Preexistence

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Yahshua was the man who reconciled men to God
God was in him.

No logic necessary

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

God created ALL THINGS through His firstborn and only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Don't over think it. Just accept the words of the scriptures.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,19:43)

Hi MB, Jesus was conceived of God and born a man. Men are relatively powerless. The anointing of the Spirit of God transformed him as the Spirit can do with you. You could do greater things than even those he did-he said so.

The question was:

Through which one of the two Jesus' you mentioned did God create the universe?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Spirit of Christ is eternal and powerful.
Jesus has died but he lives by the Spirit

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
One Jesus.

But the grain of wheat has fallen to the ground that we might die too and live in unity with him and his Father in the life of the eternal Spirit.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2012,13:24)

Hi MB, One Jesus. But the grain of wheat has fallen to the ground that we might die too and live in unity with him and his Father in the life of the eternal Spirit.

either on earth or in heaven is it nick

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,13:24)

Hi MB, One Jesus.

Good. I'm glad you've come to your senses on that one.

So it was through the ONE Jesus that God created the universe then – just like scripture teaches us?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Men did not create the universe.
God did by the Spirit [Gen1]

[mikeboll64]

Nor did Jesus. Nor do men exist in heaven.

All these things should tell you that Jesus was NOT a man when all things were created BY God THROUGH him – you know, during the time he was existing in the form of God before he was made into the likeness of a human being.

This should also tell you that Jesus can't be a human being in heaven now.

[NickHassan]

Hi mB,
At least three times scripture tells us he was a man./
EG acts 2.22-23

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2012,05:58)

Hi MB, Yahshua was the man who reconciled men to God God was in him. No logic necessary

Nick………..thats the part they do not understand , GOD was truly (IN) Jesus They simply do not believe Jesus when he said the FATHER was (IN) HIM. GOD was (IN) Jesus via His Spirit, GOD is a SPIRIT according to Jesus.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

[Ed J]

Hi Gene and Nick,

The difference in wording seems to confuse some here, take these verses for example:

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who
went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing
their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us  “The Word”  of reconciliation.

      the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
      compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,14:44)

Hi mB, At least three times scripture tells us he was a man./ EG acts 2.22-23

I don't believe anyone on this site argues the fact that Jesus was once a man.

Your scriptures say that Jesus was a man who died. We all know that.

They don't say he is still a man in heaven……….nor does any scripture for that matter.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Does it matter what transformed men are called?
We do not yet know what we will be like but we do know we will be like the Lord
1jn 3.2

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2012,18:39)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,14:44) Hi mB, At least three times scripture tells us he was a man./ EG acts 2.22-23 I don't believe anyone on this site argues the fact that Jesus was once a man. Your scriptures say that Jesus was a man who died.  We all know that. They don't say he is still a man in heaven……….nor does any scripture for that matter.

Mike

I think Nick try to tell that Christ is no longer a man because the word WAS

[mikeboll64]

I wish that was what he was trying to tell us, Pierre. Because then he'd be speaking scripturally. Jesus is now a SPIRIT, and a SPIRIT is not a HUMAN BEING.

And now, because he knows he lost the point, he's trying to say, “Who really cares what Jesus is now?”

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2012,18:49)

I wish that was what he was trying to tell us, Pierre.  Because then he'd be speaking scripturally.  Jesus is now a SPIRIT, and a SPIRIT is not a HUMAN BEING. And now, because he knows he lost the point, he's trying to say, “Who really cares what Jesus is now?”

Mike

Nick,has is own way of pointing out things,

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Do you regard this as some sort of carnal competition??

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike………..Why did Jesus say “WHEN THE “SON OF MAN” RETURNS WILL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH”, IF HE WAS NO LONGER A SON OF MAN . There is more scripture also that deal with him as son of man returning. If you want i can look them up.

peace and love……………………………………………..gene

[mikeboll64]

Jesus will continue to be known as the Son of Man forever, Gene – despite the fact that he became a spirit.

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