodi where did they get their DNA??
The second and last Adam was made the same way as the first Adam was 100% from God. Joseph and Maty was the second Adams adopted parents. Simple.
ME:
Prophecy was that FIRST you would have a son of David and THEN God would become a Father unto him. Also, prophecy was that FIRST you have a son of Jesse and THEN God anoints him with His Spirit and sends him out to do God’s work, and as John says, God gave him the Spirit not by measure. Also, prophecy was a virgin birth for a SIGN UNTO THE HOUSE OF DAVID concerning David’s promised son.
Secondly, you are given the BOOK OF THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS, the son of David the son of Abraham by Matthew, where Matthew genetically connects Jesus to David and Abraham through Joseph who was betrothed to Mary. Mathew goes further to speak of the number of generations (fathered by, men of the same stock) using that genetic lineage that includes Joseph going from Abraham to David to Jesus. Jesus a son of David through Joseph was born of a virgin just as was prophesied, where as we are told “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee”, and that is how she became pregnant with the son of David by Joseph’s genetics. Simple task for our Creator to perform.
Thirdly, as I gave on the other thread Acts 17 tells us that God made from one blood all nations of men. Jesus is then identified as the man ordained to judge where God gave us assurance by raising him from the dead, but some do not believe in the resurrection of THE DEAD. Jesus is of the one blood to whom all nations of men were created, and he is the first of these men to have been raised from the dead.
Yes Adam and Eve didn’t not have parents obviously as they were the first humans that YHVH created. YHVH created these humans and all subsequent humans to be able to reproduce their own kind, like other mammals that God had made. Yes Solomon, children of Israel, all except Adam and Eve had human parents, this INCLUDES JESUS. Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Mary, however he was brought forth through a SIGN of a virgin birth by the power God’s Holy Spirit. Jesus is called a human and a son of a human many many times. God established what makes a human, you need 23 chromosomes from each parent, and the male determines the sex of the baby.
Seriously, you and others need to stick to the purpose of the SIGN of the virgin birth given in scripture and NOT MAKE UP YOUR OWN.
You need to stick to God’s word of first and then.
You need to believe Matthew’s direct word that he was giving us exactly what he said he was, the genetic line of Abraham to Jesus, where Jesus is a biological son of David and Abraham being of the DNA of Joseph, where God combined his chromosomes with Mary’s egg through the power of God’s Spirit to cause the sign of a virgin birth.
Hi Anthony,
Prophecy was that of the SEED of David our savior would come forth.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:….38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
seed – SPERMA
Prophecy was that YHVH was going to be mindful of a mortal human and visit him. First you have the human and then YHVH visits him, where He MAKES this human a little lower than the elohiym, and crowns him with glory and honor and gives him dominion over the works of YHVH’s hands.
Psalm 8:4 What is man (enowsh -mortal man), that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man (adam/human), that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels (elohiym), and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Seriously, I don’t know why you and others refuse to stick to simple basic facts given in scripture as to that which is FIRST and that which comes after. All passages are only properly understood through this foundation.
Good Morning Anthony,
YOU:
Hi Berean
Your right the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Word or God. Scriptures says this plan and simple. I agree with you.
The Holy Spirit. Is not a person or part of the so call trinity.
ME:
Please address these passages, and these three points made from them.
#1. There is but ONE SPIRIT
#2. FIRST you have a human son of Jesse and THEN YHVH rests His Spirit upon him, called an ANOINTING
#3. FIRST God has TO ANOINT (Chrio) you, THEN you become THE ANOINTED (Christos)
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them,Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
Please recall scripture that directly tells you that the coming of our savior, who is of the seed of David, DIDN’T OCCUR UNTIL AFTER the baptism John preached (Acts 13:23-24).
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me TO PREACH the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek
Anthony, there is ONE SPIRIT, in the above Jesus is NOT YHVH nor is he the Spirit of YHVH, he is the son of Jesse to whom YHVH’s Spirit comes to abode upon him, such makes the WORD of YHVH made true in the flesh.
So not only does Jesus equate to YHVH’s WORD made true in him, but likewise Jesus is anointed to speak YHVH’S WORD. When we hear Jesus we aren’t hearing his word we are hearing the WORD of YHVH through Jesus. Furthermore, the WORD of YHVH was also that this son of Jesse and David would fulfill YHVH’s WORD, the promises that YHVH made before the world even began, the very reason to why YHVH made heaven and earth and all things in the first place.
You don’t seem to be applying at all the facts given in scripture as to WHY Jesus would be called The Word of God, instead you want to create some totally nonsensical mystery of Jesus existing as someone else’s spoken words, of which those words equate to the power and truth of the One Spirit that is of our One True God THE FATHER whose name is YHVH.
Reposted for Gene…
Edj…..The spirit of the “Christos ” is the Spirit of God
Really Gene,
4 “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” (Gal 4:4-7)If not “the spirit of Christ”, then what Spirit is…
“the spirit of his Son”?This time please answer Gene
Hi Berean
Your right the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ.
Hi Anthony,
You create ‘a conundrum’ for yourself.
Let me illustrate the difficulty with that belief.
Who is “the Father of spirits” in the following verse:“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Hebrews 12:9)Who is “the Father of spirits”? (<–Please answer)
Anthony?
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