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TC….EZK 37:8-9 ….And wheni looked, lo, the sinews and the flesh come up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9…Then said he unto me Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy son of man, and say to t h e wind, thus saith the LORD GOD; come from the four winds, O breath upon these slain, that they may live.
Ezk 37:11 “Then he said unto me, Son of man theses bones are the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Now if they are the “WHOLE” house of Israel, then this must include the 144,000, SHOWN IN REVELATIONS ALSO.
JOB 19:25-26 ….For I know my redeemer lives, and he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26..and though my skin worms destory this body, yet “IN MY FLESH” shall I see God.
Job certainly believed he would be resurected with a body of FLESH.Rom 8:3….And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit the redemption of OUR BODY.
NOW concerning do spirits have bodies, JESUS answers this for us,
Luk 24:39…”Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me, and see; for a spirit has not “flesh and bone”, as you see I have”.
Now if we are to experience his reseruction, then we shall be as he was at his resurection. IMO
That glorified flesh and bone body could go through doors , vanish, rise up into the heavens and no telling what else it could do.
And as he said there is no spirit bodies, because spirits have no bodies, they live in bodies, as scriptures clearly show. Jesus orignial body did not see coruption, because he never sinned, “it” was raised in great power and he still has that same body to this very day, because it was not possiblfor him to see coruption in the grave,because he had no sin. What God gave him inthe beginning of his life he still has and it is greatly glorified with power and strength, and it is a body of flesh and bone.
That is the way i see it TC.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi TC,
Let the Spirit in scripture speak and listen.
You are far too keen to show us your understandings of individual verses.
But you are not the light that has come into the world so your opinions of scripture verses add nothing useful to truth.
TC,
Luke 1:52, most texts don’t have “in the spirit”.
Col 1:18. Jesus is the first from the dead to die no more. Several people have been raised from the dead, even before Jesus Christ, he also raised people from the dead, he wasn’t the first, just the first to die know more.
As well, people had holy spirit before Jesus, It wasn’t a new thing. Difference is, before Pentecost, it was spirit upon, not within, like we have today. God would choose who he gave it to, to bring about his will; and people would lose that spiritual connection if they sinned. Pentecost was when it was made available for everyone to receive holy spirit, God’s outpouring, and become permanently sealed – you don’t loose it because you didn’t pay for it, Christ Jesus did. (2Co 1:22, Eph 4:30)
After Pentecosts…
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Before Pentecost…
Exo 35:31 and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, and with knowledge of all kinds of work,
1Sa 11:6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly. (Saul lost the holy spirit because of his sin, he started getting guidance from familiar/devil spirits).
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (Prophetic of Jesus)
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Eze 11:5 And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.
Hi TC,
Let the Spirit in scripture speak and listen.
You are far too keen to show us your understandings of individual verses.
But you are not the light that has come into the world so your opinions of scripture verses add nothing useful to truth.
This is good advice Nick. Have you thought about adhering to it regarding this scripture?
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Hi T8,
Dig deeper.
Jn 17.14
I have given them Thy Word;
and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world ,
even as I am not of the world.
Hi Gene,
You Wrote:
TC….EZK 37:8-9 ….And when i looked, lo, the sinews and the flesh come up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9…Then said he unto me Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy son of man, and say to t h e wind, thus saith the LORD GOD; come from the four winds, O breath upon these slain, that they may live.
Ezk 37:11 “Then he said unto me, Son of man theses bones are the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Now if they are the “WHOLE” house of Israel, then this must include the 144,000, SHOWN IN REVELATIONS ALSO.Me:
Ezk 37:11 Lexicon: Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold they say, our bones are dried up and our hope is perished. We are completely cut off.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)Me: Whether you have the law or not, your conscience will convict you by the law written in your hearts.
Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.Me: Can you see the difference between Job and the house of Israel here. Job had faith that God would raise him up. No so with the whole house of Israel here. Their conscience shows them that they were not saved when they had died and said our “hope is perished” So the unsaved nation of Israel are those that are resurrected physically after the Messiah comes back with his saints. They are not like the 144,000 , along with Job, that are kings and priests of the first resurrection.
You:
JOB 19:25-26 ….For I know my redeemer lives, and he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26..and though my skin worms destory this body, yet “IN MY FLESH” shall I see God.
Job certainly believed he would be resurected with a body of FLESH.Me:
What flesh is Job addressing.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/job/19-26.htm
Click on the link above. Then click on 1920 above “yet in my flesh” . Body and person are alternative definitions that fit here. A body does not have to have human flesh.1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption….39 All flesh is not the same flesh:…40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial:
Me: The flesh with the life in the blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh:… 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be…40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial:… 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
Me: Job will have a body of celestial and not terrestrial. It will be of the same form but not of the substance of the terrestrial.
1 Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Me: click on the link below. Then click on 4152 above “spiritual” on the last line.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/15-44.htm
4152 pneumatikós (an adjective, derived from 4151 /pneúma, “spirit”) – spiritual; relating to the realm of spirit, i.e. the invisible sphere in which the Holy Spirit imparts faith, reveals Christ, etc.Me: Like I had mentioned before, a visible body is of the spirit, not the invisible spirit itself. I think you agree with this.
Hi Gene:
You:
Rom 8:3….And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit the redemption of OUR BODY. NOW concerning do spirits have bodies, JESUS answers this for us,
Luk 24:39…”Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me, and see; for a spirit has not “flesh and bone”, as you see I have”.
Now if we are to experience his resurrection, then we shall be as he was at his resurrection
1 Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
That glorified flesh and bone body could go through doors , vanish, rise up into the heavens and no telling what else it could do.Me: Christ was not glorified after he was resurrected from the grave. He was glorified after he ascended into heaven. I will show that below.
Christ could transfigure himself before he was resurrected. That is a greater feat than going through doors. Therefore, he could go through doors in his flesh and blood body. Christ had the holy spirit as his life force, not a soul like you and me.You: And as he said there is no spirit bodies, because spirits have no bodies, they live in bodies, as scriptures clearly show.
Me: Spirits exist in minds. And the spirit in minds give life to the bodies.
You: Jesus original body did not see corruption, because he never sinned, “it” was raised in great power and he still has that same body to this very day, because it was not possible for him to see corruption in the grave, because he had no sin. What God gave him in the beginning of his life he still has and it is greatly glorified with power and strength, and it is a body of flesh and bone.
Me:
2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Me: Christ was made a sin offering for us. The wages of sin is death. If you die, you corrupt.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Me: When after the dead was Christ glorified? The resurrection was the first step.
Acts 2:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Me: Christ received glory after he ascended into heaven. He was coroneted King and ruler by his father.
TC….Could Adam have lived forever and not have died in his èxisting body? GOD SAID HE COULD HAVE,had he eaten of the tree of life which was in the midst of the garden. So to say flesh and blood could not live for ever is simply not true. The death sentence came on them after they sinned , not before they did, HAD they not sinned they would still be alive today, in the bodis God originally gave them. Adam and Eve had spritually generated bodies, that brought them into existence. We have life in us from that same original life force, if we were given the tree of life we would not die just as God said they would not die if they ate of it.
I do agree that the body that dies and see corruption is not the new body, but the new body is an exact copy of the body it came from, just as a seed of corn generates a new body, but that body is not any different then the body it came from. For each seed has life in itsel to reproduce another exact DNA of itself.
Another thing i agree with is flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, no more them our houses we live in can inherit anything, but that which lives in that house sure can, and life is the spirit abiding in the house, even so with our bodies. There will be flesh and bone in the kingdom of God , even if they did not “inherit” it.
You say Jesus was not glorified by his resurection, i would disagree with that. I believe he certainly was, even glorified by his deciples greatly. To achieve the resurection to life itself is a great honor, ESPICALLY TO ETERNAL LIFE. IMO.
I really think the word Christ itself causes you as well as other some difficulty, be cause you lose site of what it means, Jesus is not “the christ himself”, he is the christ in this sense, MEANING (anointing of God’s spirit) GIVEN to him by the “anointing” process at the Jordan by John the Baptist. God himself is the Christo’s or the anointing spirit, not the man Jesus, Who was the “anointed one with that spirit going “in” him. The Christo’s OF GOD, was from eternity, not the man Jesus.
I think you already know that, but just for clarification, because modern translations leave off the definite artical “the” that proceeds that word, in the original Greek translations. It should not be read Jesus Christ, but Jesus “the” Christ, or even simpler Jesus the anointed one, which to me is the proper way to see Jesus.Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
TC….You did not show where Paul said there is only “one” flesh of man. I do agree with you about the new “body” is a spritually gernerated, flesh and bone body. I glad you see that brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Ed,
Indeed the Spirit of anointing is from eternity.
Yes Nick,
Indeed the Spirit of anointing came from eternity
to be birthed in Bethlehem as Micah 5:2 clearly states.____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
No Micah 5 does not say that.
And you struggle to find any supporting verses that do either.
Looks like a another dead end
Edj….Jesus is not the spirit of the anointing, that spirit came into him when he was anointed with it at the Jordan by John the baptist. And that eternal spirit was God the Father, and he lead Jesus out into the wildernes to be tested and then sent him out into the world to preach the kingdom of God.
Jesus himself is not the Holy Spirit that was abiding “in” him, the was the Holy Spirit of God the Father which can abide “iñ” us also. If you can’t see that, then the Jesus you see, is not the Jesus of scripure, but a different Jesus.
Nick understands that Edj, you on the other hand, have not come to see it yet, it appears.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi Gregory,
You Wrote:
TC,
Luke 1:52, most texts don’t have “in the spirit”.Me: You mean Luke 2:52. Nobody has in the spirit in their translations. But most have “in the spirit” for Luke 2:40. Only the King James and New King James have “in the spirit”. Not even the interlinear bible has it. I guess they felt that if you grow in wisdom and grace mightily, you must have the holy spirit to accompany this. Christ grew in the spirit is shown in the verse below.
Luke 1:80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
All the version have “waxed strong in the spirit” or something similar.
https://biblehub.com/luke/1-80.htm
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/1-80.htmYou: Col 1:18. Jesus is the first from the dead to die no more. Several people have been raised from the dead, even before Jesus Christ, he also raised people from the dead, he wasn’t the first, just the first to die know more.
Me: I never said otherwise.
You: As well, people had holy spirit before Jesus, It wasn’t a new thing. Difference is, before Pentecost, it was spirit upon, not within, like we have today.
Me: Quote from you: Page 517, post #833802
“Whether JB had holy spirit before being born, during gestation, or from (ek – out from) actual birth, probably not too critical in the whole scheme of things. Point is he had holy spirit before/at birth. Jesus however, received holy spirit upon being baptized by John. “Me: Here you said that the messiah had the holy spirit in him after John had the holy spirit in him. Therefore, John is one example of one that had the spirit in him before Pentecost.
Example 2:
Gal 2:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Me: Isaac was born of the spirit. He had the spirit of God in him.
Example 3
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Me: These received the holy spirit before Pentecost. The mind and heart of Christ was now in the holy spirit After Pentecost, Christ could dispense of the spirit mighty, for he was glorified.
Example 4:
1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Me: The prophets had the same holy spirit in them that Christ had in them.You Wrote:
Before Pentecost…
Exo 35:31 and he has filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, and with knowledge of all kinds of work,1Sa 11:6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly. (Saul lost the holy spirit because of his sin, he started getting guidance from familiar/devil spirits).
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (Prophetic of Jesus)
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Eze 11:5 And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.Me:
Isa 11: 1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Me: Just because the spirit of God rest upon one, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the spirit of God in him. Christ certainly had the spirit of God in him. And the spirit of God did rest upon him at Jordan.
You:
God would choose who he gave it to, to bring about his will; and people would lose that spiritual connection if they sinned. Pentecost was when it was made available for everyone to receive holy spirit, God’s outpouring, and become permanently sealed – you don’t loose it because you didn’t pay for it, Christ Jesus did. (2Co 1:22, Eph 4:30).Me:
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Me: No one could be saved before Christ had paid for our sins—not the prophets nor the New Testament church.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet _____ because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized (die with Christ) with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Me: The promise of the holy spirit was to be saved by Christ.
The rest of your rebuttals are transferred to “How the Lake of Fire and the Second Death Brings Salvation, page 8
Nick and Gene both,
I’m not trying to convince you of anything.
I’m simply showing you verses that don’t support your theory…
that the spirit of Christ is not (according to Nick and Gene) Jesus’ birthed spirit.Micah 5:2 is clearly makes two points:
1. the spirit of Christ preexisted Jesus birth
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2. the spirit of Christ was with Jesus at his birth IN BETHLEHEM.It’s that simple Guys. Your much long speeches don’t change Micah’s words
I choose to believe the prophet Micah over you, sorry Guys.But feel free to push your beliefs all you want,
except you Gene, because you don’t have “Free Will”____________
God bless
Ed JHi Nick and Gene,
Micah 5:2 is clearly makes two points:
1. the spirit of Christ preexisted Jesus birth
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2. the spirit of Christ was with Jesus at his birth IN BETHLEHEM.
____________________________________________________________________________1. Point #1’s second witness is 1 Peter 1:11.
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2. Point #2’s second witness showing us the spirit of Christ is born“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)
See also: Matthew 1:16 and Matthew 2:4
Sorry Guys, but I have to go with Scripture
over your opinions of what you think it means.____________
God bless
Ed JHi TC,
Yes that was a typo. Luke 2:40 does not contain “in the spirit”, neither do your other references, so cannot be used to argue that Jesus grew in the spirit.
Luke 1:80 is talking about John not Jesus. John was in the desert until his showing.
You said Jesus received anointing power at Jordan. Isn’t this the spirit? If it’s not, then your argument would be that he had holy spirit, but didn’t receive power until baptized. If it is, then your argument that he had it at birth collapses as well. Seems a little illogical, as do your other assertions/insertions.
You: Christ had grown mightily in the spirit (Luke 2:40, 52) before Jordan (Luke 3:22). How could the Messiah grow in the holy spirit if he wasn’t first begotten of it? What he received at Jordon was anointing power to do the will of his father in a powerful way and to die for our sins in the end
As for… “The rest of your rebuttals are transferred to “How the Lake of Fire and the Second Death Brings Salvation, page 8”. Not a clue as to what you are talking about or as to how this was deduced. People had holy spirit in the OT before Christ, just do a word study on the ruach/spirit, and/or read the verses I posted. They had spirit upon but were not born again, that wasn’t available until Pentecost.
Maybe I should have been more clear. Spirit upon, OT spirit-before Pentecost, isn’t like spirit up..on, juxtapose spirit within, but rather upon conditions. It came and went conditionally. Today it PERMANENTLY dwells within. When the Word of the Lord came to prophets, that was the spirit giving word of wisdom, word of knowledge, as were all other manifestations given; minus speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues.
Hi Edj
You:
Micah 5:2 is clearly makes two points:
1. the spirit of Christ preexisted Jesus birth
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2. the spirit of Christ was with Jesus at his birth IN BETHLEHEM.Me:
You are relying on Mich 5:2 almost soley for the definition of the word 5769. olam that was translated here wrongly as everlasting. Read on the top of page 517. None of the other scriptures use of the word “5769. olam” in the phrase “from eternity” but “from old”. Christ was in the bosom of God. He did not exists in our reality until 2.000 years ago. How can he be the bosom of God and be independently separated from God.1 Tim 6:14 …Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Cor 15:23 …Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Me: Christ will rule the earth, but in the end hand it over rulership to his father, who alone has eternal life. That goes both ways, backward and forward. Christ has no end from his birth. So, only his father has no beginning.
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (heart) shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet ____because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Me:These verses plainly show that the spirit that is in Christ is the holy spirit. He is the human mind and spirit in the holy spirit.
Point #1’s second witness is 1 Peter 1:11.
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Me:1 Peter 1:1 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Me: Notice that in verse 12, it is the holy spirit that preached or taught the things of God. It is that same holy spirit in vs 1 that testified of Christ.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Me: There is one spirit that saves us, not two. For the heart and soul of Christ is in the spirit of God. His sacrifice saves us though the baptism of the spirit.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.Me: The spirit of God in vs 9a is the spirit of Christ in vs 9b.
You:
Point #2’s second witness showing us the spirit of Christ is born
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)
Me:
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Me: This does not disprove the spirit of Christ is the spirit of God at all.
You:
See also: Matthew 1:16 and Matthew 2:4
Sorry Guys, but I have to go with Scripture
over your opinions of what you think it means.Me:
Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Matt 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
Me: I do not see the relevance of Mark 1:16 and Matt 2:4 to the question of whether or not Christ or his spirit existed eternally.
Gregory.
You wrote:
Yes that was a typo. Luke 2:40 does not contain “in the spirit”, neither do your other references, so cannot be used to argue that Jesus grew in the spirit.
Luke 1:80 is talking about John not Jesus. John was in the desert until his showing.Me: I was wrong about Luke 1:80. It does refer to John.
Luke 2:40 (NASB) The Child continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
Me: Are you going to tell me that the Messiah increase powerfully in wisdom and grace without the spirit of God in him?
Luke 2:52 (NASB) And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
Matt 3:17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Me:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/3-17.htm
2106 (eudokēsa)“the beloved whom I was well please”.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/17-5.htm
2106 (eudokēsa)“the beloved whom I am well pleased”.Me: Christ no more got baptized with the holy spirit in Matt 3:17 than in Matt 17:5.
Gregory,
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Me: The baptism of John did not result in receiving the spirit of God. It was a baptism of repentance. Now how can you say that Christ received the baptism of the holy spirit? It was after Christ became the supreme sacrifice and had ascendant into heaven that one could be baptized with the holy spirit.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Me: Had Christ died already before he was baptized by John? We are baptized into Christ’s death, not Christ was baptized into his own death. Your exigencies are totally absurd.
Matt 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Me: Christ did not need to be baptized at Jordan to receive the holy spirit. John needed to be baptized by Christ with the holy spirit. But this did not happen until Pentecost.
John 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
Me: So you’re saying that Christ did not have the spirit of God until Jordan, but that John the Baptist did, and yet John the Baptist considered Christ much preferred them himself. Be real.
You:
You said Jesus received anointing power at Jordan. Isn’t this the spirit?
Me: Of course not. You do not receive the holy spirit by John’s baptism. Christ received the holy spirit as the only one of kind son of God. In other words we are the sons of God by adoption, Christ was the son of God at conception. We bond with Christ and become sons of God through him.
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Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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