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Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,22:48) Hi T8, I believe any question that limits an answer to a set of cleverly constructed
preconceived choices is meant to narrow the field to even more loaded questions. …and a snare!I have started a thread which explains this premise in great detail. (Link)
These types of 'loaded questions' SHOULD BE exempt
from any penalty as they will not lead to any biblical truth. …only ongoing conflict!They are meant only as leverage to make ones belief seem reasonable,
when the questionee will clearly NOT see it that way. In those types
of cases the questionee needs only to present a counter-view.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi T8,Please address this post; OK?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote This is the one question I want answered DIRECTLY:
Seriously T8, how many donuts did it take from MB before you bit?Quote Regardless, the point with answering questions is a good one because it stops proud people from avoiding their hurt pride by admitting they don't have an answer. The rule encourages honesty and that is not only a good thing, but is central to what this forum is trying to achieve. This forum is not about egos and a carefully crafted portrayed image. No it is about the truth. So could you repeat it one more time, about stopping proud people, ecouraging honesty, not about egos and most important about truth.
Actually I am surprised MB waited as long as he did to strike.
I see Princess is still stinging a little bit from her 10 Commandments fiasco.
I don't suppose it's much fun to come on so strong and arrogantly just to be exposed as ignorant, huh Princess?I see you read my post for Nick, Princess. What is your answer? The facts from the experts are right there in my post, yet your hero Nick still answered “I don't know”.
How about you? Are YOU able to understand that each of the 7000 times the indefinite article “a” is in an English Bible, it was ADDED by translators? Are YOU able to understand that John 1:1c is just one of the 7000 times where a translator must DECIDE whether or not to add the “a”? Are YOU able to understand that in the translation Nick prefers, Trinitarian translators ADDED the definite article “the”, in an effort to FORCE Jesus into being the very God he is the Son of?
Nick “doesn't know”, despite the black and white, undeniable information I posted for him, where the THREE different possibilities for 1:1c are outlined. Nick “doesn't know”, despite the fact my question was: According to the Greek experts I've quoted in the above, is it equally grammatically possible to translate John 1:1c either as “God”……………or as “a god”?
That's quite a feat – even for Nick, our current leader in flippant remarks designed to cover up his avoidance of many questions put to him. I'm not quite sure how he could read the experts I quoted all saying “YES”, and still come up with an answer of “I don't know”, when the question said, “ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS I QUOTED………”
Perhaps you could shed some light on how that happened?
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote I see Princess is still stinging a little bit from her 10 Commandments fiasco. I don't suppose it's much fun to come on so strong and arrogantly just to be exposed as ignorant, huh Princess?We all see things differently, your view of holding onto things and feeding on anger is not my view of things and truly Mike, the conversation must not have been as important to me as it was you, due to I really don't remember, since the memory is so fresh in your mind perhaps you could bring it up once more to refresh mine.
If my guesstimate is correct, you will be quick on the draw to find it, no worries you don't have to be patient and wait five days to show, how was that waiting to post had to be a nail biter, how many times did you re write, hold tight to it and let it keep you up at nights.Quote I see you read my post for Nick, Princess. What is your answer? The facts from the experts are right there in my post, yet your hero Nick still answered “I don't know”.
WJ would use 'the expert' line all the time, however just because experts say such, does not make it true to ones heart, learn well to accept such Mike, breathing will become easier once you do.
You really don't pay attention Mike do you, Nick and I are not ones to converse much, two different ends of the spectrum, however for Nick to state he doesn't know is huge and you cannot even see that. That is what selfishness does to one, they cannot see anything else but what they have to say.
You do understand Nick is not a triad believer, right?
Your other comments are too petty to respond too, however it does show you really don't like Nick, thanks for bringing that to light, good job, well done.You can fuss and fight over John 1:1 all you want, triads and mono theist will continue the battle long after you are gone. In all honesty I do take it that the New Testament as you call it and the language of Jesus was Aramaic which by understanding was a form of Hebrew & Arabic. So why are you going to the Greek?
Your making a mountain out of a mole hill, anyone that know Nick knows he make his own, no matter what the experts say or suggest, he always, always goes to his bible for answers. His God would have to come down himself to have him deter from what he believes.
And the man gave you a answer that was fully in the rules provided, and here you are still belly aching over the matter.
Proverbs 21:19 Mike read it and reflect.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2012,19:47) Hi MB,
A pile of experts does not make one truth.
Nick,My question started with the words, “ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS I QUOTED ABOVE……..”. Therefore, the ONLY honest answer was “YES”.
You could have said, “Yes………….BUT I don't trust your experts”, or something to that effect. But since the experts I quoted say “YES”, then “YES” was the ONLY honest answer you could have made.
Yet, somehow you said “I don't know”, and Ed said, “No”.
Quote (princess @ June 11 2012,20:11) truly Mike, the conversation must not have been as important to me as it was you, due to I really don't remember
Yeah, I suppose I would try to block out such an embarrassing moment too. If your curiosity gets the better of you, ask your friend Timothy from the Skeptics Section. He was your main supporter until I dropped the bottom out from under you both.Quote (princess @ June 11 2012,20:11) WJ would use 'the expert' line all the time, however just because experts say such, does not make it true to ones heart,
I don't remember asking Nick if the “a god” translation was “true to his heart”, Princess. Let me give you an example:Expert Frank Dum Dum wrote, “The sky is made of jelly.”
Princess, ACCORDING TO THE EXPERT I QUOTED, is the sky made of jelly? YES or NO?
See? The ONLY honest answer is “YES”, despite what you personally believe. “I don't know” would not be an honest answer to my question.
Quote (princess @ June 11 2012,20:11) the New Testament as you call it and the language of Jesus was Aramaic which by understanding was a form of Hebrew & Arabic. So why are you going to the Greek?
According to the best information on the subject, the entire NT was written originally in the Greek language, with the possible exception of Matthew. But it doesn't matter, because neither the Hebrew nor the Aramaic languages used an indefinite article either. So EVERY time you read “a” in the Bible, whether in the OT or the NT, it was ADDED by a translator so we could understand it better in English.Quote (princess @ June 11 2012,20:11) no matter what the experts say or suggest, he always, always goes to his bible for answers.
Yes, so do I. I just don't limit my understanding to the English TRANSLATION of the Bible, for the very reason that certain words had to be added or omitted so we could understand it better. I double check the Greek and the Hebrew to see if the words added or omitted actually align with the rest of the scriptures. Many times they don't. John 1:1 is one of those times. I mean really, can you imagine God Himself being WITH God Himself in the beginning?Quote (princess @ June 11 2012,20:11) And the man gave you a answer that was fully in the rules provided, and here you are still belly aching over the matter.
Yes, his answer was within t8's rules, which is why I answered him the way I did in my original response to his answer. I didn't start “belly aching” until I came to this thread and read your loving words.Princess, this much conversation with you is enough to last me a year or two. Surely you understand. Take care.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2012,19:47) Hi MB,
A pile of experts does not make one truth.
NI agree with you ,BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I WOULD SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO IT BEFORE SAYING ANYTHING RIGHT
Hi Pierre,
It's not just the experts, and Nick knows it.
Acts 28:6
The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead, but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.The word “a” is not in the Greek text, Pierre. English translators had the choice of rendering that verse “God”, or “a god”. This is the case throughout the scriptures. I shouldn't even need to quote experts to affirm what is common place throughout the Bible.
Does Nick really think it's grammatically possible to render “a god” in Acts, but for some odd reason, it's impossible to do the same in John 1:1c?
These are the kinds of things I've been showing Nick during our 6 month discussion of this subject. (That's right Princess, it took me 6 months of beating my head against the wall before I put Nick on the Hot Seat.)
He's afraid that if he were to ADMIT what he already knows to be the fact of the matter, then he'd have to have this discussion with me from an even starting place. He doesn't want that, so he will hold on to the flawed “God” translation forever, and insist it is the ONLY possibility, just so the discussion will never really get started in the first place.
WJ left this site while in the middle of the same discussion with me. He couldn't bring himself to acknowledge the simple, grammatical FACT of the matter either.
Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,03:56) Quote (Ed J @ June 06 2012,22:48) Hi T8, I believe any question that limits an answer to a set of cleverly constructed
preconceived choices is meant to narrow the field to even more loaded questions. …and a snare!I have started a thread which explains this premise in great detail. (Link)
These types of 'loaded questions' SHOULD BE exempt
from any penalty as they will not lead to any biblical truth. …only ongoing conflict!They are meant only as leverage to make ones belief seem reasonable,
when the questionee will clearly NOT see it that way. In those types
of cases the questionee needs only to present a counter-view.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Hi T8,Please address this post; OK?
God bless
Ed J
T8?Edj.
A question has to be a fair question. That has already been mentioned.
If a question is not fair question such as, “have you stopped beating people” which condemns you no matter if you say yes or no, then you can report the question to a moderator.No one is going to give you a square for not answering a question like that.
Ye of little faith
Hi T8,
I don't see how that addresses my point of someone asking
questions with only limited answers believed to be acceptable?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgSorry Ed. I probably don't have as much time as you do.
I have said what I cam going to say.
It will be moderated and we will see how it goes.
No need to make a big deal out of it.
Thanks.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2012,13:14) I've started the thread, Nick. You need to answer the question or receive a tile.
Hi T8,Limiting a persons answers to only a few pre-selected choices
and forcing them to comply under threat is not very Christian!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWhen did t8 suggest you had to answer with only certain, selected, limited answers, Ed?
Ed, there is not a single question you could ask me that I couldn't honestly answer for you. Why are you guys making such a big deal of this? If you're worried about tiles, then just answer people's questions. You should be doing that anyway, right? After all, it is a discussion forum.
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.
This site has always been moderated and likely always will.
If you don't like the moderators way of doing things, then there are likely plenty of other forums out there that might suit you better. No one is forcing you to stick around and be moderated in ways you dislike.
I am sorry that I myself cannot cater to all tastes. But my advice is get use to it or vote with your feet. Because there are not a whole heap of resources for this site, so it is managed in available time only.
I personally steer clear of people who try to bog me down in indepth discussions that deter me away from my posting time here. I hope you can understand that. Like all things in life, the absolute ideal also costs the highest price.
Remember no one is charging you a fee to come here. Like all sites that are free, you get what you get and if you don't like it, then there are millions of other sites out there.
Please stop complaining and accept the way it is. Remember, I am not getting paid for managing this and I have other needs to take care of in life.
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