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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2010,06:16) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,12:33) Hi Terraricca, edj
you are the twister of scriptures ,your comment is without value,;;
Heb 9:27 People have to die once. After that, God will judge them.
Heb 9:28 In the same way, Christ was offered up once. He took away the sins of many people.
He will also come a second time. At that time he will not suffer for sin. Instead, he will come to bring salvation to those who are waiting for himand as for the next scripture you quote;;Jn 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love him. We will come to him and make our home with him.
it seems you did not reach that point yet,you have a problem to obey Gods words,you like to make people obey you and your blah,blah
Pierre
False!I teach people to reject the blah blah! (Click Here)
Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name,
saying, 'i am'; and shall deceive many.
Ed, we believe scripture, there is no mysterious calculating of letters and numbers or no secret code, twisting of scripture isnt good. You say you have the truth and we dont and say you are a teacher. But you say Jesus has returned…scripture says beware of scoffers who say Jesus has returned already…and it says more about how we will know the day (2nd Peter 3). You say 'I am' is evil and bad speaking.. The words 'I am' is all through the new testement, Jesus used those words. You say something about a godhead and satan being killed from it ? Scripture says in Jude and Peter to beware of people who speak things against the glorious ones without knowing what they are saying.Etc
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 21 2010,09:42) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2010,06:16) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,12:33) Hi Terraricca, edj
you are the twister of scriptures ,your comment is without value,;;
Heb 9:27 People have to die once. After that, God will judge them.
Heb 9:28 In the same way, Christ was offered up once. He took away the sins of many people.
He will also come a second time. At that time he will not suffer for sin. Instead, he will come to bring salvation to those who are waiting for himand as for the next scripture you quote;;Jn 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love him. We will come to him and make our home with him.
it seems you did not reach that point yet,you have a problem to obey Gods words,you like to make people obey you and your blah,blah
Pierre
False!I teach people to reject the blah blah! (Click Here)
Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name,
saying, 'i am'; and shall deceive many.
Ed, we believe scripture, there is no mysterious calculating of letters and numbers or no secret code, twisting of scripture isnt good. You say you have the truth and we dont and say you are a teacher. But you say Jesus has returned…scripture says beware of scoffers who say Jesus has returned already…and it says more about how we will know the day (2nd Peter 3). You say 'I am' is evil and bad speaking.. The words 'I am' is all through the new testement, Jesus used those words. You say something about a godhead and satan being killed from it ? Scripture says in Jude and Peter to beware of people who speak things against the glorious ones without knowing what they are saying.Etc
Hi Shimmer,Why are you saying…
Quote You say you have the truth and we dont and say you are a teacher
When did I tell you or anyone else that you don't have the truth?Why are you also misquoting Scripture?
2Peter 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?…Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Anyway, the word “within” in the verse you quoted is often translated as “among”, or “in your midst” – for the Greek word used could mean either thought. This is what NETNotes says about it: Luke 17:21 NET
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”Mike, ok, I looked at the Greek Interlinear, 'within you or in your midst' but there are different possibilities to what it means, according to Bible Commentaries,
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
1. The reign of God is “in the heart.” It does not come with pomp and splendor, like the reign of temporal kings, merely to control the external “actions” and strike the senses of people with awe, but it reigns in the heart by the law of God; it sets up its dominion over the passions, and brings every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.
2. The Messiah has come. John has ushered in the kingdom of God, and you are not to expect the appearance of the Messiah with great pomp and splendor, for he is now among you.
People's New Testament
17:21 A kingdom that has its throne in the heart, on which Christ, the King, sits. It has to be formed by yielding our hearts to Christ.
Wesley's Notes
17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here, or lo there – This shall not be the language of those who are, or shall be sent by me, to declare the coming of my kingdom. For behold the kingdom of God is within or among you – it is now in the midst of you: it is come: it is present in the soul of every true believer: it is a spiritual kingdom, an internal principle. Wherever it exists, it exists in the heart.
Scofield Reference Notes
Gr. entos= “in the midst.” It could not be said of a self-righteous, Christ rejecting pharisee, that the kingdom of God, as to its spiritual content, was within him. Our Lord's whole answer, designedly enigmatic to the Pharisees (cf) Mt 13:10-13 had a dispensational meaning. The kingdom in its outward form, as covenanted to David 2Sam 7:8-17 and described by the prophets See Scofield Note: “Zech 12:8” had been rejected by the Jews; Song that, during this present age, it would not “come with observation” (lit. “outward show”) but in the hearts of men (cf) Lk 19:11,12 Acts 1:6-8.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Within you-is of an internal and spiritual character (as contrasted with their outside views of it). But it has its external side too.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2010,06:42) Irene………..Why did not Jesus ever say He was a “SPIRIT BEING” before he ever came to earth then” If it is there lets see it, Your speculations mean nothing if (SPECIFIC) Scripture do not say that , it then is just your speculation based on your religion views. IMO peace and love………………………..gene
Gene! First of all, when Jesus was first brought fourth by His Father, He was with His Father.Pro 8:22 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, [as]a master craftsman one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;
God cannot look at anything that is of flesh now……. We all have fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus was in Heaven with the glory of God., as a master craftsman do know how hard it is for you to believe this, but first God always had wisdom, if you are going there. And wisdom is not a master craftsman. in
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
and
Rev 3:14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
and
Jhn 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
In these verses Jesus is saying this. Remember that no flesh can inherit the Kingdom of God, and the glory that He is speaking of is that He was a Spirit Being and went back to being a Spirit being.
Also
2Pe 1:1 ¶ Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Christ now is divine and can no longer die, and that is why I also
l can say that He will come back as a Spirit Being. He is like His Father, yet Jehovah God is greater then He is….Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I believe that this Scripture is somewhat misleading, yet it does say that Christ will come with power and great glory. The same as it says in John 17:5 the glory which He went back to His Father with….. If we believe that flesh cannot inherit His Kingdom, then we also have to believe that the glory Christ is talking About is a Spirit Being. And remember what it says in Co. 1:15 He was created in the image of Almighty God.
Georg has helped me understand greatly and most I have found in Scriptures that Georg taught me. Also t8 believes as well as we do. He also has a good article on this subject, you might look at that too….
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Shimmer,
Good homework there, sister. If the Kingdom of God is within you right now, will you just live forever on this earth in the midst of rapists and murderers? Is what you have within you all there is? Or do you long to see lambs laying down with lions in some beatiful paradise?
Jesus rules over the Kingdom of God for 1000 years………..but he has others who help him rule. Are those others also ruling in you right now? Are they ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel inside your heart? What are they saying to the tribe of Judah right now?
While I agree one begins their journey to God's Kingdom by letting God and Jesus rule over their hearts and minds, I also believe that the present heaven and earth shall disolve and a new one will be made for us, in which the physical Kingdom of God will be. In that Kingdom, we can walk around New Jerusalem singing praises to our God and our King all day…….for there will be no night.
peace and love,
mikeP.S. Shimmer,
Are you starting to like that “NETNotes” kind of stuff now? It's cool to research and know more about what you're talking about, isnt' it?
Hi Ed.
You said,
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,11:13) Why are you saying… Quote You say you have the truth and we dont and say you are a teacher
When did I tell you or anyone else that you don't have the truth?I will reword that, you say you are right, you say we are wrong. In some things. You also have a book which you try to have people read, though many people here stand by what they believe, some of the things you say are really different?
you said,
Quote Why are you also misquoting Scripture?
2Peter 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?…You need to read the whole chapter.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2010,16:11) P.S. Shimmer, Are you starting to like that “NETNotes” kind of stuff now? It's cool to research and know more about what you're talking about, isnt' it?
I suppose so ? The 'netnotes' is better than the one I usually use, I like the drop down menu and the Greek, thanks.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2010,16:10) Hi Shimmer, Good homework there, sister. If the Kingdom of God is within you right now, will you just live forever on this earth in the midst of rapists and murderers? Is what you have within you all there is? Or do you long to see lambs laying down with lions in some beatiful paradise?
Jesus rules over the Kingdom of God for 1000 years………..but he has others who help him rule. Are those others also ruling in you right now? Are they ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel inside your heart? What are they saying to the tribe of Judah right now?
While I agree one begins their journey to God's Kingdom by letting God and Jesus rule over their hearts and minds, I also believe that the present heaven and earth shall disolve and a new one will be made for us, in which the physical Kingdom of God will be. In that Kingdom, we can walk around New Jerusalem singing praises to our God and our King all day…….for there will be no night.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike, I'm amillenial, the “thousand years” means something completly different to me.http://www.apocalipsis.org/t20-amillennialist.htm
I agree with the rest of what you say.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2010,15:10) Hi Shimmer, Good homework there, sister. If the Kingdom of God is within you right now, will you just live forever on this earth in the midst of rapists and murderers? Is what you have within you all there is? Or do you long to see lambs laying down with lions in some beatiful paradise?
Jesus rules over the Kingdom of God for 1000 years………..but he has others who help him rule. Are those others also ruling in you right now? Are they ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel inside your heart? What are they saying to the tribe of Judah right now?
While I agree one begins their journey to God's Kingdom by letting God and Jesus rule over their hearts and minds, I also believe that the present heaven and earth shall disolve and a new one will be made for us, in which the physical Kingdom of God will be. In that Kingdom, we can walk around New Jerusalem singing praises to our God and our King all day…….for there will be no night.
peace and love,
mike
Mike! I want to say something to you about what you said to shimmer about what the Kingdom of God will be after the Millennium. When God will come down with the New Jerusalem. God always has been a Spirit Being and divine. So is Jesus. I don't read in Rev. that He will be any differed then what He is now. There will be Humans then, but a multitude of Spirit Beings that will stand in front of God's Throne that will worship Him day and night…..Can you show me a Scripture that says that Almighty God will walk amongst Human Men.
look at my post to Gene, I quote 2 Peter and it says that we will share in the divinity that God and Jesus Christ has now…..
If they are divine , will they ever be a Human being again? I don't know about that……
Peace and Love IreneMike…………You are in error if you think the kingdom of GOD is not withing a person, I checked out your Net source and even there they give the Greek word meaning as Within YOU twice and among you once, Why do force text to try to meet you personal view , every one should understand the Kingdom of God is within a person. Even if you use your false view as the kingdom of God was among them , How was it among them was it not because the Kingdom of GOD was (IN) Jesus. Why would you even want to think the kingdom of God was not within a person in the first place.
You are also in error thinking Jesus will rule over the kingdom of GOD for a thousand Years, Jesus will come with the power of GOD to establish in HIS 1000 year Rule as King of Israel and the earth and rule in Jerusalem over The Kingdom of David that is the Kingdom He will rule over not the kingdom of GOD , you can't rule over what is in the Hearts and minds of people. Those in the Kingdom of GOD are those Who are under rule of GOD in there heart and minds. “FOR I WILL TAKE OUT OF YOU THE STONY (HEART) AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH AND WRITE MY LAWS IN YOU INWARD PARTS , AND I WILL BE YOU GOD AND YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE” AND AGAIN ?THE GENTILES WHO HAVE NOT THE LAW BUT DO THE THINGS CONTAINED IN THE SHOW THE LAWS OF GOD WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS”>
Jesus will come and set up the His Kingdom on earth a {Physical} kingdom. and rule over this world for a thousand years, but the only ones that are in the kingdom in that Period are Jesus and the Saints no one else is and they Jesus and the Saints will rule in the earth for a thousand years and then it will be turned over to GOD the FATHER , That GOD and Be ALL and (IN) ALL. GOD rule within a person not outside outside him. “for the kingdom of God comes not with (OBSERVATION) it is (WITHIN) YOU.
Notice Jesus said whosoever overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in (MY) Kingdom even as I have over come and Sit in My FATHERS KINGDOM> Get it, two different Kingdoms, one of Jesus and the or the LORD GODS>Who takes over Jesus' kingdom at the end of the thousand year period.
My real question to you is Why would even want to think GODS Kingdom in (not within) a person in the first place. First make the cup clean on the (INSIDE) that it might be clean also on the outside. GET IT , God cleans us up starting from the inside and then the outside will be clean also.
peace and love…………………………..gene
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 21 2010,22:29) Hi Ed. You said,
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,11:13) Why are you saying… Quote You say you have the truth and we dont and say you are a teacher
When did I tell you or anyone else that you don't have the truth?I will reword that, you say you are right, you say we are wrong. In some things. You also have a book which you try to have people read, though many people here stand by what they believe, some of the things you say are really different?
you said,
Quote Why are you also misquoting Scripture?
2Peter 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?…You need to read the whole chapter.
Hi Shimmer,I don't tell people they are wrong either!
Where do you come up with this stuff?The scoffers in 2Peter 3 are saying nothing has changed.
But we are entering into the “Feast of Tabernacles”, what
The Bible calls the day of the LORD; there will be much change!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgIrene ………… You first quote me asking you a question and then proceed to totally ignore it and start on you own beliefs , Why not just answer the question ,”Where did (JESUS) (EVERY) Say (HE) was a SPIRIT BEING” either Now or in the PAST, DON'T START ON THE LONG TWISTED TALE TO TRY TO ELUDE THE QUESTION or force the text to meet you views. Be specific and answer it with Just ONE SCRIPTURE if YOU CAN. Scripture say GOD Created (EVERYTHING) by himself and alone. But you say Jesus did it, and you say Jesus is the Wisdom of GOD in Psalms when in fact wisdom is being metaphorically use, as a personification and even at that is its said to be a SHE and Jesus was not a women but a man. Irene why just force text to say what in fact it is not really saying. That is what Mystery religion does it makes things out of thing that are not specifically said, as it they are sporadically said. IMO
peace and love to you and Georg………………………………………gene
Gene! I gave you Scriptures, but you just can't understand them. When He is the firstborn of all creation and was in Heaven with His Father before the word was. He was a Spirit Being. No flesh and blood has ever seen Almighty God. John in
Jhn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.And
Jhn 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Almighty God is Spirit and Jesus was and is Spirit right now. I also gave you 2 Peter which you just deny. Jesus is divine and will never die again. And all those who will be Spirit Beings will share in that divinity…..You must not have read all of my last post to you because I explained it all then…….
That's all, believe what you want. I tried but it is no good because you don't want to see it our ways. Even t8 and I also said to you to maybe get His article see what He says, did you? I tell you the only reason that I am going to answer again, is because of the Guests…..Peace IreneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 22 2010,08:15) Irene ………… You first quote me asking you a question and then proceed to totally ignore it and start on you own beliefs , Why not just answer the question ,”Where did (JESUS) (EVERY) Say (HE) was a SPIRIT BEING” either Now or in the PAST, DON'T START ON THE LONG TWISTED TALE TO TRY TO ELUDE THE QUESTION or force the text to meet you views. Be specific and answer it with Just ONE SCRIPTURE if YOU CAN. Scripture say GOD Created (EVERYTHING) by himself and alone. But you say Jesus did it, and you say Jesus is the Wisdom of GOD in Psalms when in fact wisdom is being metaphorically use, as a personification and even at that is its said to be a SHE and Jesus was not a women but a man. Irene why just force text to say what in fact it is not really saying. That is what Mystery religion does it makes things out of thing that are not specifically said, as it they are sporadically said. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………………………gene
geneyou do not have a reading problem but you have understanding problem ,
if you can understand this it will help you,if not ,who can help you
read this;;Jas 1:2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds,
Jas 1:3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.
Jas 1:4 Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
Jas 1:6 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.
Jas 1:7 That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord;
Jas 1:8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he doesit is Christ spirit in scriptures that open our eyes.
Pierre
Gene,
Why are you stressing Irene?She has answered honesty, sincerely and, more importantly, Scripturally.
The answers she gives are rock solid. Only one who desires to disbelieve would continue to refute them.
The Scriptures also says, 'the first man was from the the earth, the second is from heaven', 'first the flesh, then the Spirit'.
What more do you need to believe? Except that 'belief' is not your aim, is it. All you heart, mind and soul is bent on refuting Truth, from whereever it comes.
What if we were to agree with you. We would need to become a liar to ourselves. Our spirit would cry out to us everytime we try to bend Scriptures to adopt your line of thought. We would have to consult you for guidance on how to get round valid scriptural truths. You become as a 'God' to us!
Is that what you seek? I hope not, i hope you are simply misled, that it is not of your own thought that you seek to mislead others.
Clear the hurdle of preExistence of Jesus. Scriptures says so, but does not go into detail…
I have said before, God did not expose his son because this is exactly what would happen: people, the people, would seek to glorify 'Jesus' as a God.God, wisely abstained from promoting the one who would be king until the time was right, the fullness of time, as it were.
How does a car manufacturer launch a new car? They create it in secret but leak little bits of information concerning it. They allow a 'secret' glimpse of it's power, style, colour, engine size, but nothing that anyone can build a complete picture about. Why?
And then suddenly, it is launched. And it does everything that was written about it, everything that was said concerning it…and yet some disbdlieve that it is the same one, and they look for another.
And some say, it is not even that. That there never was one, it was just hype, and it is the same as any other car, just with a different skin, maybe.
Yet the evidence is clear…You want some clarity?
check the similarity!
Your mind is in poverty
If you don't see it, indefaticably
It must be a strain
You must be in pain
It doesn't take a slueth
To accept God's Holy Truth.
So i suggest this recital
'Go reRead your Bible'
It is kinda demanding
To gain wisdom, truth and understanding.
But if you persist
And not resist
If you assist
And permit
you will receive a gift:
A Blessing from The Holy Spirit.JustAskin!Thank you for that post. I just hope and will pray for Gene, that He will in the future understand what we do. We might have to wait however until Christ returns. Then only the truth will be taught….If you then rebel against it, that's it. I do my best to make it clear to others and those Scriptures that I did give are good Scriptures. I gave them to Him before and He just doesn't understand. I have no idea why!!!!!! I had already made up my mind, before you made your post, to tell Gene, that is it, I am not going to explain any further. There is a Scripture that tell us not to do so…One more thing, I am so blessed with my Husband, when He studies, before He does, He always ask God for His Wisdom. Since He retired He has spend four hours at the time with Holy Scriptures. He has a good knowledge of Ancient History too, and it helps Him with Prophecy which He enjoys…..If we ask for wisdom God will give it to us……
Peace and Love IreneAll, sorry about some of my confusion lately.
I guess theres times we see things clearly, and times we dont understand. Times to listen to others, times not to. Truths that people have, truths that people dont have, times to be quiet and times to speak.
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