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Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 09 2012,07:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:48) Hi Frank, So you cannot defend you erroneous position then, correct?
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Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Ed J,You are off topic again! The topic here is “Preexistence (Part 2)”. Now go wait as long as you want for my response in the thread that you previously designated in link. Have fun WAITING and WAITING and WAITING!
Hi Frank,You therefore do concede to loosing the debate then, correct?
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Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi MB,
To the scripture that says he became a life giving Spirit, not the ones you offered.
Show me there where it says he was no longer a man.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,07:59) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2012,14:48) Hi Frank, So you cannot defend you erroneous position then, correct?
When has he ever defended the stuff he posts?
Hi Mike,I think Frank uses the same tactic as Dennison.
Remember SF use to post others opinions,
then when we pressed him he would say…they are not my words to avoid owning up to the incorrectness of them.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:59) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 09 2012,07:55) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:48) Hi Frank, So you cannot defend you erroneous position then, correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,You are off topic again! The topic here is “Preexistence (Part 2)”. Now go wait as long as you want for my response in the thread that you previously designated in link. Have fun WAITING and WAITING and WAITING!
Hi Frank,You therefore do concede to loosing the debate then, correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,I see you as the loser!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,08:19) Interesting statement from the guy who ran away from the debate.
Mike,I see you as a loser also!
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 09 2012,08:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2012,08:19) Interesting statement from the guy who ran away from the debate.
Mike,I see you as a loser also!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,08:39) Hi MB
1Cor 15.45
Thanks for that Nick.1 Corinthians 15:45-49 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy,we will also bear the image of the heavenly.I can't say that I have ever noticed the term 'heavenly man'.
I looked up some of the words used and the word adam/man as in heavenly man was not used as I assumed, rather man was anthrOpos which means human.
So is it that there can be a heavenly human but not a heavenly man and if so, what is the difference between human and man or anthrOpos and adam?
Some other points I noticed were:
- earthly/choikos means SOILish perhaps a reference to soil.
- bearing the image of the heavenly means ON-heavenly/Celestial-One.
So it appears that we can be a celestial human, but it doesn't say celestial man/adam.
So what is the difference between human and man? In English human and man are almost the same word.
Perhaps man/adam/Adam is always a reference to flesh.
We know Jesus can be a heavenly human/celestial anthrOpos.
But can he be a celestial adam?
If so, then Jesus is a man in heaven.
If not, then does it just mean that he is a celestial being, rather than a celestial man?I would be surprised if this topic hasn't been covered before.
Can anyone add an insight to this.Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2012,17:39) I can't say that I have ever noticed the term 'heavenly man'.
The term “heavenly man” is not in the Greek text. Nor is “heavenly human”.Hi t8,
Yes the Son of God was anointed with the Spirit and passed on that anointing setting a fire on earth.
He will return as glorious king of earth as the man from heaven.
We too will be like attired in the new heavenly body.Hi MB,
He was the Son of God from conception.
God was his Father by His Spirit.We follow him by rebirth of water and the Spirit just as he submitted to at the Jordan
He was the Son of God before the universe was created through him. Should we only accept scriptures that don't offend us, Nick?
Bump for Nick
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,14:32) Hi MB,
Yes the second Adam also had God as his Father.[lk4]
Then he was anointed at the jordan with power.
He became the Son of God with power at the resurrection, not at the Jordan. The miracles were done by God through Jesus.He wasn't given all authority until he was raised from the dead – after suffering to be made perfect.
Nick, you seem to have avoided my points:
1. WHEN was Jesus existing in the form of God?
2. WHEN did he empty himself of this existence?
3. WHEN was he made into the likeness of a human being?
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