Preexistence

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2012,20:48)

Hi MB, Prophecy. No anointing by the Holy Spirit is recorded till the Jordan.

And no anointing by the Holy Spirit was recorded for Saul until AFTER he was ALREADY the anointed one of God.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,13:52)

Luke 2 10 Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. 11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. David, just focus on that one passage for a while.  This was spoken by an angel of God the very day Jesus was born.  It was not spoken of a past event from a future time.  It was not spoken after the Jordan from a standpoint of looking back in time. peace

Mike………The angel was just relating to them that Jesus was the Messiah promised to come. He was not say Jesus was already anointed , that simply is not true Jesus was not anointed until he was anointed at the Jordan river by John the Baptist come on you should know that, it was after that the “Holy” Spirit started leading Him and (IT) took him into the wilderness to be tested 40 day and Nights. None of this happened before this baptism took place there is not one place that say he was sent out into the world to preach the kingdom of God until that Jordan baptism took place. You can not produce one scripture that show different.

God had planned for Jesus to come into existence from the beginning of Genesis Jesus was God fulfilled Promise to the Human Race and Man Fromm the human Race perfected By GOD and was the First of “MANY” Brother of His to be raised from the Grave.

Mike you need to drop all those false teaching that has brain washed you for so long brother, and realize Jesus was a ordinary human being from humanity that God planed to come. Sin came By MAN and it was eradicated BY a MAN Jesus “THE” Christos or anointed ONE or Messiah. OUR brother A FELLOW HUMAN BEING from HUMANITY Mike.

See how all this “PREEXISTENCE stuff has distorted your perceptions of Jesus and the Anointing that was on him from God. Notice how you distance Jesus from my your Identity with Him making him different then we all are. Pay attention and notice how subtitle it works in you mind moving Jesus away from yourself so you can;t relate with him on a one to one bases.

Think about this Mike.

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,13:53)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2012,20:48) Hi MB, Prophecy. No anointing by the Holy Spirit is recorded till the Jordan. And no anointing by the Holy Spirit was recorded for Saul until AFTER he was ALREADY the anointed one of God.

Hi MB,
Unsure of what you mean here.

Saul was said by the Spirit in Ananias to be a CHOSEN VESSEL
Acts 9.15

That is all we are-chosen VESSELS [2Tim 2.20f]

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Why do you highlight the flesh vessel??

[Frank4YAHWEH]

By Yahweh's word, the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth (Psalm 33:6 – W.E.B.)

[Frank4YAHWEH]

This says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and He that formed you from the womb, I am Yahweh that makes all things; that stretches forth the heavens ALONE; that spreads abroad the earth BY MYSELF; … (Isayah 44:24)

You, even You, are Yahweh ALONE; You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and You preserve them all; and the host of heaven worships You (Nehemyah 9:6).

[NickHassan]

Hi,
And if you know the Spirit of Christ is of and one with God in the Spirit you can understand how Christ is said to have created.

In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2012,07:32)

Hi, And if you know the Spirit of Christ is of and one with God in the Spirit you can understand how Christ is said to have created. In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God

Nick,

Yahshua Messiah is never once recorded as proclaiming that he had created ANYTHING!

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 17 2012,13:18)

………The angel was just relating to them that Jesus was the Messiah promised to come. He was not say Jesus was already anointed , that simply is not true Jesus was not anointed until he was anointed at the Jordan river

Gene,

If Jesus was just a regular old, non spirit-filled schmuck like the rest of us, why did John say it was Jesus who should be baptzing him, instead of the other way around?

You and Nick can add your own imaginations into the scriptures by claiming the angel was speaking prophetically if you want to. As for me, I will believe the scriptures without such imaginary additions.

Btw, “anointed one” refers to one set aside by God for a specific purpose. Surely Jesus was set asided for his purpose long before God gave him the Spirit without limit. Surely God didn't choose Jesus out of the blue on the day of his baptism. Jesus was set aside for the purpose of teaching and being a sacrificial Lamb from before the time God sent him into the world to be born of Mary.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,13:29)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,13:53) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2012,20:48) Hi MB, Prophecy. No anointing by the Holy Spirit is recorded till the Jordan. And no anointing by the Holy Spirit was recorded for Saul until AFTER he was ALREADY the anointed one of God. Hi MB, Unsure of what you mean here.

What I mean is that Jesus was the “CHOSEN ONE” of God long before he was later anointed with Holy Spirit without limit.

In other words, Jesus was God's Christ (anointed one/chosen one/one set aside for a special purpose) before he was baptized.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 17 2012,14:36)

Nick, Yahshua Messiah is never once recorded as proclaiming that he had created ANYTHING!

Nor did he create anything. All things were created by God THROUGH Jesus.

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,07:39)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 17 2012,13:18) ………The angel was just relating to them that Jesus was the Messiah promised to come. He was not say Jesus was already anointed , that simply is not true Jesus was not anointed until he was anointed at the Jordan river Gene, If Jesus was just a regular old, non spirit-filled schmuck like the rest of us, why did John say it was Jesus who should be baptzing him, instead of the other way around? You and Nick can add your own imaginations into the scriptures by claiming the angel was speaking prophetically if you want to.  As for me, I will believe the scriptures without such imaginary additions. Btw, “anointed one” refers to one set aside by God for a specific purpose.  Surely Jesus was set asided for his purpose long before God gave him the Spirit without limit.  Surely God didn't choose Jesus out of the blue on the day of his baptism.  Jesus was set aside for the purpose of teaching and being a sacrificial Lamb from before the time God sent him into the world to be born of Mary.

Hi Mb,
Yes.
A chosen vessel.
The one who did not need to be forgiven as he was sinless.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
God does all his creating through His Spirit.

[mikeboll64]

Yes Nick. Therefore CHOSEN (anointed) by God BEFORE he was baptized. And therefore different from any one of us right from his conception.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
In what way does CHOSEN mean anointed?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,14:45)

Hi MB, God does all his creating through His Spirit.

Well, let's see what the scriptures say, and compare them to what YOU say:

Heb 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Hmmmm………………

Is God's Spirit also His “Son”?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
SET ASIDE BY GOD FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE does mean chosen but anointing is as the oil poured on the head of kings.

The water pots at the wedding were of limited use till the wine filled them.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
SONSHIP to God is by sharing His Spirit.
That is what made Jesus the Christ.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,14:46)

Hi MB, In what way does CHOSEN mean anointed?

“Anointed” literally means to “smear with oil”. Figuratively, an anointed one of God is one that God has set aside or chosen for a particular purpose. Read about Cyrus, who was set aside (anointed) to help rebuild God's temple many years before he was even born.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Spirit of Christ is made as a servant to God.
Phil2

In and one with God's Spirit.

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