Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,01:09)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 02 2012,19:38) Mike, The SPIRIT that was in Yahshua is not a person, but is an IT………. Agreed.  Let's see what Ed and Nick say about it.   Nick?   Ed? Is the spirit that was in Jesus an individual person, complete with his own will, agenda, mind, etc?

Hi,
The Spirit that dwelled in Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit.
God was in him.

[NickHassan]

Hi G,
Still stuck on the mind?
Power and control and nature are more than that.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
In the Spirit is shown the very depths of God's nature and abilities.[1Cor2 10-16]

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2012,11:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,01:09) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 02 2012,19:38) Mike, The SPIRIT that was in Yahshua is not a person, but is an IT………. Agreed.  Let's see what Ed and Nick say about it.   Nick? Is the spirit that was in Jesus an individual person, complete with his own will, agenda, mind, etc? Hi, The Spirit that dwelled in Jesus Christ was the Holy Spirit. God was in him.

All,

Nick will not answer my simple question above, because if he does, here is what will happen:

If he says “YES”, then we will all think he's crazy and ask him to show a scripture to support his claim that God has two separate wills – a scripture that doesn't exist.

If he says “NO”, then his claim that it was the spirit dwelling in Jesus who said the words of John 6:38 goes bye-bye.

He is stuck on this, and therefore will not actually ANSWER my question, but just keep posting, “The spirit was in Jesus”, and other such things that have no bearing on the point I'm trying to make………………….actually, the point I'VE NOW MADE.  

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Only men add the word PERSON.
The Holy Spirit expresses both the Father and the Word.
Why do you think you can define our God and the complexity of His Holy Spirit?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
There are no persons in God.
That is the mistake of the trinitarians.

[mikeboll64]

God is a person, Nick. And if the Holy Spirit is Him, then it doesn't have a will of its own. I believe I've made my point – and as usual, you can't directly address it.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2012,04:40)

Hi G, Still stuck on the mind? Power and control and nature are more than that.

Nick………..when it comes to Just SPIRIT it is simply a type or kind of Intellect that give us a type of cognition  about something. I Do understand POWERS is “CONNECTED” with Spirits, like the power to Heal or powers over nature and energy.  But if you will go with me a minuet to Where Jesus to the apostles to remain at Jerusalem until POWER from ON HIGH was Given them , they already had the HOLY SPIRIT becasue Jesus Breathed it on them remember, and said recieve you the Spirit, But you see Spirit is one thing and POWER is quite another, So he said for them to remain there until POWER was Given them from on HIGH.  Many think because they have the spirit that means they also have the Powers need to produce it effects on other , i believe you can have the Spirit (intellects) but not the powers .

This may help explain it also……..

Rev 5:6…..> An i beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throng and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns ( symbolizing POWERS) and seven eyes (symbolizing intellects) , which are the seven SPIRITS of God , sent forth into all the earth.

Nick did you notice that the HORNS (powers) are shown as One thing and the Seven Eyes (Spirits as another).  So this means to me that POWERS are One thing and SPIRITS are another , we can have God's Spirits (IN) us but No the Powers , You could even be a invalid and have those Spirits (IN) you but no power to change anything.

That to me is why scripture say some are given Power to heal, another to interpreter of dreams , in fact the disciples were given power to heal and cast out demons before they even had the Spirit of GOD (IN) them. I do believe Spirit and POWER are not the same thing in Scripture NICK.

Jesus is shown to have all seven of them both Powers and Spirits. it appears in revelations. IMO

peace and love………………………………..gene

[942767]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,07:38)

Marty and Nick, So, do you both believe as Mike and t8 has asserted earlier in a previous post … Quote Frank, I would like to see your DIRECT response to t8's excellent point that if John was informed in his revelation that Jesus is CALLED “the Word of God”, is it so far of a stretch to believe that John, later when he wrote his gospel, actually CALLED Jesus “the Word of God”? … that the same Yahchanan [John] who wrote Revelation later wrote the so-called “Book [“gospel”] of Yahchanan [John]”?

Hi Frank:

Yes, I do believe that the same John who wrote the gospel of John also wrote the book of Revelation, but I do not believe that he called Jesus “the Word of God”. He said “his name is called” the Word of God. There is a difference.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 03 2012,15:47)

I do not believe that he called Jesus “the Word of God”.  He said “his name is called” the Word of God.  There is a difference.

The only difference comes from your WISH for it to mean something different, Marty.

Frank recently posted some info about Haggai's name meaning “feast of Yahweh”.   I'll ask you what he was unable to answer:

Ezra 5:1
Now Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the prophet, a descendant of Iddo, prophesied to the Jews in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, who was over them.

Marty, do you think a literal “feast of Yahweh” prophesied to the Jews in Judah?  Or does it make more sense that the PERSON who was CALLED BY THE NAME “Feast of Yahweh” did the prophesying?

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2012,06:19)

God is a person, Nick.  And if the Holy Spirit is Him, then it doesn't have a will of its own.  I believe I've made my point – and as usual, you can't directly address it.

Hi MB,
As soon as you can show this written we can move on.
GOD IS A PERSON

Then show from Scripture the other points you make.

[mikeboll64]

Hmmmmm……………….

Now you are willing to claim that the God in whose image we were all made is not even a person?

Nick, I think you've topped Jack's claim that he and his dad are the same exact being.

Can YOU show from scripture that Jesus is a PERSON? How about Abraham? Or David? Or Samuel?

Shall we assume that none of them are persons because scripture doesn't contain the exact words, “So and so was a person”?

Nick, stop playing.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2012,19:28)

Then show from Scripture the other points you make.

What? YOU are the one claiming that God has TWO wills, Nick. Show me that from scripture.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Though it might challenge your theological base could you show us FROM SCRIPTURE that God calls Himself ,or anyone calls God, a PERSON.
If not then you should change foundations.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Read scripture and take it from there.
Theology is humbug

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
If you choose to follow theology rather than scripture you should choose another site.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2012,12:45)

Hi MB, Though it might challenge your theological base could you show us FROM SCRIPTURE that God calls Himself ,or anyone calls God, a PERSON. If not then you should change foundations.

Hi Nick:

Are you saying that God is not a person?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 03 2012,19:55)

Hi Nick: Are you saying that God is not a person?

The kicker is that he probably doesn't even believe that himself, Marty. It's just that I've got him stuck between a rock and a hard place, and this claim was his only way out.

Nick, does God have a PERSONALITY, according to scripture? If He has a PERSONALITY, then He is a PERSON.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Your competitive instincts stop you from listening.
Tell us where GOD SAYS He is a PERSON

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
If God DOES NOT SAY

He is a person

why would you?

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