Preexistence

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  • #811469
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    That’s right Ed J. We do not know for sure, but we trust that the scriptures are sure.

    #811470
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Yes you cannot see anything as prophetic but think it must all be in the NOW.

    Wait till the morning star rises in your heart.

    #811471
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you realise that this means all references to Jesus Christ refer to the Spirit of Christ?

    Hi Nick,

    Even Micah 5:2 ?

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #811472
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Jesus was not mentioned by name in Micah 5 was he?

    We are of the NEW CREATION IN CHRIST

    2Cor 5

    Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things have passed away; behold new things have come.

    #811473
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    You see clearly but others only through a glass darkly?

    Hmmm

    #811474
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you realise that this means all references to Jesus Christ refer to the Spirit of Christ?

    Hi Nick,

    Even Micah 5:2 ?

    Hi ED,

    Jesus was not mentioned by name in Micah 5 was he?

    Hi Nick,

    Who is the “HE” in Micah 5:2 referring to?

    “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
    yet out of thee shall “HE” come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
    whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)

    (Simple question Nick)

    #811475
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    You see clearly but others only through a glass darkly?

    Hmmm

    Hi Nick,

    Me and T8 see “face to face” – do we not? y/n
    (Remember “I don’t know” is also an acceptable answer)

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #811485
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Your ideas that he was anointed previous to his anointing are only your doctrinal justifications.

    Find it written first.

    The Pharisees taught that there was a resurrection of the dead but the Sadducee it was not written. Did Jesus testify the implied or written teaching was correct?

    It is implied Jesus had walked according to the Spirit from the time he was first tempted by evil because that is what is fruit reveals.

    Do you believe Jesus was wrong when he claimed you would know them by their fruit or do you believe he sinned?

    #811486
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED.

    Jesus Christ is to rule the earth.

     

    #811487
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Please forgive the poor grammar in that last question as it is not meant to be a yes and no question even though I phrased it that way. It is not coming to me how to rephrase to say what I actually mean. Please answer the intent and not the letter. Thank you!

    #811488
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    No, the human spirit is not unified some have a proud spirit while others have a humble spirit. The most common unity is its unity to the spirit of the Evil one.Some have become children of God.

    If I had children I would like their spirit to unified with mine as I am unified with God.

    #811489
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    It is not about you.

    But I concur that you and t8 agree -because you cannot see spiritually.

    #811491
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Mich 5.2

    “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
    yet out of thee shall “HE” come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
    whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)

    Out of Bethlehem came the one destined to be ruler, Jesus Christ.

     

    Of course it is spiritual and takes the long view.

    First the vessel was born and 30 years later into the vessel at the Jordan God poured the Spirit.

     

    #811492
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The Pharisees taught that there was a resurrection of the dead but the Sadducee it was not written. Did Jesus testify the implied or written teaching was correct?

    It is implied Jesus had walked according to the Spirit from the time he was first tempted by evil because that is what is fruit reveals.

    Do you believe Jesus was wrong when he claimed you would know them by their fruit or do you believe he sinned?

     

    The whole of scripture pointed to the salvation God was to offer.  Job knew he would be yet be alive after death. The prophets understood by the Spirit of Christ in them some of the plan of God. The sign of Jonah was shown by Jesus to be predictive of his resurrection but not recognised before this.

    Jesus obeyed the Law and overcame temptation by the grace of God.

    By their fruit those who walk by the Spirit of holiness can be recognised. Obedience to the law was always possible in the grace of God and does not assume any form of anointing.

    #811512
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Obedience to the law was always possible in the grace of God and does not assume any form of anointing.

    Your are missing the point of Paul’s teaching to the Romans that is summed up with his words:

    English Standard Version
    For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

    Romans 7:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    #811517
    Ed J
    Participant

    Out of Bethlehem came the one destined to be ruler, Jesus Christ.

    Hi Nick, yes.

    …and who is this last part of the same verse referring to? …

    whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” (Micah 5:2)

    #811520
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ed,

    Yes neatly tied into the one prophecy is the Spirit that anointed him at the Jordan.

    #811534
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The whole of scripture pointed to the salvation God was to offer. Job knew he would be yet be alive after death.

    I tend to think Job 19:26 is speaking of the resurrection but there is a debate whether ū·mib·bə·śā·rî should be translated to “in my flesh” or “from my flesh”. If the earlier then is could be that John was referring to it when he spoke of Jesus Christ existing in the flesh.

    The translations reveal bias on the side of the translators as in Job 19:22 where there is no dispute in the doctrine of resurrection there is more consistency in translating.

    The bottom line is that it is not clear today and in accordance to the view of the Sadducees it was not clear in the version they used either. Jesus chose not to consult it but used one where it was implied.

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    #811536
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Did you see my post of how and how not the spirit of a human son is connected to their father’s spirit. They are connected only to the point they follow the same desires.

    #811537
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Which just goes to show that those who try to find truth via their intellect will always miss what is spiritual.

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