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You didn’t read them scriptures Gene go back read them slower you can’t see that. Here it is again
Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”(John 17:5). This passage alone is sufficient to show that the Scripture supports Jesus’ pre-existence God bless Anthony
Gene your the one twisting scriptures not me. You just can’t see that your bli ded by your doctorine. God bless . Oneore time:
Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”(John 17:5)
Gene one more time
Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”(John 17:5)
God bless Gene you’ll get it after awhile hang in there.
Gene it takes time to grow up. Pull your boot straps up, pull your chest out, pull your Chin up. You can do it I’m praying for you, and trying to just trying to give you plan, simple scriptures. God bless.
Gene alot of your other scriptures really don’t have to much to do with if Jesus pre-existed or not. I gave you one scripture that show that Jesus did pre-existed God bless Gene.
Hi Anthony,
Do you not yet understand that the Spirit spoke through the anointed man Jesus?
Why do you attribute the words of the Spirit to the vessel?
Word for thought:
Adoptionism claims that, before His adoption, (at His baptism) Jesus was a mere man, although sinless. However, we know, biblically, that all men are under the curse of Adam and there are no sinless men. Romans 5:12-14 Further, no man can be justified by works of the Law
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. (Jesus Christ) God bless. Anthony
Hi Anthony,
In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.
This speaks of the Spirit, not any human.
Hi Anthony,
Jesus was born of woman, born under the law.
No flesh can be JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW.
Jesus was not justified by the works of the law but by FAITH.
Knowing that his Father is faithful and the Law is spiritual it was his food.
He was washed by the Word and found clean at the Jordan he was baptised in the Spirit
Hi Nick really doesn’t matter it the spirit was speaking to the anointed man Jesus as you said what really does that have to do if Jesus Christ pre-existed or not.
Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”(John 17:5)
Hi Anthony,
The Word he was anointed with was from God and with God in the beginning.
Then the Word was made flesh at the Jordan.
Listen to the Spirit in him.
Yes God was his real Father.
Hi Anthony,
Jesus did not preexist.
He was conceived of Mary in her womb.
That thought came from the minds of those who cannot hear the Spirit.
Hi Anthony,
So the pharisees, who did not walk in the ways of God and so were not baptised by John, were unable to hear the Spirit speaking through the man Jesus.
Do not follow them.
Nick you believe like early Jewish christian believed and the Gnostic
They believed the same way you do about Jesus Christ:
Adoptionism claims that, before His adoption, (at His baptism) Jesus was a mere man, although sinless. However, we know, biblically, that all men are under the curse of Adam and there are no sinless men. Romans 5:12-14 Further, no man can be justified by works of the Law Nick if He was just a man He would have sin but He didn’t. God bless
Hi Anthony,
Why are you confused?
Do you not believe he was a man conceived in Mary?
Do you not believe he fully obeyed the Law of faith, not just works, and was cleansed by it?
Do you not believe the Law was fair and effective ?
Or do you really believe he was a god who did not need to be cleansed?
Anthony , yes no man can be justified by works (of law) not by the works of “the law. That another trinitarian corruption of scriptures, just check it ou from ORIGINAL Greek translation.
What you have to understand is the way “law” works, it works through “forced compliance” much like our speed laws work, it you violate them you are punished, that how law works, but even though you obey them because of the fear of the consequences for breaking them, that does not make you heart right now does it. Ex 20:20, ‘the fear of him be before your eyes ‘that you sin not”. Get it old covenant law worked that way, but the new covenant works different, “i shall take out of you the stony (hard) heart and give you a heart of flesh (soft heart).
That is why we are not justified (made right in the eyes of God), by the way (law works).
“And now father glorify me in you presence with the glory i had with you before the world began”
Jesus had that “prophecied” glory even before the creation of the world, it was GOD THE FATHERS intention right from the start of creation.
ROM 8:29-30….For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed tp the image of his son, that he might be the firstborn (into the kingdom of God) among (MANY) brethern.
30…, Moreover whom he did predestinate, them also he called: and whom he called, themhe also justified: and whom he justified, them he also (GLORIFIED).God the Father (Glorified) Jesus, he also will (Glorify) us also.
Anthony you haven’t a clue what you are saying here, YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD.
BY THE WAY, the Gnostic’s “at the time of JESUS, TAUGHT T H E SAME MESSAGE YOU ARE NOW TEACHIN, GO look it up, i am not taking about modern Gnostic’s of today. but those at the time of the apostles John and Paul. Check it out for your self , the teach exactly what you people teach today. The taught of a preexistent JESUS AS A GOD M WHO CAMR FROM THE PELORA OF THE GOD’S.
Peace and love to you and yours. …gene
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