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I kind of dislike the idea of creating another thread to discuss the topic of finding a way to cut down on the confusion. Something that makes it harder to find things is the very number of threads or topics on this forum. But T8 suggested I create a new thread to discuss this. There are about 15-25 threads that deal specifically with the trinity.
Right now, as it is, there are different sections, maybe about 7 of them. “Bible doctrine,” “truth and tradition” “general questions” etc.
I'm not suggesting we necesarily do away with these, but I am suggesting that we have a break down of subjects. If there are 3 or 7 threads that discuss “hades” or “hell” or “gehenna” or “hell/hades” or “sheol” etc, it would be easier to find these things or past conversations if they were all in one spot. Similar with the trinity. Also, right now there is a thread on Calvanism, one or two on Catholicism, one on Mormonism, 3 or 5 on JW's, etc. These could all be put under one main heading. Similarly, theres' 4 or so threads on Christmas, and Easter, and holidays, etc. These could all be put in one section. It goes on and on like this. I'm not saying it would be that easy for T8, or that everything would fit into a particular subject, but I think that it would help people to find things AND when they can find threads easier, they will be less likely to start the 5th thread on the exact same subject. There could be a section on “Bible's, Bible manuscripts, Bible Canon, etc” all in one section. So if someone comes on here wanting to discuss the Bible or someting specifically about the Bible as a book, they will know where to look. This website is growing. And with that, grows a greater need for organization.
Some suggested headings that other threads could be created under would be:
“The Bible” “Sin” “death” “resurrection” “spirit” “hell” “heaven” “kingdom” “soul” and then maybe have a “general questions” section for the things that people aren't sure about where it goes.What do others think?
Actually I had a look at creating sub-categories and it seems that it will be difficult.
But it is possible to create new categories and then put multiple forums inside. E.g., a Category called “Truth or Tradition?” could house forums such as “Trinity”, “Oneness”, “Catholicism”, “Misc” etc.
To help understand what I am talking about, currently “SCRIPTURE & DOCTRINE” is a category and “Biblical Doctrine” is a forum.
Hi t8,
I could see use for a forum dedicated to the bible and the manuscripts from which they were derived.Quote Good idea Nick. I have set this up as it was pretty easy to do.
Excellent. thankyou. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Yes thanks david.
I noticed you made this request when I moved some discussions to the new forum.
In future I would notice these kinds of requests in the feedback section more than anywhere else.
I don't have time to read all the posts, but I do make sure that I read the feedback section.
Thanks again.
Hi t8,
The search aspect could be refined. At present a word search does not discriminate between thread and individual words in those threads so I can understand the frustrations of some expressed here who are searching for the name of a thread but have to trawl through many to find it.
The offense expressed by Phoenix at the personal aspects of some threads such as that by qa also must be addressed IMHO.Hi Nick and anyone else who wants to comment.
I just figured out what you mean. I was trying to work out what QA stood for.
Should such a post be deleted or should it remain as a post that is honest even if it is not wholesome.
I know that such things are not talked about by many, but should they be addressed (as they are real struggles that people go through) or should we delete them lest they offend?
No dont delete them because they are real struggles like you said. I just felt embarrassed being in there LOL. It didnt offend me 100% because I understand that Men go through these issues and so do women. I think I should be more careful next time when going into threads. I was partially joking too when I posted my response in there. I was thinking maybe a Males Only board and likewise for women but that can be a hassle for you maybe. But then at least We wont go looking in the particular boards knowing its not for us to read. I dont know. I think I would still go look in a Males board, only for the sake of my son. And thats the truth LOL seriously.
Thanks Heaven
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PhoenixT8
There are 4 “universal salvation” threads that someone started all at the same time. They are all exactly the same. If you could perhaps delete 3 of them. They're in the Biblical doctrine section.
In light of the debate between T8 and Is 1:18, I wonder if there would be a benefit to adding a “Biblical Debates” category in the “Scripture and Doctrine” section of the site. It would be an area limited to formal debates about various doctrines, and there would be strict rules as to how that debate should be conducted. The debates could either be open to a number of people, or between only two people, but that would be declared up front.
I suggest this possibility because I find that there are many people who come to this forum who practice what I like to call “drive by” theology. They rapidly fire off all of their favorite doctrines, with the requisite proof texts, but they never really answer any serious questions about the views that they espouse. Additionally, many of the discussions go wildly off topic, or get spammed by someone who continues to repeat the same two or three points over and over again.
For example, if I wanted to get a serious assessment of the case for and against the trinity doctrine, I would have to read, (as of this date), 600+ pages of an extremely unfocused discussion, making it nearly impossible for me to get a handle on the various strengths and weaknesses of the different sides of the debate. However, if there were a couple of focused Trinity debates that I could reference, like the one that has started between T8 and Is 1:18, I could quickly figure out the merits of each point of view.
For this to work, however, there would have to be an agreed upon set of rules for the “Biblical Debates” section of the forum. I would propose the following:
1. The parties involved in the debate, and the question being debated, will need to be defined up front in the very first post, and all posts that do not adhere to this restriction will be subject to deletion.
2. Each participant in the debate will respond within a certain amount of time – mutually agreed upon and spelled out in the first post of the debate – and will only be allowed one post at a time.
3. If you have editing rights, any edits that you make to a post must be annotated.
4. Questions in each post will be limited to a mutually agreed upon number, (defined in the first post), but all questions asked must be answered by the opponent(s) in the debate. If a question is not answered, it must be noted, and an explicit reason given for not answering a question. (e.g. The question has a false premise. The question is unrelated to the debate. etc.)
5. A clear method for bringing the debate to a conclusion must be spelled out in the first post. (e.g. top five reasons, top ten scriptures, etc.)
6. In cases of dispute between the parties in the debate about adherence to the agreed upon rules, a third party should be named to resolve the issue. Whatever that person decides will be the final answer on the dispute.
7. The debate will be locked after it is formally concluded. Any discussions that are generated from the debate will be handled in the discussion areas of the forum.Certainly, not everyone would want to participate in a debate, as not everyone is comfortable with that kind of direct doctrinal confrontation, but for those who believe strongly enough that they understand a doctrinal truth well enough to put that doctrine under scrutiny, it will provide a fair and reasonable way to convey that to others, not just the opponent in the debate.
Your thoughts?
Hi WIT,
Some good thought there.
More like a siege than commando warfare?
My suggestion is that no one scripture can be used as a proof
but it must have two supporting witnessing verses.I think it is a great idea.
I could set it up and move the first debate over.
Any other thoughts for or against?
Good ideas WIT. Particularly this one:
Quote wonder if there would be a benefit to adding a “Biblical Debates” category in the “Scripture and Doctrine” section of the site.
I tried to get t8 to agree to it before the debate started, but he was unwilling for what ever reason(s).
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