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The word “freewill” is an OXYMORON, Because there is no such thing as a will that is free, or it simply would not be a will. A wills are the result of what is influencing it the most.
Hi Gene,
The bible is telling us we have something YOU are influenced to say we don’t have ???
“which are minded of their own freewill
to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee” (Ezra 7:13)Should we smudge this verse out of our bibles?
Better yet, what is influencing it the most here?Hi Jodi
You Just don’t understand that Jesus Christ couldn’t have dna from any Human being what so ever. Even Joseph and Mary. Gotta for Him to be just a man as you say, He would have been birth from Joseph and Mary. And He wasn’t. If He was He would have inherited Adam’s Sin like us all have. Which He didn’t. And if you want you can find all the scriptures that you want, it wouldn’t matter one I oter till you can see this. And I mean “see” meaning with your mind not with your eyes balls as TWW woul say. God bless.
Good Morning Ed J
The word freewill here means to volunteer, to give freely.
They are minded, volunteering to go up to Jerusalem with thee.
They don’t have to go, no one is making them go, if they choose they can volunteer to go.
Let’s say my Boss invited several people from my work including me to go to a leadership training, it was not required. I had freedom from my boss to choose if I wanted to go or not go. I chose not to go, that choice may have been given to me freely from my boss but it was not free in the sense that it was dependent upon what I held in my mind and the reasons formed within my brain. The decision I made came from my knowledge, past experiences and influences, and my body how I felt at that time.
I was tired and didn’t feel well that played a factor, I was not free my body was helping me decide.
My coworker who I really enjoy being around wasn’t going either, this also played a factor, it would have been fun to go if she were going. My choice was being influenced by someone else and my past experiences with this person.
The person giving the leadership training I had been to one of his trainings before and I didn’t think it was the greatest. If I had really loved this particular trainer I might have been more persuaded to go ahead and go.
This training was an overnight training, and if I went I would miss my daughters softball game, I really love watching my daughter play and being there to cheer her on. Because I love my daughter and enjoy watching her play that also played a major role in my decision.
When you make a CHOICE it is NOT FREE, it is based on your mind, your reasoning, you think about it, when you think about it you access how you are feeling, you retrieve memories, experiences, and opinions. If your choice was a product of freedom the choice you made wouldn’t have reasons behind it, it would be free from influences, circumstances that are out of your control. Factors affect our choices.
Jodi….right on, Edj has never understood that, a will is the product of what is influencing it the most. God does give us freedom to excercise our “influenced” wills, but there is nothing free about the will “itself”.
The term “FREEWILL” is indeed a OXYMORON., because no such thing exists.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Jodi I didn’t say He wasn’t birth by Mary im saying He didn’t have dna from and anything what so ever any biological connection to any human. There’s a different’s . Haven’t you been reading any of the post I’ve put up in the less 10 pages, give or take. If not how can you even know what I mean. God bless
Anthony moving Jesus away from our human likeness to him is exactly what all antichrists do. You seem to think human are born sinners, that is completely wrong, be become sinners a child becomes a sinner, when the effects of this world overtakes him, “remember what the apostle John said, ” for all that is in the world, the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh and the pride of life are “from” the world, and the world is passing away and the lusts with it.
You also have a very narrow view of mankind. But what does scripture say?, it does no agree with your views that’s for sure, in fact it ties us to the “exactness” of our lord, the anointed MAN JESUS.
Heb 2:6-11…..”But one in a certain place testified, saying what is man, that thou are mindful of him? that you visit him? 7 ..You made him a little lower then the angels; you crowned him (mankind) with glory and honour, and did set him (mankind) over the works of your hands; 8…you have put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ‘all’ things in subjection under him, (mankind he (God) Left nothing that is not put under him (mankind) . But “now” we see not yet “all things” under him (mankind). 9….But we see Jesus (another man) , who was made a little lower then the angels (like us) for the suffering of death , (now) crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10…..For it became him (GOD) , for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing “many” sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11….For “both” he that sanctifies and they who are sanctified are “all” of one; (kind), for this cause he is not ashamed to call them brethern.
Don’t just read it Anthony study it , you can not claim to be preaching the truth, and seperating Jesus from our exact likeness as human beings. This plainly shows what Jesus was, and is, he is tbe exact the same as we will be. He is flesh of our flesh and bone of our bone, as he is so shall we be. But you would rather move our lord and brother away from us, trying to make him different, and thereby demeaning his human sacfifice . That is exactly what Satan wants, he want all humanity to believe Jesus is different then they are, and that we could never overcome as he did. You have taken the bate, hook line and sinker, you are caught in Satan’s trap of decetion.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Anthony….If your post’s don’t agree with the scriptures I posted of Hebrews 2:6-11, there’s no reason anyone should believe them.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Anthony,
You said, “Jesus Christ did not inherit Adam’s sin”
Your doctrine is based on major error. I hope that you will hear me out.
YES Jesus did inherit Adam’s sin. This should be quite obvious since Adam’s sin BROUGHT DEATH to ALL human beings, and Jesus as a Son of Man, was able to DIE, and he was born under the bondage to the fear of death. He was also born under the law.
Jesus feared death.
Jesus was tempted through having weak flesh.
Jesus died.
All these things represent him as a son of Adam being given the curse that came to all men because of Adam. Temptation by weak mortal flesh, sweat, tears, pain, death all relate to Adam’s punishment that came to all men born on earth after him.
Baptism is for repentance and to be washed clean, to be cleansed of your sins. Fact, Jesus was baptized. Jesus was submerged in water and he came up cleansed, then the Spirit of YHWH descended upon him anointing him with His Spirit calling him to righteousness, holding his hand, keeping him, keeping his flesh from sin.
Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
This is when the Son of a human being, Jesus, was BORN of YHWH becoming God’s Son.
To fulfill all righteousness Jesus was baptized, where one repents their sins and are cleansed from their sins. He then had the Spirit of YHWH descend on him, given to him without measure, making him the only born mortal of YHWH’s Spirit that would then keep his flesh from sin.
In order to fulfill righteousness Jesus was baptized!! He was baptized and then filled with the Spirit, then he was sent out to be tempted a great temptation having to fast 40 days and 40 nights. He over came and then was sent out into the world. He was later tested, learning obedience by what he suffered leading to his death, the death of a Son of Man having been BORN with YHWH’s Spirit.
THE CHRIST lived without sin, once Jesus was anointed he lived without sin.
1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannotbe touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 Peter 1:knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
Anthony, it is THE CHRIST the anointing of a Son of Man that is significant. There is no such person as a begotten god, not prior to the earth being made, not prior to the anointing of Jesus. Jesus remaining without sin has everything to do with him being made THE CHRIST, where he had been BORN of God’s Spirit coming up out of the water, having been called to righteousness where he would be perfected.
God did not bring forth a begotten son god from Mary’s womb, Jesus was born as the promised Messiah, he would on a certain day become a Son, become the Christ. Our sins are not forgiven because of a baby begotten son god, our sins are forgiven because when Jesus was anointed with the Spirit becoming the Christ he was called to righteousness that calling led to his perfection making him the lamb without spot or blemish. The Christ saved us through his blood. The anointing at the river led to our redemption.
Anthony when did Jesus become the anointed meaning the Christ? Why would a begotten god need an anointing? Seriously this is why pre-existence or Jesus having been born a god from Mary makes no sense given these scriptures.
Jodi,
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Me: This means that the Messiah had no sin from conception. John the Baptist did.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Me: This means the Messiah had no sin and became the perfect sacrifice.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Me: Christ was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. How was he like sinful flesh? He was like sinful flesh in that he was flesh like we do but without sin. He had the spirit of God in him as his only spirit.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Me: How could Christ be baptized into his own death at Jordan when he hadn’t died yet.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Me: Christ became the son of God with the Word of God in him with the holy spirit as his only spirit. John’s baptism was one of repentance that Christ needed not do. He was fulfilling the requirements of the law.
Matt 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Me: you and Gene have presented the most blasphemous exposition of the son of God that I have ever read:
You claim that the son of God had sinned
You claim that the son of God did not have the spirit of God at birth.
You claim that the son of God did not have a glorified body like the angels have after he was glorified after his ascension into heaven. That he was a glorified flesh and bones.
The first Adam could have died before he sinned. But he would surely die if he disobeyed God by eating of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. Christ was genetically sound. He would not grow old and not withered. The son of man could die and did die because when he was crucified.
Question:
Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Answer:
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.
Me: All men have sin in their flesh except Christ. He was made directly of the seed of David supernaturally and so sin was not passed down to him.
Jodi, please explain
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
How was the Word which is God, made flesh?
Hi Gene
You said: Anthony….If you can’t see what we are saying, you simply are not yet born of the spirit of truth, and have fallen for the lies of fallen Christanity. I could say the same thing to you. What Do you think you are God final word here on Heavenet.net . Lol. Please or did you ask Jodi first. Gene If you think about this how can you even be save or led by Spirit if you believe that Jesus Christ was just a man, with dna from any human, think about it can man save man. (Adam) later
Hi Gene
“Wherefore [Paul says], as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” Romans 5:12 passed upon all men
Yes Gene even baby’s, sad but thank God He intends to save the whole world, everyone . A few right now in this age, (firstfruits) and ALL in the ages to come. Later
Hi Anthony,
When I said that Jesus was birthed by Mary I meant that Jesus was the son of Mary, not simply she gave birth to him, I didn’t word that correctly.
Fact Matthew writes about Jesus, the Jesus who died on the cross bringing him redemption.
He says of this Son of Man who sits at YHWH’s right hand who had been made anointed with the full measure of YHWH’s Spirit at the river, that his GENESIS was of David and Abraham.
Matthew 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Genealogy -Genesis source, origin
a book of one’s lineage, i.e. in which his ancestry or progeny are enumerated.Jesus was the OFFSPRING of David and Abraham and Joseph, of their DNA according to the WORD of God from Matthew.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Root -rhiza a root
that which like a root springs from a root, a sprout, shoot
metaph. offspring, progenyOffspring – genos
kindred
offspring
family
stock, tribe, nation
i.e. nationality or descent from a particular people
the aggregate of many individuals of the same nature, kind, sortHe was not the adoptive son of David, he was the genealogy (DNA), root, offspring, of David.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
fruit – karpos
fruit
the fruit of the trees, vines, of the fields
the fruit of one’s loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterityloins -osphus
the hip (loin)
to gird, gird about, the loins
a loin, the (two) loins
the place where the Hebrews thought the generative power (semen) residedJesus is the son of David of his DNA through Joseph.
We have Genealogy, Root, Offspring, and Fruit of HIS LOINS!!
Could it not be MORE CLEAR ANTHONY??
The virgin birth was a sign we are told from Isaiah a sign to let the tribe of Judah know that YHWH’s PROMISE still stands, that of the offspring of David there would be an eternal king.
Isaiah 7:5 Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, 6 Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal: 7 Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass… 13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
As previously stated Adam brought sin and death, Adam brought the bondage the fear of death and the temptation it creates. Jesus was born able to DIE, and he did DIE, and he was tempted. He was also baptized cleansed to fulfill all righteousness and then He received the Spirit being born of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Anthony , obvisely you have not “studied” the scriptures I quoted to you from Heb 2:6-11, that shows”clearly” our likeness to Jesus and his likeness to us. Again I say, you are of those that move Jesus away from his human brethern, that is “exactly’ what Satan wants. Make Jesus different so we can not “truly” relate with him. If you can’t agree with the scriptures of Heb 2:6-11, HOW CAN WE BELIEVE YOU ARE OF THE TRUTH?
Why don’t you tell us about those scriptures instead of skirt them, as if they arn’t even in our scriptures, is it because they completely go against your assumptions?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Anthony…..what makes you think those baby’s were sinners, because sin caused their deaths. They were not sinners, you remind me of the prison who thought the parents SINS were the cause of the mans blindness, but what did Jesus say, NEITHER HAS THIS MAN SINNED, NOR HIS PARENTS: BUT THAT THE WORKS OF GOD SHOULD BE MADE MANIFEST IN HIM, according to John 9:2
No one is a born sinner, we become sinners, because of what John said, “for all that is in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, the pride of life, is OF THE WORLD”. IT IS TRUE, SIN IS “IN” THE WORLD, but no one is a “born” sinner. To believe that is charging God of injustice. No Anthony we “become” sinners, we are not born sinners. Can you truly look a baby ànd honestly say he or she is a sinner?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene you said
Anthony…..what makes you think those baby’s were sinners, may be because of Romans 5:12. Gene for one. Later.
Gene apparently neither you or Jodi ready post’s since page 226 or some were around there in responsed to you and Jodi we’re posting I really don’t know what to say to you two or if it’s really worth it even. Do you want me to post the same thing again, wouldn’t it be easier to go back and read it,because I’m not. I’ll tell you again I can’t believe in your message, that Jesus is just man. Later
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