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I haven’t watched this, but I imagine it will contain a lot of mental gymnastics in order to suit a narrative.
Understanding God is not for the intellectual, but everyone. A child can believe in the one true God. People who say otherwise have to resort to mental gymnastics and claim they are more intelligent. But the wise of this world are fools.
There is one God, aptly named the Father. Simple and true.
Even a child knows that with every father, there is a son or daughter that “made him a father”. No one becomes a father independently of their offspring.
Not disagreeing with that.
He is the father because he has produced offspring.
But he has and always be God.
And Jesus is his Son.
First son. The prototype.
Even a child knows that the child is the same type as their father, therefore the only son would not be the prototype. The father would be the prototype of his only begotten son who would not have any siblings of the same type of both he and his father since he is an only begotten.
…therefore the only son would not be the prototype.
Not so. In Greek, the word for firstborn is protótokos which is where we get our word ‘prototype’. In English, the word prototype is taken from the Greek, prototokos. It means the first or the basis for a new design.
Regardless, God was not born. The Son was born from God. He came from God. He is the first with God and has first place in all things.
Even a child knows that the child is the same type as their father,
I’m not disagreeing with that. If he was born from God he should by all accounts have his nature. That would make him divine also.
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.…
Existing in the form of God is different to actually being God himself. Likewise, existing in the form of man (adam) is different to being Adam himself.
For us, there is one God the Father…
LU…….Jesus said (not me)…….“call no man on earth your Father, for “ONE” is “your” Father who is in heaven. So LU, if Jesus told me that i have only “ONE” father, who is in heaven, what would make him any different then me, Seening we both have the same father?
Again the true question here is , do you people, “truly” believe, what Jesus actually says?
Jesus is the exact “prototype” of what we all must become, he is one of us humans, alwqys was and always will be, every scense he came into his “only” existence, by his birth on this earth, exactly like we were born.
. In English, the word prototype is taken from the Greek,
Would you mind showing your source for that statement?
Gene, this topic is about what “monogenes” means. Some say that it means “unique” and the video shows that it means “only begotten.” It is not about calling anyone else “father.” Please post elsewhere in an appropriate topic. Thanks! LU
LU…….Point is, if Jesus is the “only” begotten” son, Then there could not be any other sons of God, get it! , so when Jesus said, “that we all have ONLY “ONE” father who is in heaven, then he would have been lying, right? SO the “monogenes” scripture has to be talking about him being the only begotten son into the kingdom of God at this time, or him being “UNIQUELY” begotten right? Because it can not be talking about him being the “ONLY” begotten of God, by Jesus’ very own words, which i quoted. Now do you get my point LU?
Peace and love to you and yours LU……….gene
Gene,
There is only one begotten son who is also an only begotten God in the bosom of the Father. All other sons are sons by creation, designation, or being born again. None of the other sons are also an only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father.
No other son is the God who inherits the nations. No son is our God who inherits the nations but one and His name is Jesus.
Proclaimer,
Reposted:
You said:
In English, the word prototype is taken from the Greek,
Would you mind showing your source for that statement?
LU…….please tell us how is a God “begotten”? Please show us by scripture how that is done. Are you talking about Jesus , the one who said, (not me) …..“the son of man can do “nothing” of himself” , is he the God your talking about?
Jesus said, (not me) “this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” true God.
Paul said (not me)…..“unto us there is but “ONE” God , and one mediator between God and men , THE “MAN” , Jesus christ”.
Or is it where God hinself said, (not me) , “I am God and there is no other true God besides me.
Or perhaps where God Said (not me)…. “I looked for another God and found none,
Or perhaps where God said (not me) …..“YOU shall have “NO” other God besides me’.
OUR scriptures are full of statements that say there is “only” one true God. So in what way are we to believe You, Carmel , and Berean, who preach “the “MAN” Jesus was and is a “true” God?
Who are you people, who think in your arragants , you can make another God? Dosen’t even the fear of what God will do to you people, even bother you.
LU ….Arguing about the word “nonogenes” , is like you, swatting at an gnat and swolling a camel. espically in light of all the scriptures that completly disagree with you.
Peace and love to you and yours LU…….gene
Gene,
You asked:
please tell us how is a God “begotten”?
He is born of His Father, the invisible God who He is an image of.
Col 1 15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.…
Gene you said:
Jesus said, (not me) “this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” true God.
Gene Jesus said that we need to know two for eternal life. Is one God and one Lord? Is Yahweh both God and Lord?
Gene said:
Paul said (not me)…..“unto us there is but “ONE” God , and one mediator between God and men , THE “MAN” , Jesus christ”.
Since Jesus Christ is our one Lord and the Father is our one God, and Yahweh is both God and Lord, we need both. Both are “unto us.”
Gene said:
Or is it where God hinself said, (not me) , “I am God and there is no other true God besides me.
Yahweh (who is both God and Lord…Father AND Son) says
“There is no other God but Me,
a righteous God and Savior;
there is none but Me.”
Gene said;
Or perhaps where God Said (not me)…. “Or perhaps where God Said (not me)…. “I looked for another God and found none,
What verse is that?
Gene said:
Or perhaps where God said (not me) …..“YOU shall have “NO” other God besides me’.
Yahweh said that, again, Yahweh is both God AND Lord, Father AND Son.
Understand that and it will help you understand that the Messiah is Yahweh our Righteousness and the rest of your questions.
It’s not arrogance, Gene, it’s your lack of understanding.
My question for you…Who is the one called to rise up and inherit the nations in this verse:
Psalms 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; For You shall inherit all nations.
Blessings, LU
LU……..GOD said this in answer to where you ask me where God said there is no GOD BESIDES HIM ?, remember God said this (not me)…..Isa 44:8…..“fear you not , neither be afraid: have I not told you from that time, and have declaired it? You are my witnesses: is there a GOD besides me? Yea there is no God,; I know not any.
And common sense ought to tell you it is impossible for a Son to be his own Father , the two words demand themself, to be two different persons. If you are unable to even understand that, then it’s no wonder your so confused about everything.
Peace and love to you and yours LU……….gene
Gene,
God is united to His Son, they do the God stuff together. The Father sees Him and His Son as one God in the fullest sense who is both God of gods and Lord of lords named Yahweh. Two different persons acting as one, interdependently to do the God stuff. They are God alone, no one besides Yahweh is God.
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