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the spirit return to God who as given it,but our soul what is the compilation of all we have ever done and thought that is in suspense until the judgement day.terraricca………again you assumptions, please post scripture to back up your hypotheses. I find no where in scripture where a (SOUL) leaves a man. What i find is a SOUL= A BODY + SPIRIT a Soul is the combination of a body and Spirit, nothing else. Jesus said “do not fear Him who can destory the Flesh (body) and after that can do nothing else, But fear him who can destory (BOTH) body and Soul IN the GRAVE”. How can GOD destory a Soul in the GRAVE, simple do not Resurrect the Body then you have (NO) SOUL either. Because a SOUL is a BODY With SPIRIT IN IT. IT takes (BOTH) to be a LIVING BEING OR SOUL, without one or the other your simply (NOT) a SOUL nor are you alive either> IMO
Terraccia……….Good let look at genesis then. When did man become a Nafesh or Living SOUL , when? When Spirit (breath of GOD) was breathe into His FLESH BODY. and (Then) “man became (what)? a living SOUL”. “when a man dies His thoughts parish”. He is no longer a (LIVING) SOUL. Trying to makes it appear as elementary is a ploy you use to distort from truth. Show us where a SOUL EXISTS separate from a BODY. While the Spirit can exist by returning to where it originally came from,GOD, the Soul can not exist without a body. When a Man dies he yells up His Spirit and His body goes to corruption, He is like in a sleep state, with (NO) consciousness because a Spirit without a body to animate is useless and cant effect anything, it must has a body to be in. God who IS Spirit is only effective through His creation He lives vicariously through His creation He (IS) IT'S LIFE. IMO
G,
God breathed into the dust[flesh] and man became a living[spirit] soul[soul]-Gen2.7
When man's spirit leaves him he is dead.[Jas2]His soul is appointed to sheol unless he is in Christ.
Those who are find welcome in his mansions.gene
you read to fast,and do not pay attention to God s word,try to forget yourself wen you read the scriptures;
so in genesis it says ,God give Adam a spirit and he become a living soul,so wen he dies it is his body who dies ,not the spirit because that goes back to God,right ,but the spirit man as use for so? many years is not the same as wen he receive it ,it is now full of the man history.that is why at the resurrection books are open and separation is made and the book of live ,and all what men as done is written in it,
resurrection means that the existing soul(spirit)are given a body again so they can be judged and if they are find rebellious to God they will face dead of there flesh and there soul,this is what Jesus talk about wen he says;do not fear the ones who can only kill the flesh but fear the one who can destroy the flesh and the soul who is God,what is the second dead.now the ones who are called to join Christ those have been judge already ,and found righteous so they are given a new body an spiritual body incorruptible.because their flesh body are dead and so destroyed
this means that their spirit that supposed to go to God is instantly furnish with the new body in heaven as promised by Christ.
now it is understood that while the spirit of men goes back to God ,do not have any activity ,because they do not have a body for performance actions.(kind of sit and wait)
Hi T,
The new body is given to the saved on earth when their souls are raised and they go to meet with Jesus in the air- men will not be in heaven.nick
also ;1Co 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Paul was talking to the church not to unbelievers.Hi T,
Indeed they will be raised from earth alive in the Spirit of God and clothed in a new imperishable body.NIck…….You and Terraricca……..Need to produce Scripture top support you ideas. So Far Neither of you have, you just produce you suppositions and opinions. That in it self is not wrong But it does need some Scripture support. So show us where a (SPIRIT) is A SOUL without a body to be in or for that matter show us where a body is a SOUL , without a Spirit in it, I have shown you that a BODY + SPIRIT in it equals a SOUL. and Genesis backs this up also.
Here is one of my proofs.
Gen 2:7…..> And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground< and Breathed into his nostrils the breath (divine inspiration, intellect) or SPIRIT, and man Became (came to be) a living Soul or (nephesh) in Hebrew.
Second proof text………Psa 16:10….> for thou will not leave my (SOUL) in Hell (the grave) Neither will thou Suffer thine Holy ONE to see (CORRUPTION)
So where does the (SOUL) see corruption in the GRAVE.
There are about a fifty scriptures that show the Soul is in fact our bodies with Spirit in them. A SOUL = a BODY + SPIRIT (INTELLECT) IN IT BOTH THINGS CONSTITUTES A LIVING SOUL. IMO
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No soul sees corruption as that is the fate of the body-but that of Jesus did not corrupt to ful;fill the promise.His soul went to Sheol but the gates of hades could not contain him again fulfilling scripture. The same promise is made for the church.
Man is body soul and spirit.[thess]
No INTELLECT anywhere in scripture but the word seems to be a comforter for you.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 22 2010,12:19) a BODY + SPIRIT in it equals a SOUL. and Genesis backs this up also.
Hi Gene, Nick and Terra,This one confuses me because in Genesis it sure sounds like body+spirit=soul.
But if man is a living soul, why would Jesus say “fear Him who, after killing the body, can pitch the soul in Gehenna”. This makes it sound like body(powered by spirit)+soul=man.
I'm lost, brothers.peace and love,
mikehi mike
man has two component we see in genesis ;the body and the soul(spirit received)
wen man dies the body goes to the grave and the spirit return to God who has given it.in Ps16;10 this is about Christ body not seeing corruption.
as for why Christ says 'to fear God 'because God is the only one who can destroy the soul or spirit of men ,because he is the one who has given it in the first place,and men canot destroy the works of God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 22 2010,14:13) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 22 2010,12:19) a BODY + SPIRIT in it equals a SOUL. and Genesis backs this up also.
Hi Gene, Nick and Terra,This one confuses me because in Genesis it sure sounds like body+spirit=soul.
But if man is a living soul, why would Jesus say “fear Him who, after killing the body, can pitch the soul in Gehenna”. This makes it sound like body(powered by spirit)+soul=man.
I'm lost, brothers.peace and love,
mike
mike64I follow you on this one, because I am lost too.
Georg
mike
what the scriptures saying is that the flesh has one live and the spirit has one live,that s what i understand by combining both scriptures that is .but men as power to kill only one live,the flesh it is not given to men to be able to kill the spirit in men,that s only trough God s power,
this way the spirit + flesh =soul is true – but spirit + flesh =soul is not totally the same at birth than at dead;the spirit at dead includes all who we are + flesh = soul- but what we can see that there is only one component who can died by the hands of men,and that , what is left after that now represented by our soul with our acquired live experience good and bad for judgment .this is why it is said that birth in the beginning and dead the end after that is judgement;
Mikeboil……the word used there is not Garanna but GRAVE. It comes from the English word Hellos , which simply means to bury. Some like Nic uses Shilo, which also means grave.
Here is something that might Help you, Jesus said “fear not him that can kill the body and after that can do nothing else, But fear Him who can destory both, body and Soul (where) in the grave. Now ask youself how can the be, if the soul is separate from the body. Fact is a Soul = a BODY + Spirit , If God wanted to destory our souls He simply could not resurrect a Body and add Spirit back into it. Another words just leave us in the grave and then the body and the soul or living Being would no longer exist.
Read carefully what i quoted scripture saying Pas 16:10…> “for thou will not leave my (SOUL) in Hell or grave, neither shall you suffer you HOLY ONE to (SEE) CORRUPTION”, HOW by would Jesus see corruption (In the grave). Another thing to think about when Jesus was about to die He said I commend my (SPIRIT) into thine hands . Notice He said nothing about the Soul, Why Because His soul died and was placed in the grave, but GOD did Not let his soul (body) go to corruption.
Our Souls are our very being and consist of (BOTH a BODY and SPIRIT) and then we are a LIVING SOUL , without both of those things we do not exist as a Being of any kind. God can destory us by simply not resurrecting a body and adding spirit back into it for us. IMO
Thanks all for your help,
I'm going to try to wrap my mind around it and pray for understanding because it has eluded me still.
peace and love,
mikeMike ….. There are many scriptures that show what a soul is and you will find a soul is connected with the body and can't exist without a Body. Here are a few Job 16:4, Psa 7:5, Psa 33:19, Psa 141:19, Psa 143:3, Psa 16:10………> Mike Jesus did not ask GOD to recieve HIs Soul, But His Spirit, His Soul went to the grave He perished Until his body was resurected and Spirit added Back into it. Then he became a living Soul again. The same with us, “when a man dies his thoughts parish” That is it until a resurrection takes place and a New Body is made and spirit added back into it. Just as it was wit ADAM< GOD made a Body and added Spirit into it, and He then became a Living SOUL.
SOUL = A BODY+SPIRIT………….imo
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