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bodhitharta,
In Christianity of the bible sins are a sign of faith that falls short of the strength of Jesus’. If sinning is a way of life then it becomes either more about rebelling against the teachings of the Spirit or a sign that the individual does not have the Spirit.
I view both masturbation and smoking as sins since they are both misuse of the body without noble motives. In other words those that commit these actions are treating God’s creation with contempt. Drinking alcohol is not a sin but drinking alcohol to excess is. I believe the last is literally addressed in Scripture unlike the ones I mentioned before it. Dancing and music are considered righteous actions unless they are done with immoral motives according to what is written.
The only justification I can see for masturbation is if it performed without any immoral sexual fantasies involved and I doubt that motivation is justified either. I do view masturbation as a lesser evil than other physical sexual immoral acts. The words about masturbation and smoking are my opinion and not necessary from the Lord.
We, as Christians, are taught not to judge and judging that we are going to hell is just as presumptuous as to claim we are saved. God is the judge of that matter; not us. Our job is to seek to be righteous as God is righteous and we are to seek by faith and not by human effort. Those that both have the Spirit and live by it bear the fruits of the Spirit because those are the sign of God working in them and not the fruits of human effort. The Spirit teaches them and so if they seek to learn from it then it will teach them whether smoking and/or masturbation is a sin as well as all other things necessary to live a life without sin.
Living by the Spirit is an all or nothing situation. If you continuously live by the Spirit of God then you will do all that is right. If you sin then you are not living by the Spirit at the time you sin because the Spirit has nothing to do with sin. You can do right when you live according to the nature of the flesh but your righteousness is by human effort and so will always fall short of the glory of God.
The woman you heard from may be more righteous than many that have taught her as she desires to please God but does not have the power to do so. It all depends on if she has heard and understood the true message of Christ or not. If she heard it and chose remain ignorant of the truth then her sorrow is no different than that of Judas; whom chose to kill himself because the sin he performed. If her lack of knowledge is innocent then God will take that circumstance into acccount on that day.
The number of false teachers claiming to be Christians so enormous that I doubt that woman was taught the truth. Her best way to find it is to read Scripture and follow the guidance of the Spirit of God. It sounds like she does not do that or that she is still learning the truth that God uses the Writings to teach her.
Hi KW,
You make suppositions again.
We must be overcomers as he was.[rev3]
All victory is through grace and he found that grace.
Hi gene
Paul quotes that in roman but what he is quoting is not about believers it has to do with those who are atheist
Psalm 14:1-3King James Version (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
You see mostly Paul is addressing those who do not believe but he weaves that in with talks to believers just as a church pastor preaches come to the lord even when half or most of his congregation have already been baptized or have come to the lord so this type of preaching is to also reach those who have not made the decision yet.
In the Gal 3:22 it is the same way because he is approaching the same spirit of disbelief. Galatians 3:6 clearly shows Righhteousness can be had- 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
and not only Abraham, Noah, Enoch and way too many to ever be listed were righteous even when Jesus came he said there were righteous people and he said he didn’t come for the righteous he came for the sinners.
New American Standard Bible
Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;God did not make the Law difficult so being obedient to God is not too difficult
New International Version
Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.Practice makes perfect so it is the faith of practicing your obedience at ever greater capacity that makes you righteous not just saying praise with your lips
Yes, I say that but you also don’t agree when he says he has only been sent to the lost sheep of Israel, right?
Hi BD,
Why are you trying to make the bible say something it does not say. You accept the first part but reject the second.
“And he said,
It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel:
I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
(Isaiah 49:6)Muhammad is the false prophet of Revelation – reject him and accept Jesus as God’s anointed Leader,
B’shem
YHVHEDJ
I asked what did JESUS say…did Jesus say that in Isaiah 49:6 did he not know he was to be a light to the gentiles if so why did he say
Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:Hi BD,
The salvation message changed once the chosen people had had their opportunity.
Now you have a chance to avoid the wrath of God.
Actually there is no rejection I love the Messiah with all my heart so I must speak the truth the best I can now you said I was lying so when I present the words of Jesus from Jesus(according to the scriptures) you get upset at who? me or Jesus?
BD. ……PAUL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT “ALL” MANKIND, NOT JUST SOME OF THEM. HE EVEN WAS SPEAKING ABOUT HIMSEL ALSO.
ROM 3:9….WHAT THEN? ARE “WE” BETTER THAN THEY? NO, IN NO WISE: FOR WE HAVE BEFORE PROVED BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES , THAT THEY ARE “ALL” UNDER SIN; AS IT IS WRITTEN, THERE IS NONE RIGHTIOUS, NO NOT ONE:
THAT IS A ALL INCLUSIVE STATEMENT IT EVEN ENCLUDED PAUL HIMSELF.
Scripture does not say Abraham was a rightious man, it says his Faith was “RECOND” TO HIM AS RIGHTIOUSNESS.
Jesus said this,”why call me good, there is only “ONE” THAT IS GOOD, AND THAT IS GOD. SO JESUS DID NOT EVEN RECON HIMSELF AS GOOD.
PAUL ALSO SAID THIS,
ROM 7:18… FOR I KNOW THAT IN ME (that is in my flesh) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good i find not. 19, For the good that i would i do not: but the evil which i would not, that i do. Now if i do that i would not do , it is no more i that do it but SIN THAT “DWELLS” IN ME. 23, I FIND then a law, that when I would do good EVIL IS PRESENT WITH ME.
Now if that was the apostle Paul’s condition, how is it that you can say we don’t need the “SACRIFICE” ofJESUS CHRIST , FOR US TO STAND JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD? FOR IT IS BY HIS SACRIFICE WE FIND ACCEPTENCE BEFORE GOD, IT IS NOT OF our WORKS, BUT BY OUR FAITH IN JESUS’, FAITH IN GOD, THAT JUSTIFIES US TO ETERNAL LIFE. WE ARE SAVED BY “GRACE” AND THAT NOT OF OURSELVES IT IS A GIFT OF GOD. WHAT IS? OUR “JUSTIFICATION” , AND THEREFORE “ACCEPTENCE” BY GOD THE FATHER , THROUGH THE “FAITH” OF JESUS, who is THE CHRIST OF GOD. He is our kindsmen redeemer. He is the Lamb of God which was sacrificed for the our sins, and not ours only but for the whole world, as the apostle JOHN SAID.
BD YOU CAN NOT BE ACCEPTED BEFORE GOD THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH THE DOOR, JESUS WHO GAVE HIS LIFE FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD HE IS THE LAMB OF GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, JESUS HIMSELF SAID “NO” MAN “CAN” COME UNTO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM, AND NO MAN CAN COME UNTO JESUS EXCEPT THE FATHER “DRAW” HIM. SO IF YOU REFUSE TO EXCEPT JESUS AND WHAT HE ACCOMPLISHED FOR YOU, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, YOU SIMPLY REMAIN IN YOUR SINS AND ETERNAL LIFE DOES NOT ABIDE IN YOU. REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPLE AND BECOME PART OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. MY GOD GRANT YOU THIS UNDERSTANDING BROTHER.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
Hi Gene
What is fascinating is that you place both Jesus and Paul in the category of “all” being under sin, then you Quoted Jesus
as sayingJesus said this,”why call me good, there is only “ONE” THAT IS GOOD, AND THAT IS GOD. SO JESUS DID NOT EVEN RECON HIMSELF AS GOOD.
But then you went the other direction and said we need the Sacrifice of Jesus. If Jesus was MURDERED that wouldn’t be an acceptable sacrifice and if Jesus is not “good” that is not a good sacrifice, furthermore God doesn’t accept HUMAN sacrifice in-fact he says it never even came to his mind for anyone to do those things:
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:Psalm 106:38
And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.Now you could say God simply didn’t want these sacrifices to be to baal or Canaan but the tone is more of a disgust that someone should sacrifice their child.Yet somehow you are truly convinced that not only God sacrificed someone he called son but he also accepted innocent blood as a payment for others.
God also hates the shedding of innocent blood
What is more profound is you say you agree that all are under sin and yet God uses the term INNOCENT blood, how could anyone be innocent if what you say is correct and you have stated man cannot be righteous but that is not what God says:
Ezekiel 3:21
Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.How can you warn a righteous man if no one is righteous? This verse shows that there are righteous men but I will show another point:
Matthew 10:41
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.again you cannot have these verses if there are no righteous men, but still one more point:
Matthew 13:17
For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.Jesus is here speaking of righteous men of the past who longed to see the day of the Messiah.
Genesis 6:9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.
If I have submitted worthy proof then we should agree that man can be righteous according to the scriptures
HI Kerwin
n Christianity of the bible sins are a sign of faith that falls short of the strength of Jesus’. If sinning is a way of life then it becomes either more about rebelling against the teachings of the Spirit or a sign that the individual does not have the Spirit.
Agreed
I view both masturbation and smoking as sins since they are both misuse of the body without noble motives. In other words those that commit these actions are treating God’s creation with contempt. Drinking alcohol is not a sin but drinking alcohol to excess is. I believe the last is literally addressed in Scripture unlike the ones I mentioned before it. Dancing and music are considered righteous actions unless they are done with immoral motives according to what is written.
Your view as something as a sin does not make it a sin you cannot simply make up what God did not inform you was a sin, the bible is extremely explicit with what is a sexual sin and Masturbation is not anywhere to be found because it is not a sin….if you do not want to do it then don’t do it but don’t confuse what you feel strange about with a sin. Drinking alcohol is the same way it’s not a sin but it is not always the best choice to make but it depends and varies all without being a sin:
Proverbs 3:17 Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.
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upon receiving the Holy spirit many spoke in tongues the onlookers supposed they were drunk the disciples response was simply this:
Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
Which means not that they don’t get drunk, they just do so later in the day if that is what they are going to do so obviously no sin as these were the disciples of Jesus and they had already received the Holy Spirit
As far as your body being a temple, do not they burn incense in the temple? The point is if you are feeling guilty for things that are not sins it is possible that satan is causing this feeling trying to prevent you from living abundantly and in Dominion, God gave you this world if you are not sinning against God with disbelief or against your neighbor then why trouble yourself with self created monsters? If you feel your behaviours just make you feel undisciplned that’s understandable but don’t institute sins that do not exist.
The only justification I can see for masturbation is if it performed without any immoral sexual fantasies involved and I doubt that motivation is justified either. I do view masturbation as a lesser evil than other physical sexual immoral acts. The words about masturbation and smoking are my opinion and not necessary from the Lord.
Yes, not from the lord and therefor not sins
We, as Christians, are taught not to judge and judging that we are going to hell is just as presumptuous as to claim we are saved. God is the judge of that matter; not us. Our job is to seek to be righteous as God is righteous and we are to seek by faith and not by human effort. Those that both have the Spirit and live by it bear the fruits of the Spirit because those are the sign of God working in them and not the fruits of human effort. The Spirit teaches them and so if they seek to learn from it then it will teach them whether smoking and/or masturbation is a sin as well as all other things necessary to live a life without sin.
Human effort is what God wants otherwise we wouldn’t be human….If you have Faith in God you are being a proper human and should act accordingly, God created the HUMAN being and said what he made was VERY GOOD
Living by the Spirit is an all or nothing situation. If you continuously live by the Spirit of God then you will do all that is right. If you sin then you are not living by the Spirit at the time you sin because the Spirit has nothing to do with sin. You can do right when you live according to the nature of the flesh but your righteousness is by human effort and so will always fall short of the glory of God.
You are a Human and not a Spirit, if God wanted you to be a spirit he would have made you one.God made the entire world for you to enjoy with VERY FEW limitations to enjoy it and those limitations were so you could enjoy it to the fullest, the best spirituality is helping the process by being thankful and grateful to God for this astounding opportunity and do whatever you can to assist others in being thankful and grateful to God
The woman you heard from may be more righteous than many that have taught her as she desires to please God but does not have the power to do so. It all depends on if she has heard and understood the true message of Christ or not. If she heard it and chose remain ignorant of the truth then her sorrow is no different than that of Judas; whom chose to kill himself because the sin he performed. If her lack of knowledge is innocent then God will take that circumstance into acccount on that day.
She has the power to please God and one way to do it is stop blaming and accusing God and the message of Christ is the Message of God:
John 10:10 (KJ21)
10 The thief cometh not but to steal and to kill and to destroy. I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
You see man loves to control man, don’t touch this, don’t do that, these are the commands and traditions of men so that they may control and rule other men….this is what they said and did to Jesus….don’t do this, why are you doing that, you can’t say that….He knew they weren’t being truly humane
The number of false teachers claiming to be Christians so enormous that I doubt that woman was taught the truth. Her best way to find it is to read Scripture and follow the guidance of the Spirit of God. It sounds like she does not do that or that she is still learning the truth that God uses the Writings to teach her.
Yes, you are correct
BD. … JESUS SAID WHY CALL ME GOOD, THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT ONE AND THAT IS GOD, PLEASE ANSWER THIS, IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS COULD CLAM HIMSELF AS ACTUALLY BEING A GOOD PERSON. YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE JESUS AND LOVE HIM, BUT you DENY HIS WORDS, SCRIPTURE SAYS ABRAHAM”S RIGHTIOUSNES WAS “ATTRIBUTED” TO HIM” BY HIS FAITH IN GOD, NOT BY ANY OF HIS OWN WORKS. IT ALSO SAYS IF IT IS BY HIS OWN WORKS THEN IT IS A DEBIT THAT WAS OWED HIM, but the bible says, it was not by or because of by any works of his, but rightiouseness was “ATTRIBUTED ” to him BECAUSE OF his faith in GOD and that is why HE RECIEVED THE PROMISE.
Jesus also said he was the good sheppard, so in you view you would use that as attributing himself as being good, so that would appear as a countradiction of what he said about tnere is ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD AND THAT IS GOD, but being good at particular thing as shepherding , does not qualify as a good over all person. Jesus never viewed himself as a good person so he would not attribute that to himself.
If a man does what is commanded and required of him by GOD, DOES THAT MAKE HE “HIMSELF” RIGHTIOUS PERSON? OR HAVEN’T YOU READ THIS,
LUK 17:10….. So likewise you, when you shall have done “all” those things that arecommanded you, say we are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. That was the mindset ofJESUS CHRIST our lord.
He never reckoned himself as BEING GOOD, because he was DOING the FATHERS COMMANDMENTS, AND WE ALSO SHOULD HAVE THIS SAME ATTITUDE . IMO
SCRIPTURE SAY OUR “RIGHTIOUSNESS” IS AS FILTY RAGS TO GOD, WHY IS THAT BD? Look you can make scripture say almost what ever you want it to say, but if it denies what JESUS SAYS YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene
If a man does what is commanded and required of him by GOD, DOES THAT MAKE HE “HIMSELF” RIGHTIOUS PERSON? OR HAVEN’T YOU READ THIS,
Proverbs 15:29
The Lord is far from the wicked, but he listens to the prayers of the righteous.If no one is righteous why does this verse say this?
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