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  • #104639
    david
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    You just can't get your mind around the fact God WILL ULTIMATELY SAVE ALL HIS CREATION.

    Does this include Satan?

    The Bible very very very very clearly describes Satan's final outcome–as it very very very very very very very clearly describes the outcome of all who disregard the love of God, who show him no consideration.

    God does not force people to worship him, or to behave a certain way.

    He invites the opportunity and this kindness is completely undeserved on our parts.

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    You DON”T realize his power to get into the mind and cause a transformation to take place do you, you think it all up to you.

    No, we KNOW we need God's help. And we apprciate God's grace, for we don't deserve this, but we know that we are not robots and God gives us the choice.
    Of course, God could change everyone to be different people, meek people, etc.

    But the Bible says he will destroy the wicked. So, there you go.

    #104641
    charity
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    I am convinced that there is a driving force within us all, and this is not always in full consciousness, that our actions are towards our rewards and earthy inheritance
    I am ALSO CONVINCED THAT, the one that spends his life interfering with others courses is indeed attempting to prevent god, and with the Nature, they prevent all men from receiving the good will of god in life.
    And who has a father that dose not except both his sons, even as the one that stays beside him becomes angered by the returning son that wasted his inheritance and still made his father happy- charity

    #104664
    GeneBalthrop
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    Charity………Amen, some would prevent everyone (BUT) themselves from being saved, it obvious by their words. They have placed themselves as judges of the law instead of the doers of it. They go against GOD'S WILL of saving everyone of His Children and don't believe He said He has concluded (ALL) under Sin in order that He may have Mercy on (ALL). You see it's only them He has Mercy on because they by their so-called FREE WILLS chose to do whats right, GOD has nothing to do with it , it there works that are saving them not GOD. They don't understand that (IF) we could save ourselves Jesus would not had to of Died. These are WORKERS of iniquity who will run up to Jesus and say look at all the GOOD WORKS WE DID, and they won't be wrong because it is good works (THEY DID) , but whats the reply , Depart from me (YOU WORKER OF INIQUITY), I know you not.

    love and peace to you and yours…………gene

    #104671
    NickHassan
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    GB,
    In you theology you have all under sin and then Jesus dying for them all but somehow there is no connection between that death and the salvation you promise to all. It is as if you assume the grace of faith and repentance is then given to all so they can respond to this gift, but the evidence of this assumption is not there.

    Jn3
    14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

    23And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

    24For John was not yet cast into prison.

    25Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.

    26And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

    27John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

    28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.

    29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

    30He must increase, but I must decrease.

    31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

    32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

    33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

    34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

    36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    No magic

    #104723
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick…..where is it my theology, I thought Scripture said…>”God has concluded (ALL) under sin that He might Have (MERCY) on (ALL). so how is it my theology then , I did not Say it, Scripture did, you either except it or not it's up to you. But it has nothing to do with my theology it has to do with the word of God.

    #104724
    NickHassan
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    GB,
    To have mercy on all does not read SAVE all.
    He showers His mercies daily.
    But some are goats and their fate is the fire.

    #104727
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick……..It has become very clear to me you know very little about scripture and seem only to quote them without understand most of what you quote , you just apply what meants you theology of self salvation by self works. Leaving God the FAther completely out of the picture and it is very evident by all your post, you trust only your own ability to save you self, good luck your going to need it. :)

    #104728
    NickHassan
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    Back to the subject GB

    #104734
    GeneBalthrop
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2008,14:15)
    GB,
    To have mercy on all does not read SAVE all.
    He showers His mercies daily.
    But some are goats and their fate is the fire.


    Nick………so say you, but then you are not GOD are you. If God wills to save ALL i think He can easily do it. If you understood how God can transform a person by the power of His Spirit. You would not have the problems you have about the salvation of GOD, despite the irruption thats in man. Nick, God does not play by YOUR Rules, or mine, He makes the rules and choses what He will do, He said (ALL my PLEASURE I wilL DO) and He said He is (NOT WILLING ANY PARISH) so why are you so against His WILL.

    If you understood man is saved BY FIRE (intense judgments) your false assumptions would leave you. You prefer to see things through CARNAL EYES is the problem, try applying Spiritual understanding to them and you might see what were are saying.

    #104736
    NickHassan
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    GB,
    So it is safe to ASSUME what God can do He will?

    The lake of fire can destroy a wicked man, body and soul[mt10.28] as an expression of God's judgement so nobody should be confused by the warnings given to the saved in 1 Cor 3

    #104737
    NickHassan
    Participant

    GB,
    Your so called 'spiritual' eyes do not reflect what is written so few seem to agree with you.
    It sounds more like the voice of a stranger.

    #104740
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick…I reflect exactly what is written the problem you carnal mind can not comprehend it. I have quoted MANY Scriptures to support what i am saying ,you simple ignore all the posted scriptures because they go against what you are saying. I believe you could care less for the truth of GOD, its your own theology you care about not truth at all. imo

    #104741
    NickHassan
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    GB,
    Scripture was not given to support your ideas but you should find truth there as it supports itself.

    #104745
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick……..that is not true i have posted many scriptures tha support what i am saying , it you not wanting to acknowledge them that the problem here and that is not with me only but i have seen you do it with others also. We need to just disengage our debates.

    #104746
    NickHassan
    Participant

    GB,
    You should place your trust in the Lord and his teachings.
    Men are vain in their love of intellect.

    #104781
    TimothyVI
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 12 2008,14:52)
    GB,
    Your so called 'spiritual' eyes do not reflect what is written so few seem to agree with you.
    It sounds more like the voice of a stranger.


    Hi Nick,
    I think that there are quite a few that agree with Gene but stay silent in the debate because Gene is handling it just fine.
    I would like to see you debate his position instead of merely saying in different ways that he is wrong and does not follow the teachings of Jesus.

    Tim

    #104784
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Tim……> Amen to that brother.

    Love and peace to you and yours……………gene

    #104789
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi Tim4,
    Just as soon as I see his thoughts also written in the words of Jesus or the prophets and the apostles.
    But if not why should we debate about human intellectual speculations?

    #104794
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick….Nearly everyone else see them why can't you, is it because you don't the eyes to see , and your lack of understanding of scriptures is the problem here (NOT) “human intellectual speculation” and this is not only true with me, but many have told you the same thing.Your ego is your problem your lack of the ability to admit your wrong is whats the problem here and you use for a front, its “human reason”, or” worldly knowledge”, or “intellectual speculations” or some other Phony excuse, to cover your ignorance up, as I and many other have observed. When clear scriptures are posted that show you wrong , you simply ignore them , I beginning to think your as phony as a three dollar bill, and have very little understanding of scripture as Chosenone, and others have told you. IMO

    #104797
    NickHassan
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    GB,
    Why not choose to learn from scripture
    instead of using it to support your ideas?

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