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[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca…………There is no tricks to it, WE Just believe what Scripture and God Spiirt CLEARLY SHOWS US. If anyone is playing trick with God Words it is YOU and your Co-hart Mike who “thinks” scriptures say or “hints” this or that. Pierre you produce no proof at all and when pressed to produce it you dart of or change subject matter, or ridicule others, but hardly ever coming to see the truth (IN) God Word. What i have posted is True if not then prove it instead of Just Mouthing off about me or what i an other say here. WE have a word in Law called Helios Corpus , that means bring forth the BODY (of evidence) your trash talk produces nothing in way of “EVIDENCE” at all. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………………..gene

[mikeboll64]

Luke 2
25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
  you now dismiss your servant in peace.
30 For my eyes have seen your salvation,
31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles
  and for glory to your people Israel.”

Ed and Gene, did Simeon see the Christ of God as promised?  YES or NO?

Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord.

Ed and Gene, did the angel of God lie?

See, THIS is what the Bible teaches, guys.  The Bible NEVER teaches that “Jesus became the Christ at the Jordan”.  I'm sorry that the scriptures don't actually align with what you WANT to have happened.

And the verse about God calling what will be as if it has already happened doesn't work here.  Because it wasn't God doing the talking in either of the above cases, nor is there any scripture to support these were prophesies.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 10 2012,06:12)

There is no tricks to it, WE Just believe what Scripture and God Spiirt CLEARLY SHOWS US.

Good.  Then believe the scriptures I posted above, Gene. And for crying out loud, believe your own Lord when he tells you that he came down from heaven to do the will of his God.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike…….Simeon was shown by the Spirit of God that Jesus was the “Prophesied Messiah” (the anointed one promised to COME into existence) by all the Prophets of old and Simon knew all those Prophecy's and was looking for his coming as all Jew were. He was granted to see him by God before he died, none of that takes away from what i posted about His future anointing that would take place in his life. Mike they were all fulfilled Prophesies. Including the Spirit of God coming down and resting on him at the Jordan given John too. You make it like we need to just tare that part of scripture out and act as if that never took place it appears. Jesus is called the Messiah because he “WAS” anointed, that is what Messiah means. nothing complicated about it no mystery Jesus recieved His Anointing at the Jordan river just as scripture shows he did, or none of that would need ot have ever taken place at all according to your view.

peace and love………………………………………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2012,23:19)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 10 2012,06:12) There is no tricks to it, WE Just believe what Scripture and God Spiirt CLEARLY SHOWS US. Good.  Then believe the scriptures I posted above, Gene.  And for crying out loud, believe your own Lord when he tells you that he came down from heaven to do the will of his God.

Mike………….I don't believe Scriptures to the “EXCLUSIONS” of others that is what you do not I. IMO

peace and love……………………………………..gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 10 2012,06:41)

Mike…….Simeon was shown by the Spirit of God that Jesus was the “Prophesied Messiah”………..

Then show me from the scripture the words “prophesied Messiah”.

Because the scripture doesn't say God promised to show Simeon the “prophesied Messiah”, or the “soon to be Messiah”, does it?

How is it that YOU put it again………………………

But that's not what the words actually say, now is it?

Gene, why do you always have to add your own words into the scriptures?  Is your own interpetation of what the scriptures should be teaching more important than what they actually teach?  

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2012,23:18)

Luke 2 25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: 29 “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,   you now dismiss your servant in peace. 30 For my eyes have seen your salvation, 31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people, 32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles   and for glory to your people Israel.” Ed and Gene, did Simeon see the Christ of God as promised?  YES or NO? Luke 2:11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. Ed and Gene, did the angel of God lie? See, THIS is what the Bible teaches, guys.  The Bible NEVER teaches that “Jesus became the Christ at the Jordan”.  I'm sorry that the scriptures don't actually align with what you WANT to have happened. And the verse about God calling what will be as if it has already happened doesn't work here.  Because it wasn't God doing the talking in either of the above cases, nor is there any scripture to support these were prophesies.

Hi Mike,

I gave you the biblical principal in Romans 4:17, which explains the reason, why do you glaze over this FACT?
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God,
who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Just because Jesus became “the Christ” at his baptism in the Jordan river,
does not mean he cannot be called “Christ” before this event.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about
doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
When did God ANOINT Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit, Mike?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,00:00)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 10 2012,06:41) Mike…….Simeon was shown by the Spirit of God that Jesus was the “Prophesied Messiah”……….. Then show me from the scripture the words “prophesied Messiah”. Because the scripture doesn't say God promised to show Simeon the “prophesied Messiah”, or the “soon to be Messiah”, does it? How is it that YOU put it again……………………… But that's not what the words actually say, now is it? Gene, why do you always have to add your own words into the scriptures?  Is your own interpetation of what the scriptures should be teaching more important than what they actually teach?

Hi Mike, here's one…

John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou
art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

And here's another…

Acts 3:22-24 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the LORD your God raise up
unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:06)

calleth those things which be not as though they were. Just because Jesus became “the Christ” at his baptism in the Jordan river, does not mean he cannot be called “Christ” before this event.

That scripture means that God CAN call future things as if they've already happened.

Where is your scriptural support that this is the case with Luke 2?

Where is your support that God said the words of Simeon?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:14)

Hi Mike, here's one… John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

What's this one supposed to prove? That AFTER the Jordan, Martha was saying that Jesus WOULD someday be the Christ?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,01:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:06) calleth those things which be not as though they were. Just because Jesus became “the Christ” at his baptism in the Jordan river, does not mean he cannot be called “Christ” before this event. That scripture means that God CAN call future things as if they've already happened. Where is your scriptural support that this is the case with Luke 2? Where is your support that God said the words of Simeon?

Hi Mike,

I gave you two examples: one in John 11:27 and another in Acts 3:22-24. (see my previous post)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,01:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:14) Hi Mike, here's one… John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. What's this one supposed to prove?  That AFTER the Jordan, Martha was saying that Jesus WOULD someday be the Christ?

No Mike,

She was proclaiming that she understood the prophets prophecies concerning Jesus.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:06)

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. When did God ANOINT Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit, Mike?

1 Samuel 10
Then Samuel took a flask of oil and poured it on Saul’s head and kissed him, saying, “Has not the LORD anointed you leader over his inheritance?”

10 When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying.

How is it that God anointed Saul with Holy Spirit AFTER Saul was already the anointed of God?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 11 2012,01:35) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:14) Hi Mike, here's one… John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. What's this one supposed to prove?  That AFTER the Jordan, Martha was saying that Jesus WOULD someday be the Christ?   No Mike, She was proclaiming that she understood the prophets prophecies concerning Jesus.

And?    I too understand the prophesies about the coming Messiah.  How does that change the fact that God promised Simeon he would see His Messiah before he died, and God KEPT that promise when Jesus was 8 days old?

Are you pulling a Gene here?  Are you inserting your own words into the scriptures to make them say that God promised Simeon he would see the one who WAS TO BE CHRIST SOMEDAY?

If so, then stop it.  Because that is NOT what the scripture says.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2012,08:38)

Hi Mike, I gave you two examples: one in John 11:27 and another in Acts 3:22-24. (see my previous post)

And how does Acts 3 change the words of Simeon?

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Romans 4:17 explains the words of Simon.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

So SIMEON was God, and calling future things as though they were already?

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Here's another example of how God's prophetic word works according to Scripture…

Rev 13:8-9 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him(Rev.13:1-2),
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

This verse indicates that it was determined before the world
began that Jesus would be crucified. (please take note)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

No, that verse indicates that you are using the flawed KJV Bible.  

This is how the verse goes:

Revelation 13:8 NET ©
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, 1  everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world 2  in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. 3

Footnote 2 says:
Rev 13:82tn
The prepositional phrase “since the foundation of the world” is traditionally translated as a modifier of the immediately preceding phrase in the Greek text, “the Lamb who was killed” (so also G. B. Caird, Revelation [HNTC], 168), but it is more likely that the phrase “since the foundation of the world” modifies the verb “written” (as translated above). Confirmation of this can be found in Rev 17:8 where the phrase “written in the book of life since the foundation of the world” occurs with no ambiguity.

Ed, you are pretending to teach me about prophecy. I am aware of the many prophetic statements in the Bible. None of them have anything to do with the fact that Simeon saw the Christ of God when he was 8 days old.

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

I'm not trying to change your mind.

I'm only presenting the evidence of what
Scripture says concerning biblical Prophecy.
I believe it is God's place to change our mind.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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