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God’s Woman seems to be an unknown stranger to the many children, Why is that so?
But She seems to be familiar amongst the EARLY church?2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect Lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, Lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
Would you like to know your spiritual Mother? Or don’t you care, because She has never been taught by the scribes,
So who cares; that is just some person’s opinion. Some false teaching creeping in. Some new invention. Just ignore.
Christ is going to have his wedding with His bride that does not exist? Because she is still an ??? unknown woman.What is not taught by the scribes is false, Just stay put with the scribes, scripture or not scripture.
Be faithful to the scribes, the wine taste too good to let go.wakeup.
Hi WU,
So this is how you DISCERN?
You think of an idea and then thinking you are divinely inspired you go to the scriptures to find anything that might support you
and if it is not found you use scripture to try to confuse .
You are a complete fraud.
@Wakeup
The lady here in 2 John is a prominent female member of the church and her children are…well, her children. Simple as that.Lightenup.
No one can accept that answer but you.
Now; What about the answer to this one below; who is the HER.Isaiah 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
Isaiah 66:10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with HER, all ye that love HER: rejoice for joy with HER, all ye that mourn for HER:
Isaiah 66:11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
Isaiah 66:13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
wakeup.
@Wakeup
you said:No one can accept that answer but you.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_john/1-1.htm
Read and learn, the lady is either an individual woman or a church according to all the commentaries that I read.AS for the ‘her’ in Isaiah 66, read what Gill writes:
Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her,…. The church; she bringing forth so many spiritual children to Christ; just as, when a woman is delivered of a child, her friends and neighbours congratulate her upon it, and rejoice with her on that account; as Elisabeth’s neighbours and relations did, at the birth of John the Baptist, Luke 1:57, so the church’s friends here are called together to rejoice with her, at the numerous birth and conversion of souls in her, than which nothing is more joyful to the saints; see Luke 15:6,
from: Gill’s Exposition http://biblehub.com/isaiah/66-10.htm
Lightenup.
You had to go shopping around to find the wrong answer, dont you?
Shopping after strange flesh. You have a bible don’t you?
What is a church with a false doctrine? What children will she bring forth?What about 4000 denomination churches with 4000 doctrines?
You are just refusing to see the truth, or can not see.Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
The church in heaven hah? Before the birth of Christ.
Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
There was no church before creation; was there. Please answer on this?
wakeup.
@Wakeup
Funny how you complain of there being many different doctrines in the many different denominations yet, you at the same time add your own doctrine, increasing the division. Actually, the Church being the bride of Christ is agreed upon throughout the church. There is unity there where you seek to divide. If I use another’s words as support of my own understanding, that shows unity in understanding which is a good thing but you make it out to be a bad thing. You speak out of two sides of your mouth and look rather silly.Here is a reasonable explanation of the Rev 12 passage:
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
CHAPTER 12
Re 12:1-17. Vision of the Woman, Her Child, and the Persecuting Dragon.
1. This episode (Re 12:1-15:8) describes in detail the persecution of Israel and the elect Church by the beast, which had been summarily noticed, Re 11:7-10, and the triumph of the faithful, and torment of the unfaithful. So also the sixteenth through twentieth chapters are the description in detail of the judgment on the beast, &c., summarily noticed in Re 11:13, 18. The beast in Re 12:3, &c., is shown not to be alone, but to be the instrument in the hand of a greater power of darkness, Satan. That this is so, appears from the time of the eleventh chapter being the period also in which the events of the twelfth and thirteenth chapters take place, namely, 1260 days (Re 12:6, 14; Re 13:5; compare Re 11:2, 3).
great—in size and significance.
wonder—Greek, “sign”: significant of momentous truths.
in heaven—not merely the sky, but the heaven beyond just mentioned, Re 11:19; compare Re 12:7-9.
woman clothed with the sun … moon under her feet—the Church, Israel first, and then the Gentile Church; clothed with Christ, “the Sun of righteousness.” “Fair as the moon, clear as the sun.” Clothed with the Sun, the Church is the bearer of divine supernatural light in the world. So the seven churches (that is, the Church universal, the woman) are represented as light-bearing candlesticks (Re 1:12, 20). On the other hand, the moon, though standing above the sea and earth, is altogether connected with them and is an earthly light: sea, earth, and moon represent the worldly element, in opposition to the kingdom of God—heaven, the sun. The moon cannot disperse the darkness and change it into-day: thus she represents the world religion (heathenism) in relation to the supernatural world. The Church has the moon, therefore, under her feet; but the stars, as heavenly lights, on her head. The devil directs his efforts against the stars, the angels of the churches, about hereafter to shine for ever. The twelve stars, the crown around her head, are the twelve tribes of Israel [Auberlen]. The allusions to Israel before accord with this: compare Re 11:19, “the temple of God”; “the ark of His testament.” The ark lost at the Babylonian captivity, and never since found, is seen in the “temple of God opened in heaven,” signifying that God now enters again into covenant with His ancient people. The woman cannot mean, literally, the virgin mother of Jesus, for she did not flee into the wilderness and stay there for 1260 days, while the dragon persecuted the remnant of her seed (Re 12:13-17) [De Burgh]. The sun, moon, and twelve stars, are emblematical of Jacob, Leah, or else Rachel, and the twelve patriarchs, that is, the Jewish Church: secondarily, the Church universal, having under her feet, in due subordination, the ever changing moon, which shines with a borrowed light, emblem of the Jewish dispensation, which is now in a position of inferiority, though supporting the woman, and also of the changeful things of this world, and having on her head the crown of twelve stars, the twelve apostles, who, however, are related closely to Israel’s twelve tribes. The Church, in passing over into the Gentile world, is (1) persecuted; (2) then seduced, as heathenism begins to react on her. This is the key to the meaning of the symbolic woman, beast, harlot, and false prophet. Woman and beast form the same contrast as the Son of man and the beasts in Daniel. As the Son of man comes from heaven, so the woman is seen in heaven (Re 12:1). The two beasts arise respectively out of the sea (compare Da 7:3) and the earth (Re 13:1, 11): their origin is not of heaven, but of earth earthy. Daniel beholds the heavenly Bridegroom coming visibly to reign. John sees the woman, the Bride, whose calling is heavenly, in the world, before the Lord’s coming again. The characteristic of woman, in contradistinction to man, is her being subject, the surrendering of herself, her being receptive. This similarly is man’s relation to God, to be subject to, and receive from, God. All autonomy of the human spirit reverses man’s relation to God. Woman-like receptivity towards God constitutes faith. By it the individual becomes a child of God; the children collectively are viewed as “the woman.” Humanity, in so far as it belongs to God, is the woman. Christ, the Son of the woman, is in Re 12:5 emphatically called “the MAN-child” (Greek, “huios arrheen,” “male-child”). Though born of a woman, and under the law for man’s sake, He is also the Son of God, and so the HUSBAND of the Church. As Son of the woman, He is “‘Son of man”; as male-child, He is Son of God, and Husband of the Church. All who imagine to have life in themselves are severed from Him, the Source of life, and, standing in their own strength, sink to the level of senseless beasts. Thus, the woman designates universally the kingdom of God; the beast, the kingdom of the world. The woman of whom Jesus was born represents the Old Testament congregation of God. The woman’s travail-pains (Re 12:2) represent the Old Testament believers’ ardent longings for the promised Redeemer. Compare the joy at His birth (Isa 9:6). As new Jerusalem (called also “the woman,” or “wife,” Re 21:2, 9-12), with its twelve gates, is the exalted and transfigured Church, so the woman with the twelve stars is the Church militant.
http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-1.htm
Why, btw, would I spend all sorts of time writing up a response to you when a response that I accept is already written by one with more knowledge?
Hi,
The WOMAN of revelation 12 is ISRAEL.
Jerusalem in Rev 21 is the the church-Israel and the brothers made one as the BRIDE
But She seems to be familiar amongst the EARLY church?
Wakeup,
AND HOW!
BUT TO BE AWARE OF THE TRUTH,
YOU MUST START FROM THE CREATION OF THE FIRST WOMAN
EVE!
DUE TO THE FACT, THAT OUR LADY WAS SUBJECT AND RELATED, IN EVERY SENSE BOTH TO HER, AND TO HER ACTUAL COMMITMENT, SIN!
BUT OPPOSITE, AND SPIRITUAL OBVIOUS, SINCE EVE ENDED UP SINFUL AND IN MORTAL FLESH AND ALSO DOMINATED BY THE EVIL SPIRIT THROUGH HER INTRODUCTION OF HER SIN! SATAN!
WAS SHE CREATED PREDESTINED FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEED?
AND
THROUGH THAT ACTUAL EVIL DEED, DARKNESS,
GOD SHINED HIS LIGHT “THE WORD” JESUS CHRIST!TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF,THE TRUTH, AND MOST OF ALL ALSO
HIS LOVE, MERCY, GRACE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS REGARDING MAN
THEREFORE ALL THROUGH THE ACTUAL FEMALE HERSELF,
GOD’S ENEMY!
LUCIFER/SATANA!
Peace and love inn Jesus
Charles
@Wakeup
you said:There was no church before creation, yet Gods woman is in Him.
Please answer.
Please answer WHAT?
Hi Carmel.
We are speaking of spiritual Lady; not a physical lady.
Eve was physical, she came out of Adam.
God is a Spirit; His woman came out of God.
Meaning: God’s doctrine came out of God. understand?
His Doctrine was; before creation.
There was no church before creation. k?wakeup
Hi Carmel.
The topic is God’s spiritual Woman. Let’s stay there.
You became Christian because you have adopted God’s Woman.
You have adopted God’s doctrine.
She was known to the early Christians.2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
wakeup.Can you please answer the question, k?
There was no church before creation.
Yet the Woman was.
So how can the Woman be the church?
wakeup.Hi WU,
2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
You grasp a verse unrelated to the topic and with no support and try to build a dogma on it?
False teaching
@Wakeup
Rev 12 was a symbolic vision of an upcoming event. Why do you think it is speaking about a past event, prior to creation?Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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