Preexistence

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,21:32)

Hi MB, Jesus was conceived. He was born in Bethlehem.

Yes Nick,

The Word was conceived in flesh and became flesh.  With this we agree.  How does that prohibit the Word of John 1 from being Jesus before he was made into the likeness of a human being?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,21:32)

The Word was before Jesus………

What scripture teaches this?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,22:00)

Hi MB, Jesus was a flesh vessel just as we are.

Wrong.  Not one of us were sired directly by God.

Flesh?  Yes.  But “just as we are”?  No way.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Mar. 12 2012,17:31)

Heb (messiah)  Gk (Christ)  Both mean: “anointed one.” Dan 9:24-27 pinpoints when “messiah” would appear (and also be cut off, in death) Luke 3:15:  The Jews were in “expectation” of the Christ, right around the time Jesus was baptized. (Luke 3:21,22) How did the Jews know that the Christ was to appear around that time?  They read Dan 9.   Why were they in expectation around the time of Jesus baptism and not at his birth?  Because Dan 9 pointed to that time when the Christ would appear, not to the time of Jesus' birth. Jesus became the “anointed one” (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit at his baptism.  (See Luke 3:21,22) This is why, for me, it seems that he became anointed at that time and not his birth.  This seems how the Jews understood it and they were right to be in “expectation” of the Christ at that time, because later in that chapter, we see Jesus is being anointed with holy spirit. “After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him.” (Mat 3:16) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor….” (luke 4:19) God anointed his son with his holy spirit.  Matthew, mark, Luke say that the holy spirit or God's spirit came down upon Jesus.  Jesus was baptized with holy spirit, thus becoming the Christ (anointed one.) Thoughts?

Hi David,

Thanks for your contribution!
You know that me, Nick and many
others agree with you that Jesus became
“The Christ” at his baptism in the Jordan river.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours?

After his anointing that flesh vessel was used amazingly by God.

he disd wondrous things and said we could do even greater things.

Now we no longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.[2Cor5]

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:14)

Hi MB, In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours?

I'm not sure if the flesh itself was different, Nick. The way Jesus BECAME flesh was surely different, though. And that is the point I made in my last post to you, and therefore the point you should be addressing – don't you think?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 13 2012,17:33)

Quote (david @ Mar. 12 2012,17:31) Heb (messiah)  Gk (Christ)  Both mean: “anointed one.” Dan 9:24-27 pinpoints when “messiah” would appear (and also be cut off, in death) Luke 3:15:  The Jews were in “expectation” of the Christ, right around the time Jesus was baptized. (Luke 3:21,22) How did the Jews know that the Christ was to appear around that time?  They read Dan 9.   Why were they in expectation around the time of Jesus baptism and not at his birth?  Because Dan 9 pointed to that time when the Christ would appear, not to the time of Jesus' birth. Jesus became the “anointed one” (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit at his baptism.  (See Luke 3:21,22) This is why, for me, it seems that he became anointed at that time and not his birth.  This seems how the Jews understood it and they were right to be in “expectation” of the Christ at that time, because later in that chapter, we see Jesus is being anointed with holy spirit. “After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him.” (Mat 3:16) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor….” (luke 4:19) God anointed his son with his holy spirit.  Matthew, mark, Luke say that the holy spirit or God's spirit came down upon Jesus.  Jesus was baptized with holy spirit, thus becoming the Christ (anointed one.) Thoughts? Hi David, Thanks for your contribution! You know that me, Nick and many others agree with you that Jesus became “The Christ” at his baptism in the Jordan river. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

edj

show us all how is the holy spirit different from Christ birth and the one from the time of his baptism that actually only came upon him as a sign to John so that he knew that this was the Christ to come after him ,

so show us

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2012,11:22)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:14) Hi MB, In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours? I'm not sure if the flesh itself was different, Nick.  The way Jesus BECAME flesh was surely different, though.  And that is the point I made in my last post to you, and therefore the point you should be addressing – don't you think?

Hi MB,
Nobody disagrees that God was his Father but unless he was just like us he was not able to be our priest or mediator.

As our human priest he went through the curtain of his flesh [heb 10.20]into the holy of holies.[Heb 7-10

His origins did not change the fact he was SON OF MAN

[NickHassan]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,11:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2012,11:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:14) Hi MB, In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours? I'm not sure if the flesh itself was different, Nick.  The way Jesus BECAME flesh was surely different, though.  And that is the point I made in my last post to you, and therefore the point you should be addressing – don't you think? Hi MB, Nobody disagrees that God was his Father but unless he was just like us he was not able to be our priest or mediator. As our human priest he went through the curtain of his flesh [heb 10.20]into the holy of holies.[Heb 7-10 His origins did not change the fact he was SON OF MAN

Hi MB,
Where is the verse that says JESUS became flesh?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,18:35)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,11:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2012,11:22) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:14) Hi MB, In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours? I'm not sure if the flesh itself was different, Nick.  The way Jesus BECAME flesh was surely different, though.  And that is the point I made in my last post to you, and therefore the point you should be addressing – don't you think? Hi MB, Nobody disagrees that God was his Father but unless he was just like us he was not able to be our priest or mediator. As our human priest he went through the curtain of his flesh [heb 10.20]into the holy of holies.[Heb 7-10 His origins did not change the fact he was SON OF MAN Hi MB, Where is the verse that says JESUS became flesh?

Mike

Nick is turning his own stupidity of thinking like it was you who start it ,

this guy as no shame ;

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You bile does not reflect well on you.
No verse says JESUS became flesh.
The WORD that was with God did.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:34)

Hi MB, Nobody disagrees that God was his Father but unless he was just like us he was not able to be our priest or mediator.

Hmmmm……………. All the other priest that are TRULY “just like us” die and are replaced with other ones.

Was Melchizadek just like us? Paul doesn't think so. Yet he was a priest of God, was he not?

Nick, Jesus had God Almighty as his ONLY Father. That makes him different from us even before he left Mary's womb.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:35)

Hi MB, Where is the verse that says JESUS became flesh?

Phil 2:7 is one of them.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,19:30)

Hi T, You bile does not reflect well on you.

Well Nick,

It gets old after a while.  We keep showing you things, and you just keep saying stupid stuff.

I point out that God can't have two opposing wills, and you say something about human wisdom.  

t8 points out that if God was one witness, then it was the Father OF God who was the other one, and you just say, “Jesus became the Christ at the Jordan”.

Your one liners RARELY even address the points we're making, and there is so much of a “I'm better, smarter, and more spiritual than you” attitude that comes across in them that we sometimes just can't take anymore.

So while I don't commend Pierre for his “bile” – as you put it – I sure as heck know where he's coming from.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,19:30)

Hi T, You bile does not reflect well on you. No verse says JESUS became flesh. The WORD that was with God did.

N

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2012,22:00)
Hi MB,
Jesus was a flesh vessel just as we are.

Phil 2:7 is one of them.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike and Terricca……………..Nick is right Jesus was a MAN Just as we are in the “EXACT” Same physical berth as a Human beings whose existence came through Mankind a Man who was “anointed at the Jordan river and then sent out into the world to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. NO “MYSTERY RELIGIOUS” Morphing process needed, God was dealing with Mankind through Mankind. He was (IN) the MAN from Man , the root of Jesse Just as scripture says. No Voodoo religion need here, Just pure simple straightforward scriptures as the Man who was Prophesied to come through his brethren Just as Moses said.

peace and love…………………………………………………gene

[Proclaimer]

Sorry Gene.

He existed in the form of God and was made in the likeness of men. In other words he came in the flesh.

If you cannot accept that, then your argument is with the one who inspired scripture.

He wears a name, the “Word of God”.

Do you know where he came from and where he was going?

Doesn't look to me like you can answer the first part of the question.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 13 2012,11:25)

edj show us all how is the holy spirit different from Christ birth and the one from the time of his baptism that actually only came upon him as a sign to John so that he knew that this was the Christ to come after him , so show us

PIERRE,

Your English is severely lacking.
I don't understand the question
or questions that you are asking.
Can you use different words here.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,14:14)

Hi MB, In what way was the flesh of the man Jesus different to ours?

He had no sin.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 13 2012,17:25)

PIERRE, Your English is severely lacking.

Howz your French Edj?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2012,12:37)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2012,18:34) Hi MB, Nobody disagrees that God was his Father but unless he was just like us he was not able to be our priest or mediator. Hmmmm…………….  All the other priest that are TRULY “just like us” die and are replaced with other ones. Was Melchizadek just like us?  Paul doesn't think so.  Yet he was a priest of God, was he not? Nick, Jesus had God Almighty as his ONLY Father.  That makes him different from us even before he left Mary's womb.

Hi Mike,

Melchizedek was “Shem” according to “the book of Jasher”. (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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