Preexistence

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:15)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:05) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:03) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,12:44) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,19:18) Hi Mike, 1 John 1:1-3 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Chris Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj 1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete. 1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. why is it that you have to change scriptures to mean what you like or wish to see Pierre, Scripture has been CHANGED LONG AGO by Trinitarian translators! F I know ,but they could not change the message Pierre, Yes, they also changed the message by not properly translating, by adding to and in turn taking away from Father Yahweh inspired prophetic word. This is why we are warned in Scripture not to add unto nor take away from Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word. He [Shaul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction (2 Kepha [Peter] 3:16

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you are mixing THE WORD with the words spoken or written

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message

Pierre,

Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:17)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:15) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:05) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:03) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,12:44) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,19:18) Hi Mike, 1 John 1:1-3 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Chris Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj 1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 1Jn 1:2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete. 1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. why is it that you have to change scriptures to mean what you like or wish to see Pierre, Scripture has been CHANGED LONG AGO by Trinitarian translators! F I know ,but they could not change the message Pierre, Yes, they also changed the message by not properly translating, by adding to and in turn taking away from Father Yahweh inspired prophetic word. This is why we are warned in Scripture not to add unto nor take away from Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word. He [Shaul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction (2 Kepha [Peter] 3:16 F you are mixing THE WORD  with  the words spoken or written

Pierre,

You are the one who believes that Father Yahweh's word is a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning, not I.

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations.

F

this is not so in the message

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 27 2012,20:05)

Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being!

Okay Frank.

Since you seem so certain about this, surely you will be able to tell us which “Word of life” the disciples actually handled with their own hands.

John said this life was “manifested”, and they had “seen” it and “touched” it with their own hands.

About which “Word” do they speak?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:22)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations. F this is not so in the message

Pierre,

Sure it is! You just refuse to see it!

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:22) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations. F this is not so in the message Pierre, Sure it is! You just refuse to see it!

F

show me in scriptures ,or re phrase your question ok ?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:26)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 27 2012,20:05) Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! Okay Frank. Since you seem so certain about this, surely you will be able to tell us which “Word of life” the disciples actually handled with their own hands. John said this life was “manifested”, and they had “seen” it and “touched” it with their own hands. About which “Word” do they speak?

Mike,

Father Yahweh's word is life for those who actually obey His word! The word 'manifest' means 'MADE KNOWN' or 'REVEALED'. It was Yahshua himself who made known or revealed Father Yahweh's prophetic word unto the men that He gave him from the world. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. Father Yahweh's word is not a separate being that existed along side of Him in the beginning! To believe this is nothing but pure foolishness!

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:29)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:22) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations. F this is not so in the message Pierre, Sure it is! You just refuse to see it! F show me in scriptures ,or re phrase your question ok ?

Pierre,

I never asked you a question!

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:35)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:29) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:22) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations. F this is not so in the message Pierre, Sure it is! You just refuse to see it! F show me in scriptures ,or re phrase your question ok ? Pierre, I never asked you a question!

F

ok, so you did not ,so big deal ,but you did not answer mine

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:37)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:35) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:29) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:22) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations. F this is not so in the message Pierre, Sure it is! You just refuse to see it! F show me in scriptures ,or re phrase your question ok ? Pierre, I never asked you a question!   F ok, so you did not ,so big deal ,but you did not answer mine

Pierre,

I have answered all of your questions THOROUGHLY! You just refuse to take note of them!

The following is an excerpt from my web page which follows this excerpt:

The Holy Spirit is referred to as he and him in translation. This is also true of common tools, etc. “Then said Yahshua unto him, Put up again thy sword into, his place, for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword” (Mattithyah [Matthew] 26:52; also cf. Yechetzqyah [Ezekiel] 21:3-5, 30). The word 'house' is personified in translation in Yeremyah [Jeremiah] 22:14. The word 'ordinance' is personified in translation in Exodus 13:10. The word 'patience' is given a female personification in translation in Yaaqob [James] 1:4. The word 'wisdom' is also given a female personification in Proverbs 1:20; 9:1 & 31:26.

The Holy Spirit Is An It!
The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being!
Father Yahweh's Word Is Also An It!
Father Yahweh's Word Is Also Not A Person Or A Being!

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 27 2012,20:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:26) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 27 2012,20:05) Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! Okay Frank. Since you seem so certain about this, surely you will be able to tell us which “Word of life” the disciples actually handled with their own hands. John said this life was “manifested”, and they had “seen” it and “touched” it with their own hands. About which “Word” do they speak? Mike, Father Yahweh's word is life for those who actually obey His word! The word 'manifest' means 'MADE KNOWN' or 'REVEALED'. It was Yahshua himself who made known or revealed Father Yahweh's prophetic word unto the men that He gave him from the world. Yahshua is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes perfectly clear. Father Yahweh's word is not a separate being that existed along side of Him in the beginning! To believe this is nothing but pure foolishness!

Frank,

In what way did the disciples of Jesus SEE this Word? In what way did they TOUCH it with their own hands?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:26)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 27 2012,20:05) Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! Okay Frank. Since you seem so certain about this, surely you will be able to tell us which “Word of life” the disciples actually handled with their own hands. John said this life was “manifested”, and they had “seen” it and “touched” it with their own hands. About which “Word” do they speak?

Mike,

Was not Yahshua handed the scroll of Isayah? Did not the Bereans search the Scripture daily?

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Shaul said was true.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,13:26)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 27 2012,20:05) Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! Okay Frank. Since you seem so certain about this, surely you will be able to tell us which “Word of life” the disciples actually handled with their own hands. John said this life was “manifested”, and they had “seen” it and “touched” it with their own hands. About which “Word” do they speak?

Hi Mike,

“The Word” of life is “The Spirit” of life. (see John 6:63)
They handled the word of life by giving it to others.

“What? came the word of God out from you?
or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:45)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:37) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:35) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:29) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:27) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:22) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:13) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 28 2012,20:05) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,13:01) F Quote The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! that is correct Pierre, And Father Yahweh's word is also Not A Person Or A Being! F that is not correct,because it is in the message Pierre, Father Yahweh's set apart [“holy”] spirit is also personified in Trinitarian translations just as His word is also personified in Trinitarian translations. F this is not so in the message Pierre, Sure it is! You just refuse to see it! F show me in scriptures ,or re phrase your question ok ? Pierre, I never asked you a question!   F ok, so you did not ,so big deal ,but you did not answer mine   Pierre, I have answered all of your questions THOROUGHLY! You just refuse to take note of them! The following is an excerpt from my web page which follows this excerpt: The Holy Spirit is referred to as he and him in translation. This is also true of common tools, etc. “Then said Yahshua unto him, Put up again thy sword into, his place, for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword” (Mattithyah [Matthew] 26:52; also cf. Yechetzqyah [Ezekiel] 21:3-5, 30). The word 'house' is personified in translation in Yeremyah [Jeremiah] 22:14. The word 'ordinance' is personified in translation in Exodus 13:10. The word 'patience' is given a female personification in translation in Yaaqob [James] 1:4. The word 'wisdom' is also given a female personification in Proverbs 1:20; 9:1 & 31:26. The Holy Spirit Is An It! The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person Or A Being! Father Yahweh's Word Is Also An It! Father Yahweh's Word Is Also Not A Person Or A Being!

F

you are now try to get me in grammar in a multi language study,

but I ask you just a few scriptures not a live long study of pebbles,

do you know what his the message that we have to believe in

so that we can be saved by

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca………Go back and reread what Frank has posted with an OPEN MIND this time. God was not dealing with Man through a Morphed Angels or any thing else, But a Man from Mankind . Jesus is a Man from Mankind who GOD perfected and Established by this POWER through His Anointing Spirit he gave him on this earth. Jesus is the First man to become a So of the Living GOD from among mankind, the first of “MANY” Brothers of His. Who will also be the first fruits of the resurrections. No complications needed , Pierre, not “MYSTERY RELIGIOUS” False teaching need either. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 29 2012,06:52)

Terricca………Go back and reread what Frank has posted with an OPEN MIND this time.  God was not dealing with Man through a Morphed Angels or any thing else, But a Man from Mankind . Jesus is a Man from Mankind who GOD perfected and Established by this POWER through His Anointing Spirit he gave him on this earth. Jesus is the First man to become a So of the Living GOD from among mankind, the first of “MANY” Brothers of His. Who will also be the first fruits of the resurrections. No complications needed , Pierre, not “MYSTERY RELIGIOUS” False teaching need either. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene

gene

you have failed to understand the message of God ,this I can not help so his Frank ,

understand this what is in your heart you put it there no one else

and faith is needed to understand the message but the message can only be understood by true faith ,(pure heart)

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Plus Socrates?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2012,13:49)

Hi T, Plus Socrates?

N

your funny

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No serious.
The greeks love their human wisdom and it is a great barrier to grasping the wisdom of God.[1cor2]

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