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Quote (t8 @ Aug. 14 2010,19:53) Let's be clear. When Jesus existed in the form of God (divine nature), he wasn't called Jesus.
He was given his name when he was born as a man, (after he emptied himself).No, we know that the mystery of Christ is a mystery and we know that we look through a glass darkly.
If the Old Testament said that God was going to send the one that he created all things through, then that is paramount to telling the enemy what your plan is, and then you give him/them a chance to counter your plan.
No God said he would crush the serpents head, and he sent his firstborn of all creation to do the unthinkable.
1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.So saying that Jesus is not mentioned as being with God and coming to earth and dying etc, is a mute point. There is a good reason that God didn't divulge his plan.
So the foolishness of God, defeated the wisdom of the rulers of this age.
Hi t8, How funny!YOU:
Let's be clear….we look thru a glass darkly.
One mystery of Christ that was hidden but now revealed is that the Holy Spirit in us, split the veil of the temple separating the Jews from Gentiles. We, the elect, are now joined with God's chosen people and are no longer two people but ONE.
Another mystery is all of the truths HIDDEN in Jesus. God gave us the clues and information to know Him and His son better and all you guys want to do is deny the mysteries God is chosing to reveal to you.
For us that accept what is written we get to enjoy the full flavor of knowing God and His son. For you that don't accept the Bible will forever be “proving” that firstborn and begotten don't mean what was written and that the son of God didn't exist in the past with God.
If Jesus didn't pre-exist his birth thru Mary, who was with God in the beginning?
When did Jesus become, “The son of God”?
When he was born thru Mary he was the “Son of Man”.
Why don't you guys post your beliefs in “Member's Profiles” so we can try to get a handle of how confused you are? Then we can address your beliefs in depth and put Scripture for Scripture what the truth may be.
Actually God's plan has been outlined in all of God's Holy Days that the Jews celebrate and keep. And He even divulged how He is going to end the world.
Thank God that they were blinded and didn't understand what they were doing. If the Jews had accepted Jesus and followed him we would not be candidates for Salvation.
t8 That is true, Jesus defeated Satan. Hallelujah.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1Jo 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
The Professor
dbf……….God's Word the expression of His thoughts was with him the same as our words are with us. Have you joined the Trinitarians and Preexistences and simple rewrote scripture taking out the Word (WORD) and replacing it with JESUS, O Well I guise poor old stupid JOHN forgot how to spell Jesus there, so you people just are helping him out right? And the hypocrisy about it all is you same People go around accusing other of doing exactly what you are doing , SIMPLY AMAZING!
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,13:40) dbf……….God's Word the expression of His thoughts was with him the same as our words are with us. Have you joined the Trinitarians and Preexistences and simple rewrote scripture taking out the Word (WORD) and replacing it with JESUS, O Well I guise poor old stupid JOHN forgot how to spell Jesus there, so you people just are helping him out right? And the hypocrisy about it all is you same People go around accusing other of doing exactly what you are doing , SIMPLY AMAZING!
Hello Gene,I've actually joined the Bereans and search the Scriptures daily. Why don't you try it?
Again if the “word” was part of God, like his arm or leg it would not be a separate “entity” and would not use the word WITH. It can't get much simpler than that. Try again.
Jhn 1:2 (footnote) He* was in the beginning with God.
Footnote- * (1:2) Literally…. This one
Not this thing (word)!However, IMO if “Word” is the NAME of God's son (before he was Yahshau) then he could be WITH God (in the beginning). Word would also be a great description of his function which names commonly represented:
Yahshua: Salvation from God
Messiach: Anointed One.Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God's love) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Your post: Still no Scripture from you, just personal attacks.
By the way, if you don't own a bible you can go to:
blb.org
enter the verse you want and then hit the blue box “v” and over 20 different translations are available for you to compare.net.bible.org
We really would love for you to learn.
Don't get angry or frustrated, just take out the “sword” and get even.
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,13:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,13:40) dbf……….God's Word the expression of His thoughts was with him the same as our words are with us. Have you joined the Trinitarians and Preexistences and simple rewrote scripture taking out the Word (WORD) and replacing it with JESUS, O Well I guise poor old stupid JOHN forgot how to spell Jesus there, so you people just are helping him out right? And the hypocrisy about it all is you same People go around accusing other of doing exactly what you are doing , SIMPLY AMAZING!
Hello Gene,I've actually joined the Bereans and search the Scriptures daily. Why don't you try it?
Again if the “word” was part of God, like his arm or leg it would not be a separate “entity” and would not use the word WITH. It can't get much simpler than that. Try again.
Jhn 1:2 (footnote) He* was in the beginning with God.
Footnote- * (1:2) Literally…. This one
Not this thing (word)!However, IMO if “Word” is the NAME of God's son (before he was Yahshau) then he could be WITH God (in the beginning). Word would also be a great description of his function which names commonly represented:
Yahshua: Salvation from God
Messiach: Anointed One.Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God's love) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Your post: Still no Scripture from you, just personal attacks.
By the way, if you don't own a bible you can go to:
blb.org
enter the verse you want and then hit the blue box “v” and over 20 different translations are available for you to compare.net.bible.org
We really would love for you to learn.
Don't get angry or frustrated, just take out the “sword” and get even.
The Professor
dffirst let make it clear ;THE WORD spoken in John1-1 is Jesus
your confusion lays because of not understanding scriptures,Jesus (WORD) is what Moses was to the children of Israel ,the word of God to them.
and so his Jesus the WORD to all creation but as the Christ to the Israelite and secondly to all men.Jhn 1:12 But as many(Jews) as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those(gentiles) who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His(works miracle) glory, glory(miracles work) as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth(word of God).
so God and Christ(the WORD) are two entities not one.
Pierre
Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING.
Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,03:42) Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING. Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
Gene,You're sooo confused dude! Jesus IS the Christ. What Bible are you reading man?
KJ
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,03:03) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,13:25)
Hello Gene,I've actually joined the Bereans and search the Scriptures daily. Why don't you try it?
Again if the “word” was part of God, like his arm or leg it would not be a separate “entity” and would not use the word WITH. It can't get much simpler than that. Try again.
Jhn 1:2 (footnote) He* was in the beginning with God.
Footnote- * (1:2) Literally…. This one
Not this thing (word)!However, IMO if “Word” is the NAME of God's son (before he was Yahshau) then he could be WITH God (in the beginning). Word would also be a great description of his function which names commonly represented:
Yahshua: Salvation from God
Messiach: Anointed One.Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God's love) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Your post: Still no Scripture from you, just personal attacks.
By the way, if you don't own a bible you can go to:
blb.org
enter the verse you want and then hit the blue box “v” and over 20 different translations are available for you to compare.net.bible.org
We really would love for you to learn.
Don't get angry or frustrated, just take out the “sword” and get even.
The Professor
dffirst let make it clear ;THE WORD spoken in John1-1 is Jesus
your confusion lays because of not understanding scriptures,Jesus (WORD) is what Moses was to the children of Israel ,the word of God to them.
and so his Jesus the WORD to all creation but as the Christ to the Israelite and secondly to all men.Jhn 1:12 But as many(Jews) as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those(gentiles) who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His(works miracle) glory, glory(miracles work) as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth(word of God).
so God and Christ(the WORD) are two entities not one.
Pierre
Hi DBF and Terraricca,Why do you keep bolstering the traditions of men? (Matt.15:5-9)
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.“HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“ … (Click Here)
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak.“The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”!
“The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime
meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!
Hebrew↔Greek
(86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime)
(ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs)(Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number!
(Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1)
“God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63.In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74;
also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74.
Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics
The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74).
In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!
“The Owner” > “Owner “
JEHOVAH > Jesus
86 > 74Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,05:21) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 14 2010,19:53) Let's be clear. When Jesus existed in the form of God (divine nature), he wasn't called Jesus.
He was given his name when he was born as a man, (after he emptied himself).No, we know that the mystery of Christ is a mystery and we know that we look through a glass darkly.
If the Old Testament said that God was going to send the one that he created all things through, then that is paramount to telling the enemy what your plan is, and then you give him/them a chance to counter your plan.
No God said he would crush the serpents head, and he sent his firstborn of all creation to do the unthinkable.
1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.So saying that Jesus is not mentioned as being with God and coming to earth and dying etc, is a mute point. There is a good reason that God didn't divulge his plan.
So the foolishness of God, defeated the wisdom of the rulers of this age.
Hi t8, How funny!YOU:
Let's be clear….we look thru a glass darkly.
One mystery of Christ that was hidden but now revealed is that the Holy Spirit in us, split the veil of the temple separating the Jews from Gentiles. We, the elect, are now joined with God's chosen people and are no longer two people but ONE.
Another mystery is all of the truths HIDDEN in Jesus. God gave us the clues and information to know Him and His son better and all you guys want to do is deny the mysteries God is chosing to reveal to you.
For us that accept what is written we get to enjoy the full flavor of knowing God and His son. For you that don't accept the Bible will forever be “proving” that firstborn and begotten don't mean what was written and that the son of God didn't exist in the past with God.
If Jesus didn't pre-exist his birth thru Mary, who was with God in the beginning?
When did Jesus become, “The son of God”?
When he was born thru Mary he was the “Son of Man”.
Why don't you guys post your beliefs in “Member's Profiles” so we can try to get a handle of how confused you are? Then we can address your beliefs in depth and put Scripture for Scripture what the truth may be.
Actually God's plan has been outlined in all of God's Holy Days that the Jews celebrate and keep. And He even divulged how He is going to end the world.
Thank God that they were blinded and didn't understand what they were doing. If the Jews had accepted Jesus and followed him we would not be candidates for Salvation.
t8 That is true, Jesus defeated Satan. Hallelujah.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1Jo 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
The Professor
@ davidbfunSorry I am cannot follow your post it is very confusing as to what it is that you are saying.
Maybe you could just quote the parts in my post that that you think are wrong?
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,09:58) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,03:42) Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING. Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
Gene,You're sooo confused dude! Jesus IS the Christ. What Bible are you reading man?
KJ
KJ…………..I know Jesus is (the ) Anointed one, or CHRISTOS, But the one (ANOINTED)is not himself the anointing he is anointed with. KJ………..I think you are the one thats soooooooo confused brother.peace and love……………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 17 2010,18:09) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,03:03) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,13:25)
Hello Gene,I've actually joined the Bereans and search the Scriptures daily. Why don't you try it?
Again if the “word” was part of God, like his arm or leg it would not be a separate “entity” and would not use the word WITH. It can't get much simpler than that. Try again.
Jhn 1:2 (footnote) He* was in the beginning with God.
Footnote- * (1:2) Literally…. This one
Not this thing (word)!However, IMO if “Word” is the NAME of God's son (before he was Yahshau) then he could be WITH God (in the beginning). Word would also be a great description of his function which names commonly represented:
Yahshua: Salvation from God
Messiach: Anointed One.Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God's love) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Your post: Still no Scripture from you, just personal attacks.
By the way, if you don't own a bible you can go to:
blb.org
enter the verse you want and then hit the blue box “v” and over 20 different translations are available for you to compare.net.bible.org
We really would love for you to learn.
Don't get angry or frustrated, just take out the “sword” and get even.
The Professor
dffirst let make it clear ;THE WORD spoken in John1-1 is Jesus
your confusion lays because of not understanding scriptures,Jesus (WORD) is what Moses was to the children of Israel ,the word of God to them.
and so his Jesus the WORD to all creation but as the Christ to the Israelite and secondly to all men.Jhn 1:12 But as many(Jews) as received Him (Jesus), to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those(gentiles) who believe in His name,
Jhn 1:14 And the Word (son of God) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His(works miracle) glory, glory(miracles work) as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth(word of God).
so God and Christ(the WORD) are two entities not one.
Pierre
Hi DBF and Terraricca,Why do you keep bolstering the traditions of men? (Matt.15:5-9)
The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.“HolySpirit“ = “Father: The Word“ … (Click Here)
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I(Jesus) should say, and what I should speak.“The Word” is (אלהים) “GOD” (John 1:1)! Jesus is “A Word”!
“The Word” (Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 is the 86th prime
meaning [אלהים=86] “GOD” ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 (YHVH=63)!The “HolySpirit” is “The Word”(of God)!
Hebrew↔Greek
(86)אלהים=ο λογος(86th Prime)
(ĔL-ō-Hêêm)God=The Word(Hō Lōgôs)(Lōgôs) [λογος]=373 means “Word”, and 373 is the 74th Prime Number!
(Hō Lōgôs) [ο λογος]=443 means “The Word” and 443 is the 86th Prime Number. (John 1:1)
“God Word”=86 and אלהים=86 ĔL-ō-Hêêm both equal 86 and ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 means “YHVH”=63.In English, the significant number (74) is attributed to JOSHUA=74, Messiah=74;
also in the following: JESUS=74, Cross=74, Gospel=74, עד=74, and even English=74.
Jesus Christ (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
[Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
[Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).This symbol ( > ) means GREATER THAN in mathematics
The pieces fit together perfectly: “The Word” (86) > “Word” (74).
In English it's comparable to (The LORD JEHOVAH) > (Lord Jesus=74) is the “God Son”=74!
“The Owner” > “Owner “
JEHOVAH > Jesus
86 > 74Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
hi edjbecause i hath to do like you, make your on religion and numbers to prove it.
Pierre
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,10:42) Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING. Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
geneyou have your own religion your own acceptance of scriptures your mental satisfaction comes first ,leadership among the blinds in the darkness of the night is your way.
there is no light on your pad,and you do not possess the freewill to change so you are condemned to stay in that darkness;
to say the truth i feel sorry for you.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,16:53) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,10:42) Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING. Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
geneyou have your own religion your own acceptance of scriptures your mental satisfaction comes first ,leadership among the blinds in the darkness of the night is your way.
there is no light on your pad,and you do not possess the freewill to change so you are condemned to stay in that darkness;
to say the truth i feel sorry for you.
Pierre
Listen we don't win someone over by feeling sorry for them. I know He has a Bible, He used to belong to the same Church we used to go to. They all had a Bible and studied it for 2 hours each Saturday and also on Wednesday night for Bible study…. I like to turn over a new leaf and be kind towards each other…. Marty is right even though we might not agree on everything, we are still Brothers and Sisters in Christ, at least that is what I like us to be….
Peace to all, Irene Irene………A leopard can't change his spots nor and Ethiopian His Skin , neither can Terricca, change his captivated thoughts He thinks is a “FREE” WILL , when in fact he seems totally captivated with an accusative mind, which he falsely thinks is of GOD. IMO
peace and love to you and Georg………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,00:51) Irene………A leopard can't change his spots nor and Ethiopian His Skin , neither can Terricca, change his captivated thoughts He thinks is a “FREE” WILL , when in fact he seems totally captivated with an accusative mind, which he falsely thinks is of GOD. IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………….gene
Gene, I want to turn a leaf and don't criticise others. Even though I have stood up for some, it is so wrong to tear some down. We all should be more kinder and understanding others…. since I have your attention, I have German Bible and I was looking up John 1:1, I was surprised how they interpret verse 14, it actually said that the Word of God was the Son of God….which of course I agree with. Also I gave you the Scripture in Rev. 19:13-16 it says that The Word of God is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He also has on a robe dipped i blood. There is no other being that fits those Scriptures……
Peace to you and your, IreneQuote (942767 @ Aug. 14 2010,13:12) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 14 2010,11:53) Let's be clear. When Jesus existed in the form of God (divine nature), he wasn't called Jesus.
He was given his name when he was born as a man, (after he emptied himself).No, we know that the mystery of Christ is a mystery and we know that we look through a glass darkly.
If the Old Testament said that God was going to send the one that he created all things through, then that is paramount to telling the enemy what your plan is, and then you give him/them a chance to counter your plan.
No God said he would crush the serpents head, and he sent his firstborn of all creation to do the unthinkable.
1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.So saying that Jesus is not mentioned as being with God and coming to earth and dying etc, is a mute point. There is a good reason that God didn't divulge his plan.
So the foolishness of God, defeated the wisdom of the rulers of this age.
Hi t8:You say:
“Let's be clear.
When Jesus existed in the form of God (divine nature), he wasn't called Jesus.
He was given his name when he was born as a man, (after he emptied himself).”But no, that is not what the scripture says. It says:
Quote Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (The mind that was in Christ Jesus is described by the following verses, and they are referring to when he was Christ Jesus) 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi t8:I have already shown by the scriptures what is meant, but out of curiosity what do you say was his name (in his divine nature) before he was Christ Jesus?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Baker @ Aug. 18 2010,00:38) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,16:53) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,10:42) Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING. Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
geneyou have your own religion your own acceptance of scriptures your mental satisfaction comes first ,leadership among the blinds in the darkness of the night is your way.
there is no light on your pad,and you do not possess the freewill to change so you are condemned to stay in that darkness;
to say the truth i feel sorry for you.
Pierre
Listen we don't win someone over by feeling sorry for them. I know He has a Bible, He used to belong to the same Church we used to go to. They all had a Bible and studied it for 2 hours each Saturday and also on Wednesday night for Bible study…. I like to turn over a new leaf and be kind towards each other…. Marty is right even though we might not agree on everything, we are still Brothers and Sisters in Christ, at least that is what I like us to be….
Peace to all, Irene
hi Ireneyou right to be gentle to all who seeking Gods understanding,
so Gene is not one of them he is a teacher and if i would not be knowledgeable in scriptures as i am, i could have been influenced and this would have made me a worshiper of men invention,
of cause you could then tell me,to use your bible to see and separate from false doctrines.if so why allow false teachings if you can not allow the protection of true teachings.
of cause you could tell me who are you to monopolize the truth of God?
but i do not do that ,the truth stands for it self,
and so if we allow false teaching then we have to allow the action to respond to it.
if you feel to see all and anybody as your brothers and sisters
this is your view,and will not comment on it .I personally i do not , i always give the credit of doubt ,and as i go into the discussion it appears that the person show me his direction i will adjust my views about them.
all are not brothers and sisters ,this is also why we make prayers to be protected from the wickedness of the wickets.
Pierre
Quote HI Jodi, Luke 2:49-50 references Jesus when he was 12 years old…
Luke 2:49-50 And he (Jesus) said unto them (Mary and Joseph), How is it that
ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.This are serious questions; Please answer them BOTH?
What does MY FATHER's BUSINESS mean?
and WHO was leading Jesus about?
Hi Ed J,
I believe that chapter itself gives the answers.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew , and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned , the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass , that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions . 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed : and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold , thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
God's Spirit was upon Jesus and his Father's business was for him to learn.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2010,10:00) Quote (Baker @ Aug. 18 2010,00:38) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2010,16:53) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2010,10:42) Terriaccia………..Right the CHRISTOS AND GOD ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. BUT JESUS AND THE ANOINTING HE HAD AND HAS (ON) HIM ARE (NOT) THE SAME THING. the CHRISTOS came to be (IN) Jesus but (NOT) Jesus the MAN. “THE FATHER (IN) ME (HE) DOES THE WORKS”. Jesus the man could do (NOTHING) HIMSELF IT WAS THE (CHRISTOS) THE ANOINTING DOING IT. Therefore it says it was the (CHRISTOS) or anointing that followed the childern of Israel in the Wilderness, (NOT) Jesus the Man or some super Being or demigod . THIS (CHRISTOS) or Anointing was on the Angles and Moses and the Seventy Elders. It was GOD the FATHER'S Spirit that was the ANOINTING On these People GET IT? THE SAME THING WITH JESUS. “GOD WHO (SPOKE) TO US (THROUGH) THE PROPHETS IN THE PAST , HAS IN THESE LAST DAYS SPOKEN TO US (THROUGH) A SON. NO DIFFERENCE IT STILL WAS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH , ANGLES , PROPHETS, PRIESTS, APPOINTED MEN, IT MAKES (NO) DIFFERENCE IT WAS STILL GOD SPEAKING. Jesus the man did (NOT) preexist his berth here on earth (EXCEPT) IN the plan ans will and purpose of GOD the FATHER.
peace and love………………….gene
geneyou have your own religion your own acceptance of scriptures your mental satisfaction comes first ,leadership among the blinds in the darkness of the night is your way.
there is no light on your pad,and you do not possess the freewill to change so you are condemned to stay in that darkness;
to say the truth i feel sorry for you.
Pierre
Listen we don't win someone over by feeling sorry for them. I know He has a Bible, He used to belong to the same Church we used to go to. They all had a Bible and studied it for 2 hours each Saturday and also on Wednesday night for Bible study…. I like to turn over a new leaf and be kind towards each other…. Marty is right even though we might not agree on everything, we are still Brothers and Sisters in Christ, at least that is what I like us to be….
Peace to all, Irene
hi Ireneyou right to be gentle to all who seeking Gods understanding,
so Gene is not one of them he is a teacher and if i would not be knowledgeable in scriptures as i am, i could have been influenced and this would have made me a worshiper of men invention,
of cause you could then tell me,to use your bible to see and separate from false doctrines.if so why allow false teachings if you can not allow the protection of true teachings.
of cause you could tell me who are you to monopolize the truth of God?
but i do not do that ,the truth stands for it self,
and so if we allow false teaching then we have to allow the action to respond to it.
if you feel to see all and anybody as your brothers and sisters
this is your view,and will not comment on it .I personally i do not , i always give the credit of doubt ,and as i go into the discussion it appears that the person show me his direction i will adjust my views about them.
all are not brothers and sisters ,this is also why we make prayers to be protected from the wickedness of the wickets.
Pierre
look, even though Gene does not believe in some areas that does not mean that He is not a Christian. The only ones that are not, are they that deny that Christ came in the flesh and died for us. Of hand I don't know were that Scripture is. I will get back with you about that. So please lets be kind…. also He does not believe in the trinity. So He is under grace….
Peace IreneQuote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 21 2010,16:05)
Yes, of course there is something more to Jesus, he was the man given the Holy Spirit at the river Jordon. After receiving the Holy Spirit he was SENT by God out into the world to teach. He was a man of flesh, but a man who walked according to the Spirit of YHWH. He was able to accomplish what no other man could do, deny his flesh, and he was ONLY able to do this because God ANOINTED him with His Spirit, thus why he is called our Messiah or Christ.The Holy Spirit caused the virgin Mary to be pregnant with a HUMAN BEING, not some new sort of creature, but a MAN of David's seed. Jesus is the son of God because-
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
I would be more then happy to debate all this with you on the pre-existence thread. I will leave this one alone.
HI Jodi,Luke 2:49-50 references Jesus when he was 12 years old…
Luke 2:49-50 And he (Jesus) said unto them (Mary and Joseph), How is it that
ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.This are serious questions; Please answer them BOTH?
What does MY FATHER's BUSINESS mean?
and WHO was leading Jesus about?
God bless
Ed J
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