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Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2010,17:30) Gene, Logos is translated as Word. But it is much more than mere words and includes, reason, wisdom, etc. It is a divine expression and guess what? Jesus is the fullest (visible) expression of God. Even the attribute of wisdom was given birth and was the craftsman at God's side. This ties in with the Logos was WITH God. And again, that Wisdom and the Logos were what God created all things through. And we know that Jesus is Wisdom from God and the Logos of God. Finally scripture even confirms that God made all things through Jesus Christ in case you had any doubt.
T8……….The Word (Logos), (ONLY) means WORD trying to make it be more then what it is , is exactly what Preexistences do. A fool can speak a word (Logos) no matter how stupid he or she is. So get off this worshiping of the word “Logos”, A word is the (EXPRESSION OF INTELLECT) NO MATTER WHAT THE INTELLECT IS NOTHING MORE nothing less.Gods word are divine because God is Davine. Jesus spoke (GODS) DIVINE WORDS TO US>
T8……….Read what EDJ has Just posted it may help you understand.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,06:41) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2010,02:13) T8……….So you do agree then that a Word is Part of the man himself right. OK now If i sent a person to you telling you my Words, are those words HIS or MINE. Gods Words are a part of God not someone else no matter who speaks them. Gods words were given to Jesus to speak them to us. But they were (NOT HIS WORDS) He was speaking, so he himself is (NOT) the Words He Spoke, He spoke GOD'S Words to US Not HIS WORDS. Those words came to Be in this flesh man Jesus and this flesh man spoke them to us, Just like the prophets did that does not, make them the WORD they spoke because it did not originate from them. Those word can be in us as well as they were in Jesus by the same Spirit. T8……….Can't you see you shift the Glory from GOD the FATHER to Jesus a MAN , God indeed was (IN) HIM but that does not makes HIM the GOD that Was (IN) HIM, that is the Same with the WORD He Spoke to US they were (NOT) HIS WORDS, But trying to make Jesus be the WORD He spoke Himself is stealing Glory fro GOD, And God give his glory to NO MAN> If you believe there is ONE GOD you do well and If you believe Jesus represent that GOD you are right , but if you believe Jesus is the GOD he represented you are in error even if you believe He is the word He spoke you are still in error. Jesus is the Spokesman of GOD to US He is the First (BORN) from man kind to enter into eternal life a Perfect Example to Us in EVERY WAY. What i would like to know is why do so many separates Jesus from themselves as some one so different. The false teaching of the Trinitarians and Preexistences are the teaching that (SEPARATE) us from Jesus and they work God has done in the man Jesus, these teaching are indeed Antichrist.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,No matter how much Scripture Is presented illustrating “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”,
at the end of the day (it seems) that the systems of religions win out with some?The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.This is the truth of the matter
; but still I must endeavor to try!
It's a Good thing that this point is NOT critical to their salvation!John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting (John 17:3 / John 3:16):
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.John 14:24 HAS THE SAME WORDING “The Word” AS IN JOHN 1:1!
Why is these FACTS overlooked or diminished by some believers?John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and “The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear
is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
EDJ………..Good Point why do they not believe it, it surely is written. One reason is because they have made Jesus more the a SON OF MAN, in their minds and can not even relate with Him on any level it appears. Good Post.peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:51) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 25 2010,21:22) t8 I find it so ironic when you corner them with logic, they won't respond, at least not until now. Time will tell if Gene will or not….Even Rev. `9:13-16 didn't make a difference to Him. Just denying or He will not answer at all…..Peace Irene
Hi Irene,You mean like you continually ignoring Scripture I present to you?
“Father: The Word“ = “HolySpirit“
Isaiah means: “Ya (YHVH=63) is Savior”
Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him
that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15);
and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample
them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will
stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the
people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to
the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to
all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which
he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-
kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his
pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and
vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them.The “HolySpirit” is indeed “The Word”! Why don't you at least try to refute this since you don't believe? (Mark 4:12)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed! The reason that I do not respond to you is because of your numbers. I simple don't agree with that. The Bible is not written in numbers. So I don't even read ,most of your posts…..I know that you believe that The Word is the Holy Spirit and therefore I don't agree with you…… And this is the only time I will respond to you. Just remember that. Just like I am doing this with Martian and Gene. You dont want to know the truth, and interpret Scriptures to your opinions, that I disagree with. Jesus is The Word of God and He was with His Father in Heaven before the world was, by Jesus own words…..The Holy Spirit is not a person and John 1:14 The Word of God became flesh, not the Holy Spirit, that is the Spirit of Jehovah God…..The Holy Spirit is also living in us, which we received at Baptism…..God's Holy Spirit is not a person. Read Rev. 18:13-16 it explains it what Jesus was and is now and will come again as The Word of God and KING OF KINGS ND LORD OF LORDS. God and The Word is a title, Yashua is Jesus name and was His name and Jesus was His name when He was a man……But that you and others don't want to understand……one day you Will…..in closing I just want to say to you, this will be the only post to you on this subject and others. Did you read t8 post? He explains it very well…….Peace to you IreneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 26 2010,03:27) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,06:41) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 25 2010,02:13) T8……….So you do agree then that a Word is Part of the man himself right. OK now If i sent a person to you telling you my Words, are those words HIS or MINE. Gods Words are a part of God not someone else no matter who speaks them. Gods words were given to Jesus to speak them to us. But they were (NOT HIS WORDS) He was speaking, so he himself is (NOT) the Words He Spoke, He spoke GOD'S Words to US Not HIS WORDS. Those words came to Be in this flesh man Jesus and this flesh man spoke them to us, Just like the prophets did that does not, make them the WORD they spoke because it did not originate from them. Those word can be in us as well as they were in Jesus by the same Spirit. T8……….Can't you see you shift the Glory from GOD the FATHER to Jesus a MAN , God indeed was (IN) HIM but that does not makes HIM the GOD that Was (IN) HIM, that is the Same with the WORD He Spoke to US they were (NOT) HIS WORDS, But trying to make Jesus be the WORD He spoke Himself is stealing Glory fro GOD, And God give his glory to NO MAN> If you believe there is ONE GOD you do well and If you believe Jesus represent that GOD you are right , but if you believe Jesus is the GOD he represented you are in error even if you believe He is the word He spoke you are still in error. Jesus is the Spokesman of GOD to US He is the First (BORN) from man kind to enter into eternal life a Perfect Example to Us in EVERY WAY. What i would like to know is why do so many separates Jesus from themselves as some one so different. The false teaching of the Trinitarians and Preexistences are the teaching that (SEPARATE) us from Jesus and they work God has done in the man Jesus, these teaching are indeed Antichrist.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Hi Gene,No matter how much Scripture Is presented illustrating “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”,
at the end of the day (it seems) that the systems of religions win out with some?The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.This is the truth of the matter
; but still I must endeavor to try!
It's a Good thing that this point is NOT critical to their salvation!John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting (John 17:3 / John 3:16):
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.John 14:24 HAS THE SAME WORDING “The Word” AS IN JOHN 1:1!
Why is these FACTS overlooked or diminished by some believers?John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and “The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear
is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
EDJ………..Good Point why do they not believe it, it surely is written. One reason is because they have made Jesus more the a SON OF MAN, in their minds and can not even relate with Him on any level it appears. Good Post.peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Hi Gene, do you and Ed both believe the same, that the word is the Holy Spirit ? Just interested.To All! Jesus is not only the Son of man, He is also the Son f God, and not a mere man/ How could a mere man go into the Temple at age 12 and preach like Jesus did? He also told us many times in Scriptures that He came form heaven to do the will of His Father who send Him. And He said that He had a glory with God before the world was, and to that He wanted to go back to, which He did. Not only to that glory , He now has immortality and will never die again, that was His reward for dying for us…..He is the firstborn of all creation ant through Him all was created, nothing that was created without Him. Scriptures say so….However He hurt like us, He was hungry like us, He was sleepy like us. But He had God's Holy Spirit full strength. He knew where He came from and went back to sit at the right hand of His Father, and will come again as KING OF KINGS ND LORD OF LORDS….. Andi He WILL STRIKE THE NATIONS WITH A ROD OF IREN AND THE FIERSNESS AND WRATH OF Almighty GOD.
I am forever thankful to Jehovah God for sending His only begotten Son, to die for us, so we can live…..Amen and Amen
Peace IreneQuote (Baker @ Sep. 26 2010,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:51) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 25 2010,21:22) t8 I find it so ironic when you corner them with logic, they won't respond, at least not until now. Time will tell if Gene will or not….Even Rev. `9:13-16 didn't make a difference to Him. Just denying or He will not answer at all…..Peace Irene
Hi Irene,You mean like you continually ignoring Scripture I present to you?
“Father: The Word“ = “HolySpirit“
Isaiah means: “Ya (YHVH=63) is Savior”
Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him
that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15);
and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample
them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will
stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the
people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to
the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to
all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which
he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-
kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his
pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and
vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them.The “HolySpirit” is indeed “The Word”! Why don't you at least try to refute this since you don't believe? (Mark 4:12)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed! The reason that I do not respond to you is because of your numbers. I simple don't agree with that. The Bible is not written in numbers. So I don't even read ,most of your posts…..I know that you believe that The Word is the Holy Spirit and therefore I don't agree with you…… (1)And this is the only time I will respond to you. Just remember that. Just like I am doing this with Martian and Gene. (2)You dont want to know the truth, and interpret Scriptures to your opinions, that I disagree with. Jesus is The Word of God and He was with His Father in Heaven before the world was, by Jesus own words…..The Holy Spirit is not a person and John 1:14 The Word of God became flesh, not the Holy Spirit, that is the Spirit of Jehovah God…..The Holy Spirit is also living in us, which we received at Baptism…..God's Holy Spirit is not a person. (3) Read Rev. 18:13-16 it explains it what Jesus was and is now and will come again as The Word of God and KING OF KINGS ND LORD OF LORDS. God and The Word is a title, Yashua is Jesus name and was His name and Jesus was His name when He was a man……But that you and others don't want to understand……one day you Will…..in closing I just want to say to you, this will be the only post to you on this subject and others. Did you read t8 post? He explains it very well…….Peace to you Irene
Hi Irene,1) I don't believe for one minute that you will hold to this!
2) What makes you believe your views are infallible truth?
3) Rev. 18:13-16 explains what?Rev. 18:13-16 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense,
and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses,
and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. And the fruits that thy soul lusted after
are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from
thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. The merchants of these things, which were
made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, And
saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and
decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed, do you and Gene both believe the same (Holy Spirit is the word)…..and wheres your differences ? Thanks.
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 26 2010,19:35) Hi Ed, do you and Gene both believe the same (Holy Spirit is the word)…..and wheres your differences ? Thanks.
Hi Shimmer,I can't answer for Gene in this matter,
The Scripture (I believe) clearly teaches
“The Word” is the HolySpirit. (Click Here)I do know that Gene does not believe what the systems
of religion and traditions of men teach regarding “The Word”.
My research also providing the evidence that “The Word” is God,
which is exactly what John 1:1, John 14:24 and John 12:49-50 say!English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God” ↔ “God” ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
YHVH(63) = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)Why would people put the systems of religion's teachings
above what “The Bible” clearly says “The Word” of God is?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOk, thanks Ed. I agree with “The word was with God and the Word was God”
I was just reading this,
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 26 2010,21:07) Ok, thanks Ed. I agree with “The word was with God and the Word was God” I was just reading this,
Hi Shimmer,What part of that link are you drawing our attention to?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (shimmer @ Sep. 26 2010,21:45) The whole page Ed, I was just reading it and found it interesting thats all,
Hi Shimmer,That article is the message the systems of religion have been circulating
for many years now, why would you place their opinions above Scripture?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTo All………God and His word are one and the same, Jesus said the Words He Spoke to us were Spirit and Life and indeed it is the expression of Life, a word comes from the mind of a person rather man or GOD, it is the expression of who they Are rather God or man. A man can not be separated from his words nor God from His words. A word drives its source from (INTELLECTS) and there are Seven Spirits (intellects) connected with POWERS, that compose (ONE) GOD . These Seven Spirit (Intellect) connected with power are what Crated all things that have life in them, they go forth from God into all the earth, these seven Spirit are now ON Jesus and He will use them to set up the Kingdom of GOD on the earth They are also the EYES That produce the Intellect in the Saints of GOD. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………..gene
Irene,
I uphold that which you wrote.
It is wholly Scriptural and true.
It is amazing that anyone can find fault with it.Continue in this vein and you will do well.
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 27 2010,02:48) Irene,
I uphold that which you wrote.
It is wholly Scriptural and true.
It is amazing that anyone can find fault with it.Continue in this vein and you will do well.
Thank you for your compliment, I just wish that all of our Brethren would come to that understanding. It is not my doing, but God's. I give God the Credit, and thanks and Honor Him with all my hearth. I am Human and I do make mistakes, I will always try my hardest to give what I can. God has been very good to us, since we left the Catholic Church. The truths that God has shown us is amazing to me. The only thing that I wish for is that all of our Children would come out of the worldly system like we did. But I can't do God's work for Him, only what He lets me do…… Best Wishes to you and yours, Peace IreneQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 27 2010,04:03) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 26 2010,19:35) Hi Ed, do you and Gene both believe the same (Holy Spirit is the word)…..and wheres your differences ? Thanks.
Hi Shimmer,I can't answer for Gene in this matter,
The Scripture (I believe) clearly teaches
“The Word” is the HolySpirit. (Click Here)I do know that Gene does not believe what the systems
of religion and traditions of men teach regarding “The Word”.
My research also providing the evidence that “The Word” is God,
which is exactly what John 1:1, John 14:24 and John 12:49-50 say!English ↔ Hebrew ↔ Greek
“Word of God” ↔ “God” ↔ “The Word”
“Word of God”(86) = (אלהים](86] = [ο λογος](86)th Prime Hō Lōgôs
YHVH(63) = ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = The Bible(63)Why would people put the systems of religion's teachings
above what “The Bible” clearly says “The Word” of God is?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edji think you are confusing the WORD in Jn 1;1
and the written words in all your scriptures you show as supposedly teach that the WORD is the Holy spirit.
sorry but you better go back to read the bible and receive understanding.
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,16:04) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 26 2010,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,21:51) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 25 2010,21:22) t8 I find it so ironic when you corner them with logic, they won't respond, at least not until now. Time will tell if Gene will or not….Even Rev. `9:13-16 didn't make a difference to Him. Just denying or He will not answer at all…..Peace Irene
Hi Irene,You mean like you continually ignoring Scripture I present to you?
“Father: The Word“ = “HolySpirit“
Isaiah means: “Ya (YHVH=63) is Savior”
Isaiah 63:2-10 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel(Jer.4:30), and thy garments like him
that treadeth in the winefat? I (HolySpirit) have trodden the winepress alone (Rev.19:15);
and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample
them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments(Rev.19:13), and I will
stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me(Job.40:10-14); and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the
people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength(Ez.28:9) to
the earth. I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, and the praises of the LORD, according to
all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which
he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his loving-
kindnesses. For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Savior.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his
pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and
vexed his HolySpirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he(HolySpirit) fought against them.The “HolySpirit” is indeed “The Word”! Why don't you at least try to refute this since you don't believe? (Mark 4:12)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed! The reason that I do not respond to you is because of your numbers. I simple don't agree with that. The Bible is not written in numbers. So I don't even read ,most of your posts…..I know that you believe that The Word is the Holy Spirit and therefore I don't agree with you…… (1)And this is the only time I will respond to you. Just remember that. Just like I am doing this with Martian and Gene. (2)You dont want to know the truth, and interpret Scriptures to your opinions, that I disagree with. Jesus is The Word of God and He was with His Father in Heaven before the world was, by Jesus own words…..The Holy Spirit is not a person and John 1:14 The Word of God became flesh, not the Holy Spirit, that is the Spirit of Jehovah God…..The Holy Spirit is also living in us, which we received at Baptism…..God's Holy Spirit is not a person. (3) Read Rev. 18:13-16 it explains it what Jesus was and is now and will come again as The Word of God and KING OF KINGS ND LORD OF LORDS. God and The Word is a title, Yashua is Jesus name and was His name and Jesus was His name when He was a man……But that you and others don't want to understand……one day you Will…..in closing I just want to say to you, this will be the only post to you on this subject and others. Did you read t8 post? He explains it very well…….Peace to you Irene
Hi Irene,1) I don't believe for one minute that you will hold to this!
2) What makes you believe your views are infallible truth?
3) Rev. 18:13-16 explains what?Rev. 18:13-16 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense,
and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses,
and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. And the fruits that thy soul lusted after
are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from
thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. The merchants of these things, which were
made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, And
saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and
decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed! It s not Rev. 18 that tells me about Jesus being KING OF KINGS ND LORD OF LORDS. It is Rev. 19:13-16 where Jesus is explained that He is The Word of God and has a robe on dipped in blood. Who else would fit that description?
? Nobody that I know who will come to smite the nations with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God…..Peace IreneIrene………The President of the United States has the power to launch Nuclear Missiles that could destory the earth and it's inhabitants , he is the Commander and Chief of all our Armed Forces. He has the highest authority in the Land. Now tell me is he any different then you are. While He has great Honor as the President, he none the less is Just a Pure Human Being who has been given that Great Authority. He did not create it on his own he is not one bit different then any other human being on this earth. His position of power may be , but he himself is Not. The same thing with Jesus and US. He is a pure Human Being always was and alway will be.
God could have given Authority to anyone else instead of Jesus, in fact it says WE are JOINT Heirs with Christ Jesus , He is OUR Brother, and In Daniel It say the Saints Shall Posses the Kingdom of GOD (FOREVER). God can give Power and Authority to whom ever He choses it makes not difference who that person is and because that person has that authority does (NOT) make Him (ANY) different the WE ARE. “AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THE EARTH”. Your act of moving Jesus' identity away from our identity with him is ANTICHRIST teachings. That is the very SPIRIT (intellect) of Antichrist it is the SPIRIT of (SEPARATION) created by false teaching about Who and What Jesus is. Irene Trinitarians and Preexistences are both one and the same they both create a (SEPERATION) between Jesus and ourselves.
peace and love to you and Georg…………………………………………gene
Gene,
Be careful how you use the term 'We' in reference to those mentioned in Scriptures, namely, the Saints, the Apostles, the Disciples, the 144,000.Do not frivolously name yourself among them, it is not your place to set your own seat at the table of grace.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 28 2010,03:21) Irene………The President of the United States has the power to launch Nuclear Missiles that could destory the earth and it's inhabitants , he is the Commander and Chief of all our Armed Forces. He has the highest authority in the Land. Now tell me is he any different then you are. While He has great Honor as the President, he none the less is Just a Pure Human Being who has been given that Great Authority. He did not create it on his own he is not one bit different then any other human being on this earth. His position of power may be , but he himself is Not. The same thing with Jesus and US. He is a pure Human Being always was and alway will be. God could have given Authority to anyone else instead of Jesus, in fact it says WE are JOINT Heirs with Christ Jesus , He is OUR Brother, and In Daniel It say the Saints Shall Posses the Kingdom of GOD (FOREVER). God can give Power and Authority to whom ever He choses it makes not difference who that person is and because that person has that authority does (NOT) make Him (ANY) different the WE ARE. “AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THE EARTH”. Your act of moving Jesus' identity away from our identity with him is ANTICHRIST teachings. That is the very SPIRIT (intellect) of Antichrist it is the SPIRIT of (SEPARATION) created by false teaching about Who and What Jesus is. Irene Trinitarians and Preexistences are both one and the same they both create a (SEPERATION) between Jesus and ourselves.
peace and love to you and Georg…………………………………………gene
Gene! The Saints that will sit with Christ in the Millenium will be those that died for Christ, in the first three century's. We do not qualify. We will, if it is God's will, inherit the earth. The meek. Be very careful how you put yourself in a position of a Saint. No one can do so, it is God's Job and not ours….We can consider ourselves lucky just to be in His Kingdom……. You asked if Christ is any different then we are? Of course He is. Do you consider yourself a King? He is KING OF KINGSD NAD LORD OF LORDS. He is also the literal Son of God, who came forth from Jehovah God, and not out of the dust of the earth, like we did. Just being the literal Son of God makes Him different. And He had to be to not sin and die a cruel death. For all for us, and you want to compare Him to us? Are you out of your mind…You really need to study this and ask for wisdom before you do so. It is God who opens our minds to the truth, and the truth is, by Jesus own words that He came down from Heaven to do the will of Him who send Him. Scriptures already given, and you want also to just ignore those Scriptures. I said this before I hope that you stop addressing anything to me in the future. You jut want to do your own thing… That is not according to Scripture. Christ was never just a mere man, He existed before the world was, by His own words in John 17:5.. …….Irene
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