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Hi MB,
There are many scriptures that refer to Jesus.
But when he is referred to as Jesus CHRIST or CHRIST Jesus then there are two.The wonderful vessel and the Holy Spirit within.
God was in him reconciling the world to Himself
Hi MB,
Jesus was conceived of God and born a man.
Men are relatively powerless.The anointing of the Spirit of God transformed him as the Spirit can do with you.
You could do greater things than even those he did-he said so.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,19:43) Hi MB,
Jesus was conceived of God and born a man.
Men are relatively powerless.The anointing of the Spirit of God transformed him as the Spirit can do with you.
You could do greater things than even those he did-he said so.
nickQuote You could do greater things than even those he did-he said so. what you think Jesus ad in his mind wen he said this
Hi T,
God is not limited.
Men do not grasp His abilities.
I can do all things through Him Who strengthens meQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,19:58) Hi T,
God is not limited.
Men do not grasp His abilities.
I can do all things through Him Who strengthens me
Nickhow then his word can become true or was he just free talking ??
I do believe those words are true and have been accomplished through his disciples
Pierre
Hi T,
Are you not a disciple?
Did they receive something that you cannot get??
Christ is not divided and the promise is to all generations[acts 2.39]Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,10:45) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,17:39) I can't say that I have ever noticed the term 'heavenly man'.
The term “heavenly man” is not in the Greek text. Nor is “heavenly human”.
Correct. It is heavenly which at least one translation says it as 'heavenly man'.The question I have though is it says that he is the man from heaven, but that word man is not 'adam' which we know means man. Rather it is the completely different word, anthrOpos.
Thus one might say that he is a man and another that he is not a man. And perhaps both are right because English uses both man or human in translations which has little difference, when in fact they are completely different words in Greek that are not related to each other.
So when it says, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God or when it says fleshly then spiritual, then such terms might affect which of the 2 words we can use. For flesh it might be adam exclusively and for spirit (or both flesh or spirit) it might be anthrOpos.
Thus if one person says “is Jesus a man in heaven”, then the answer depends on whether you see that as “is Jesus is adam from heaven” or “is Jesus is anthrOpos from heaven”. I know the latter is correct, but what about the former. This is a question to both yourself and Nick. I take it that you would say the former is not the case, therefore leaving Nick to prove that it is the case if he differs with what you are saying.
I think there is some overlap in your conversation.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,20:05) Hi T,
Are you not a disciple?
Did they receive something that you cannot get??
Christ is not divided and the promise is to all generations[acts 2.39]
Nickyou are losing me ;I was talking about your comment ;
Quote You could do greater things than even those he did-he said so. is that what you imply when you quoting Act 2;39
and so that the GREATER THINGS ARE THE PREACHING TO ALL OF THE WORLD ?OF THE WORD OF GOD ?
Pierre
Hi T8,
Jesus is the second Adam.
Both Adams have God as their father.
The original Adam then fathered the subsequent human race.
Jesus is the beginning of the new creation-new body, new Spirit, renewed heart and mind.All things have become new and the perishable old is passed away
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,13:21) Hi T8,
Jesus is the second Adam.
Both Adams have God as their father.
The original Adam then fathered the subsequent human race.
Jesus is the beginning of the new creation-new body, new Spirit, renewed heart and mind.All things have become new and the perishable old is passed away
The question is, “is Jesus the Adam (as in first adam) from heaven or the second adam”.He is the second and the second is different to the first as the first is earthly and the second heavenly.
So is Jesus a man? depends on what you mean by man because Adam is essentially man a being with a body of flesh and blood. Adam is made up of “A” the first letter of the alphabet while “dam” means blood.
So is Jesus a man in heaven. No, if you mean that he is a being decendant from Adam with flesh and blood and residing in Heaven.
If you mean the second Adam a life giving spirit, then that is different because spirit can reside there.
Just pointing out Nick that saying “Jesus is a man in heaven” could well have greater implications than we think.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,13:21) Hi T8,
Jesus is the second Adam.
Both Adams have God as their father.
The original Adam then fathered the subsequent human race.
Jesus is the beginning of the new creation-new body, new Spirit, renewed heart and mind.All things have become new and the perishable old is passed away
Nick……….I agree with this assessment , we become a complete new creation, with a new Spirit and Body. God takes out our heart of Stone and gives hearts of Flesh (Soft Hearts) and put a NEW Spirit (in) us and we do become a New creation and eventually a new flesh Body that will never die, Just as Jesus is. Jesus is the beginning of this New creation by GOD the FATHER, and it started with Jesus, He is the first born from mankind into this glorious change. IMOPeace and love ……………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2012,08:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,13:21) Hi T8,
Jesus is the second Adam.
Both Adams have God as their father.
The original Adam then fathered the subsequent human race.
Jesus is the beginning of the new creation-new body, new Spirit, renewed heart and mind.All things have become new and the perishable old is passed away
Nick……….I agree with this assessment , we become a complete new creation, with a new Spirit and Body. God takes out our heart of Stone and gives hearts of Flesh (Soft Hearts) and put a NEW Spirit (in) us and we do become a New creation and eventually a new flesh Body that will never die, Just as Jesus is. Jesus is the beginning of this New creation by GOD the FATHER, and it started with Jesus, He is the first born from mankind into this glorious change. IMOPeace and love ……………………………………………gene
nickAdam is not a begotten son of God ,he is only son of God because he is the first man created,not born of a women,
and so is created trough Christ ,Pierre
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2012,10:44) Hi T,
Recreation in Christ is the plan of God.
You must be born again.
agreedQuote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,20:55) So is Jesus a man in heaven. No, if you mean that he is a being decendant from Adam with flesh and blood and residing in Heaven. If you mean the second Adam a life giving spirit, then that is different because spirit can reside there.
Just pointing out Nick that saying “Jesus is a man in heaven” could well have greater implications than we think.
The word “anthropos” means “human being”. Jesus is implied to be the “human being FROM heaven”. Just as the first Adam wasn't yet a human being until he was made FROM the dirt, the last Adam wasn't yet a human being until he was sent FROM heaven to the earth.There is no scripture that teaches us Jesus was a human being in heaven BEFORE he came to earth; nor one that teaches he ascended to heaven as a human being.
Human beings consist of flesh, which cannot inherit God's heavenly Kingdom.
Jesus is now the mediator BETWEEN God and man, which would seem to indicate that he is something other than “God”, and other than “man”.
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