Preexistence

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2012,19:48)

Hi MB, If you choose to follow theology rather than scripture you should choose another site.

Oh, you mean like the claim that Jesus became the Christ at the Jordan? Show me those words in scripture, Nick.

If you cannot, then perhaps you would rather enjoy a man-made theology site over this one.

Nick, I've asked you if it is clear from scripture that God has a PERSONALITY. Does He?

From World English Dictionary:
PERSON:
a being characterized by consciousness, rationality, and a moral sense, and traditionally thought of as consisting of both a body and a mind or soul

[GeneBalthrop]

To all………….Personification of Spirits does not mean they are literally a Person. Is Wisdom a She “PERSON”? Is Satan a HE “PERSON” ? no they are not they are Spirits which are aspects of Persons but are not the complete person themselves. Jesus said he spoke of God in a proverbial language , that means in a “FICTITIOUS ILLUSTRATION”. Take a unclean spirit when it leaves a person (IT) goes about in Arid Places looking for rest. Now is that unclean spirit a Person or an intellect that effects the mind of a person? Jesus simply personified it as a person but in fact it (A Spiirt ) is not a person or (complete being) but a type or kind of Spirit (intellect) that can effect a Persons mind and consequently his or her thinking.

I believe Yahweh our GOD is a Person Who controls the Seven Spirit (INTELLECTS) which compose his thinking. He also has the Seven HORNS or POWERS that he uses with those Spirits to effect his will on his creation. The same Seven horns and seven powers Jesus now has. There is no scripture that say GOD is a PERSON to my knowledge. But there is a scripture that says > “Hear O Israel the LORD (Yahweh) our GOD is ONE LORD” (Yahweh). IMO

There is a mystery concerning GOD that still exists ,

1 Ti 3:16….> And without controversy great is the “MYSTERY” of “GODLINESS: GOD was manifest (IN) the flesh, (he was (IN) Jesus), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels (messengers). preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, recieved up into glory.

peace and love……………………………………gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 04 2012,08:28)

I believe Yahweh our GOD is a Person……….

Of course the God who made us in His image is a person, just like those of us who were made in His image are persons.

Gene, be careful.  You are agreeing with me again.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
A dictionary defines your God?
Could you not find the word in scripture?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
God anointed JESUS OF NAZARETH[Acts 10.38]
Not Jesus of Heaven or even of Bethlehem.

The man who lived in Narareth was anointed.

[mikeboll64]

And what SCRIPTURE tells us this happened at the Jordan?

Nick, if you want to pretend that the God whose image we are all made is not a person, then go ahead and pretend.

After all, it is the ONLY way you can get yourself out of the John 6:38 conundrum you've found yourself in.

(Well, that, or claiming that God Himself has TWO different and contradicting wills – which is equally absurd.)

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:05)

Hi MB, God anointed JESUS OF NAZARETH[Acts 10.38] Not Jesus of Heaven or even of Bethlehem. The man who lived in Narareth was anointed.

n

WAS THAT MAN A NATURAL MAN BORN OF MAN??

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Was he not a natural man?
Only sinlessness was different.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You made the statement about God being a PERSON.
We do not have to prove it wrong.

You prove it right-without a dictionary.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You really do not know enough about God to define Him.
Just read what is says

Then you will not have to make up stuff about Jesus of NAZARETH being the first creation of God, in heaven.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:28)

Hi T, Was he not a natural man? Only sinlessness was different.

N

what you think ??

what is a natural born man to you ??

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2012,11:30)

Hi MB, You made the statement about God being a PERSON. We do not have to prove it wrong. You prove it right-without a dictionary.

Like I said Nick, if you have to PRETEND that God is not a PERSON, complete with anger, love, jealousy, graciousness, etc, then go right ahead.

I don't think any of us here actually believe that you truly believe it. I think we understand that you are claiming the absurd to avoid the rock and the hard place.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2012,11:28)

Hi T, Was he not a natural man? Only sinlessness was different.

Oh, so the fact that he didn't have a human being as a father doesn't come into play at all?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
So you CANNOT show that God calls Himself a person?
Case closed.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Like the first created Adam he was a man.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2012,11:55)

Hi MB, So you CANNOT show that God calls Himself a person? Case closed.

I cannot show where anyone calls Jesus a person either. Okay Nick, Jesus was not a person. Case closed!

Get a grip, Nick. Does God have a personality? YES or NO?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,11:55)

Hi MB, So you CANNOT show that God calls Himself a person? Case closed.

N

if God is not a being or a person,then there is no creation and nothing is existing not even you

[NickHassan]

Hi T and MB,
You cannot discuss scriptural matters using scriptural terms?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Does God mention His PERSONALITY?
Show me the verses.

If not you are again building on sand.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:32)

Hi T and MB, You cannot discuss scriptural matters using scriptural terms?

N

then show us that he is not a being or a person with scriptures

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