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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:31) Hi F4,
The book never says he was a BEING before birth.
You don't call a son a being?How could he have send his son, if he didn't have one?
Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:31) Hi F4,
The book never says he was a BEING before birth.
Nick Hassan,Do you believe that Yahshua pre-existed in any form (eg. an “angel” or a “god”) in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh? In other words, Do you believe “The Book” ever says he was an “angel” or a “god” before birth?
Hi f4,
Scripture says several times that Jesus is a man.
I believe that.His powers were given to him at the Jordan that God would be glorified.
We should do that.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,05:50) Hi Georg,
God sent his son Jesus Christ into the world.
Likewise the Son sent his brothers.[Jn17]
Nick Hassan,I wholeheartedly believe that Father Yahweh sent His son into the world in the same manner that Yahshua sent his brothers into the world.
As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world (Yahchanan [John] 17:18).
It seems that you are leery about using the word 'being' in connection with Yahshua's supposed pre-existence, possibly since the Scripture translation that you use does not use this word 'being' in connection with Yahshua. Following is a definition and a link to the definition of the word 'being':
“noun
being – 1. the fact of existing; existence (as opposed to nonexistence). –…
— n
1. the state or fact of existing; existence – Collins English Dictionary – Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
SOURCEAfter reviewing the definition of the word 'being', do you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth in accordance with the definition of this word?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,11:19) Hi T8,
Yes that describes the anointing on Jesus CHRIST.
Actually Nick,It says he was existing in the form of God, then emptied himself, and was MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF A HUMAN BEING.
If Jesus already was a human being before the anointing at the Jordan, then your understanding has no choice but to be flawed.
(Nor would that understanding explain how all things could have been created through a Son who didn't yet even exist.)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,06:26) Hi f4,
Scripture says several times that Jesus is a man.
I believe that.His powers were given to him at the Jordan that God would be glorified.
We should do that.
Nick Hassan,I would wholeheartedly agree with you on this point also!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,13:26) Hi f4,
Scripture says several times that Jesus is a man.
Scripture says that Jesus came in the flesh. Scripture says that because the children were flesh, Jesus also had to partake in the flesh to fulfill his mission.But scripture also says Jesus was existing in the form of God BEFORE he came in the flesh. And scripture also says that Jesus is no longer a man, but a life-giving spirit.
We can't just pick and choose which scriptures we will believe, and which ones we will ignore.
Nick Hassan,
Don't be fooled by the opposition! When it says that Yahshua … “existed in the form of Yahweh [God] …” this is not in reference to his pre-existing his birth in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh as an actual being, but is in reference to his existing here on Earth (or “in the world”), since this was written well after Yahshua had left the Earth and gone to Heaven to be seated at his and or Father Yahweh's right-hand. This is the past tense (“existed”) that is being referred to in this verse and not as a past tense of His existing in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh.
Yahshua is commonly referred to as “The Second Adam”. Just as Adam (mankind – man and woman) existed and was created in the form (“image” or “likeness”) of Yahweh, Yahshua was also made (formed or created) in the form (“image” or “likeness”) of his and our Father Yahweh. Yahshua was indirectly made (formed or created) in the form (“image” or “likeness”) of his and our Father Yahweh just as all the rest of mankind had been indirectly made (formed or created) in the form (“image” or “likeness”) of our Father Yahweh after the first of mankind (Adam – man and woman) had been directly created. The first directly created Adam (mankind – man and women) were told by Father Yahweh to be fruitful and multiply and it is in this sense that the whole of the rest of mankind were created by Father Yahweh.
Hi MB,
Yes the second Adam also had God as his Father.[lk4]
Then he was anointed at the jordan with power.Hi MB,
He certainly became a lifegiving Spirit but you add when you suggest he was no longer a man.
Should you?Nick Hassan,
Don't be fooled by the opposition! Scripture nowhere SAYS “Jesus was existing in the form of God BEFORE he came in the flesh.”
Hi Frank,
I'm waiting for your response here.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:39) Hi Frank, I'm waiting for your response here.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,Keep waiting!
Hi Frank,
So you cannot defend you erroneous position then, correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:48) Hi Frank, So you cannot defend you erroneous position then, correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,You are off topic again! The topic here is “Preexistence (Part 2)”. Now go wait as long as you want for my response in the thread that you previously designated in link. Have fun WAITING and WAITING and WAITING!
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 09 2012,07:41) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2012,07:39) Hi Frank, I'm waiting for your response here.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,Keep waiting!
Hi Frank,2 Tim 4:2-5 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
1 Thess 5:21-22 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,14:32) Hi MB,
Yes the second Adam also had God as his Father.[lk4]
Then he was anointed at the jordan with power.
He became the Son of God with power at the resurrection, not at the Jordan. The miracles were done by God through Jesus.He wasn't given all authority until he was raised from the dead – after suffering to be made perfect.
Nick, you seem to have avoided my points:
1. WHEN was Jesus existing in the form of God?
2. WHEN did he empty himself of this existence?
3. WHEN was he made into the likeness of a human being?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,14:34) Hi MB,
He certainly became a lifegiving Spirit but you add when you suggest he was no longer a man.
Should you?
Do I?Galatians 1
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Which one of these scriptures did I “add”?
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