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  • #343808
    carmel
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    kerwin,May wrote:

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    The spirit of antichrist is already here.

    Kerwin,

    Here is the antichrist's residence!

    We are his remnants!

    The antichrist's spirit was within Jesus!

    The antichrist was suppose to be Jesus,according to Satan's belief!

    Satan within Judas kissed Jesus simply because he was convinced that Jesus was the son of perdition, THE ANTICHRIST!

    It is also the fact that they all fell backwords when Jesus told them that he was Jesus the nazarene!

    AFTER JUDAS KISSED JESUS,AND ARRESTED HIM, JESUS REMOVED SATAN FROM WITHIN JUDAS IN THE FORM OF A NUDE MAN, AND HE RAN AWAY,AND BECAME AWARE FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH, HIS CREATORE!

    THAT'S WHY JUDAS REALIZED THAT HE MADE A MISTAKE!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #343810
    942767
    Participant

    Hi Charles:

    You say:

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    Marty,

    ARE WE DOING THIS TO PLEASE OURSELVES,OR TO PLEASE AND FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD GOD FROM MY SIDE?

    I AM SURE THAT YOU WOULD SAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

    VERY WELL I ACCEPT IT FOR THE LOVE  OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD GOD , IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT GOD ALMIGHTY WOULD ALSO ACCEPT IT!

    God is glorified through the life of the obdient son, and so in doing all things that we do as a service unto our Lord, we are pleasing God.

    Then you say:

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    define:

    I ascend to IN FULL AND MAKE SURE TO REFER TO STRONG'S,THEN PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT[/B]

    ( I KNOW YOU WON'T PRAY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU PRAY TO GOD ONLY,JUST A SUGGESTION)

    IN ORDER TO SEE THE RIGHT UNDERSTANDING!

    I am sure that if you understand, of which I surely doubt, or you won't accept it even if the Holy Spirit shows you the truth, since you do not believe in him as God,

    This is what Stong's condordance states relative to the word “ascend”:

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    Number 305
    Transliteration:
    anabaino {an-ab-ah'-ee-no}
    Word Origin:
    from 303 and the base of 939
    TDNT:
    1:519,90
    Part of Speech:
    verb
    Usage in the KJV:
    go up 37, come up 10, ascend 10, ascend up 8, climb up 2, spring up 2, grow up 2, come 2, enter 2, arise 2, rise up 2, misc 2, vr ascend 1

    Total: 82
    Definition:
    ascend

    And so, the scripture states that he was going to ascend to his Father and his God and to our Father and our God.  What is so hard to understand about this.  Is he not at the right hand of God as head of the church?  He said “he was going to ascend (go up) to the Father.  The Father's throne is in heaven, and that is where Jesus is, and he will come from there for the  church.

    And when I pray, I pray as Jesus taught the disciples in Matthew 6 when he stated when you pray: “Pray our Father which art in heaven…”, and so, no I don't pray to the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and is His Spirit, not a “third person of a tri-une God”.

    This is what the scripture states about the Holy Spirit:

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    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom , which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
    8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it , they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
    9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    Also, it was when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the virgin Mary that Jesus was conceived in her womb, and Jesus does not call the Holy Spirit Father, does he?

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    30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
    31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
    32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
    33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
    34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
    35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    And so, then is Jesus the Son of the “third person of a tri-une God” or is He “the Christ, the Son of the Living God”?

    And you stated this relative to what was stated about Jesus being a mediator between God and man:

    NOW TO OUR PARTICULAR POINT OF DISCUSSION

    YOU SAID:

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    one who intervenes between two,

    PERFEECT

    SO TO BE CLEAR THESE TWO PARTICULAR PARTIES ARE DEFINITELY ENEMIES,AND DIFFERENT IN EVERY SENSE  NO?

    Now let's say for our argument :

    one is a Doctor and one is the most stupid garbage collector,  

    WHAT KIND OF A MEDIATOR SHOULD THESE TWO BEINGS LOOK FOR?

    ANOTHER  DOCTOR ?

    A SOLICITOR ?

    A COUNSELOR ?

    PSYCHIATRIST ?

    A SOCIOLOGIST ? AND SO ON! OR

    ANOTHER GARBAGE COLLECTOR

    OR A PERSON BOTH A DOCTOR AND A GARBAGE COLLECTOR?

    IN ORDER TO BE PERFECT IN HIS INTERVENTIONS!

    NO! NO! DO NOT RUSH TO CONCLUSIONS READ AND REFLECT FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!

    Following is a scripture will answer this question:

    Romans 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

    And you asked:

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    Galatians 3:20 a mediator is not of one: but God is one WHY?

    The Apostle Paul is stating that God gave the promises of to Abraham and his seed directly, He did not use a mediator, but the Law was added because of transgression through a mediator, Moses, and the people of Israel, but it does not disanul the covenant with Abraham and his seed which was fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

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    Hbr 6:13 ¶ For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,  

    Hbr 6:14   Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.  

    Hbr 6:15   And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.  

    Hbr 6:16   For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation [is] to them an end of all strife.  

    Hbr 6:17   Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of
    promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath:  

    Hbr 6:18   That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

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    Rom 3:28   Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.  

    Rom 3:29   [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:  

    Rom 3:30   Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.  

    Rom 3:31   Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.  

    I hope that I have answered your questions.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #343816
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (jb2u @ April 29 2013,01:09)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:16)
    The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes!


    Are you taking or giving this advice??

    Where was my mistake??


    If he took his own advice here, that would be a great day.
    But I know that he is giving it because in his own mind he believes he is great and too important to make these kinds of mistakes. Could be wrong, but I am yet to see him admit to any of his mistakes.

    #343817
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (david @ May 04 2013,17:47)
    No. See the account. Read the account. He starts out with:

    “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    Now, compare this to revelation:

    “In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    –rev 18:24


    Good stuff david.

    :)

    #343819
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 05 2013,14:28)
    Hi T8,

    Though you disagree with “The Trinitarians” view of God,
    I have successfully illustrated the merits of these:

    1. God the Father
    2. Jesus Christ
    3. Holy Spirit

    as they pertain to the three top (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel) of the five Major books of the bible…


    Ed J. You lack understanding. We are not denying the Father, his Spirit, and his son.

    We are denying the Trinity Doctrine. It says that they are all the one God and that they are three persons of that one God.

    But we believe Jesus when he said, “This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you”.

    Teaching the Trinity Doctrine goes against the words of Jesus Christ. So we believe the testimony of Jesus and men who are under the influence of pride are susceptible to the philosophy of man. If we deny the testimony of the son, we deny the one who sent him.

    We believe that the God of Jesus is his Father and our Father. It is he who is the true God. And it is he that the son brings us into union with. If you deny this, then you deny the testimony.

    #343820
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2013,17:01)

    Quote (carmel @ May 04 2013,01:06)
    John 14:1  LET not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, (not Yahweh)BELIEVE ALSO IN ME

    BELIEVING ONLY IN GOD, IS USELESS!

    CALL ONTO GOD ONLY IS USELESS!


    It is amazing to me how, in the process of trying to convince us that Jesus IS God, Trinitarians often use wording that clearly distinguishes Jesus as someone other than God.

    jammin, in the other thread, keeps telling me that he readily accepts that Jesus is the Son, Mediator, Priest, Lamb, and Servant OF God, but then adds:  But he is God too!

    These kinds of comments simply don't register in my God-given sense-o-meter.  :)


    Yes that is ironic and they are unable to see how silly these statements are. And when they do see the paradox, then the “God is beyond our understanding” argument comes into play.

    So they have been sold man-made foolishness and defend it vigorously. It is in the realm of religion that men choose to be foolish. Whether that be the religion of any God or no God.

    The best we can do is be fools for Christ. But what is a man who denies the teaching of Christ? He must be a fool for something else.

    Jesus said, “This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you”. And many here deny Jesus and by correcting us who speak this, they are correcting Jesus too and the Father who sent him. Do these people realise the gravity of the situation. I think not.

    #343821
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    Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,04:24)

    Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,12:29)


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    1. God the Father
    2. Jesus Christ
    3. Holy Spirit
    4. Angels (theos/elohim)
    5. Men (counsel/theos)

    My point is that you can force the numbers anyway you want.

    t8,

    THAT IS A VERY POOR ASSUMPTION!


    Wrong Charles. God, Jesus, angels, men/councels are called theos and elohim in scripture.

    If you deny that, you deny reality. And if you religion cannot encompass all scripture, then you are not embracing the full truth. Simple as that.

    #343824
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,04:46)

    Quote (david @ May 04 2013,17:47)
    No. See the account.  Read the account.  He starts out with:

    “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    Now, compare this to revelation:

    “In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    –rev 18:24


    Good stuff david.

    :)


    David

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    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    please can you show me the scriptures were Christ says this ;all the righteous blood spilled on the earth;????

    #343825
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2013,10:59)

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,04:46)

    Quote (david @ May 04 2013,17:47)
    No. See the account.  Read the account.  He starts out with:

    “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    Now, compare this to revelation:

    “In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    –rev 18:24


    Good stuff david.

    :)


    David

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    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    please can you show me the scriptures were Christ says this ;all the righteous blood spilled on the earth;????


    Hi Pierre:

    No, it does not say that the Pharisees and the Scribes were responsible for all the righteous blood that was spilled on the earth. This is what it says:

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    Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

    Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

    Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

    Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

    Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

    Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

    Mat 23:37 ¶ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!

    Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    What it states is that their judgment will be more severe than those who killed the prophets in the OT because they have the greater revelation, and yet they continue persecuting and even killing the prophets sent to them. It does not say that they were responsible for the actions of those that committed those acts in the OT.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #343827
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,10:00)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 05 2013,14:28)
    Hi T8,

    Though you disagree with “The Trinitarians” view of God,
    I have successfully illustrated the merits of these:

    1. God the Father
    2. Jesus Christ
    3. Holy Spirit

    as they pertain to the three top (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel) of the five Major books of the bible…


    Ed J. You lack understanding. We are not denying the Father, his Spirit, and his son.

    We are denying the Trinity Doctrine. It says that they are all the one God and that they are three persons of that one God.

    But we believe Jesus when he said, “This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you”.

    Teaching the Trinity Doctrine goes against the words of Jesus Christ. So we believe the testimony of Jesus and men who are under the influence of pride are susceptible to the philosophy of man. If we deny the testimony of the son, we deny the one who sent him.

    We believe that the God of Jesus is his Father and our Father. It is he who is the true God. And it is he that the son brings us into union with. If you deny this, then you deny the testimony.


    Hi T8,

    What I illustrate here is that the concept of “The Trinity” is
    to narrow a scope when defining the actions of “GOD”.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #343828
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,10:13)

    Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,04:24)

    Quote (t8 @ May 03 2013,12:29)


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    1. God the Father
    2. Jesus Christ
    3. Holy Spirit
    4. Angels (theos/elohim)
    5. Men (counsel/theos)

    My point is that you can force the numbers anyway you want.

    t8,

    THAT IS A VERY POOR ASSUMPTION!


    Wrong Charles. God, Jesus, angels, men/councels are called theos and elohim in scripture.

    If you deny that, you deny reality. And if you religion cannot encompass all scripture, then you are not embracing the full truth. Simple as that.


    Hi T8,

    Glad to see you realize that we as well as the angels
    will take part in revealing YHVH to this world.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #343829
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,09:43)

    Quote (jb2u @ April 29 2013,01:09)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 29 2013,00:16)
    The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes!


    Are you taking or giving this advice??

    Where was my mistake??


    If he took his own advice here, that would be a great day.
    But I know that he is giving it because in his own mind he believes he is great and too important to make these kinds of mistakes. Could be wrong, but I am yet to see him admit to any of his mistakes.


    Hi T8,

    You're forgetting that it was I who suggested that you to start the thread:
    “Have you learned something new., Have you changed your mind?    
    (as a place to document what “we” (not just me) learned at H-net)

    And how it was my suggestion for you to start the category “The Hot Seat”
    (as a place to document those who refuse to answer simple questions)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #343830
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ May 06 2013,07:21)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2013,10:59)

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,04:46)

    Quote (david @ May 04 2013,17:47)
    No. See the account.  Read the account.  He starts out with:

    “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    Now, compare this to revelation:

    “In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    –rev 18:24


    Good stuff david.

    :)


    David

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    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    please can you show me the scriptures were Christ says this ;all the righteous blood spilled on the earth;????


    Hi Pierre:

    No, it does not say that the Pharisees and the Scribes were responsible for all the righteous blood that was spilled on the earth.  This is what it says:

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    Mat 23:29   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,  

    Mat 23:30   And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.  

    Mat 23:31   Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.  

    Mat 23:32   Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.  

    Mat 23:33   [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?  

    Mat 23:34   Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:  

    Mat 23:35   That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.  

    Mat 23:36   Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.  

    Mat 23:37 ¶ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!  

    Mat 23:38   Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    What it states is that their judgment will be more severe than those who killed the prophets in the OT because they have the greater revelation, and yet they continue persecuting and even killing the prophets sent to them.  It does not say that they were responsible for the actions of those that committed those acts in the OT.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Hi Marty

    Yes I understand,this is the wording that Christ says against Jerusalem ,and their leaders ,that should save the people but instead bring them to face dead,and desolation,

    Those scriptures have nothing to do with Revelation 18:24

    #343836
    carmel
    Participant

    942767,May wrote:

    [/quote]

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    I ascend to IN FULL AND MAKE SURE TO REFER TO STRONG'S,THEN PRAY THE HOLY SPIRIT[/B]

    Marty!

    I'm afraid you didn't get the message!

    I said:

    ASCEND TO not ascend!

    the word ascend has a vast definition, IT COULD MEAN ALSO ASCEND TO A HIGHER STATE, OR A HIGHER POSITION,GET PROMOTED,  and in order to get the right definition you must define also the word to

    they are attached to each other, THAT'S WHY I SAID IN FULL

    SO: ASCEND TO

    HAVE ANOTHER GO!

    IN THE MEAN TIME I CONTINUE READING YOUR POST !

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #343837
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ May 06 2013,03:16)

    kerwin,May wrote:

    [/quote]

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    The spirit of antichrist is already here.

    Kerwin,

    Here is the antichrist's residence!

    We are his remnants!

    The antichrist's spirit was within Jesus!

    The antichrist was suppose to be Jesus,according to Satan's belief!

    Satan within Judas kissed Jesus simply because he was convinced that Jesus was the son of perdition, THE ANTICHRIST!

    It is also the fact that they all fell backwords when Jesus told them that he was Jesus the nazarene!

    AFTER JUDAS KISSED JESUS,AND ARRESTED HIM, JESUS REMOVED SATAN FROM WITHIN JUDAS IN THE FORM OF A NUDE MAN, AND HE RAN AWAY,AND BECAME AWARE FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH, HIS CREATORE!

    THAT'S WHY JUDAS REALIZED THAT HE MADE A MISTAKE!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    carmel,

    The Spirit of the antichrist has been around since sin was conceived in Satan's heart.

    Jesus was tempted even as is common to man but did not conceive sin in his heart.

    #343838
    carmel
    Participant

    942767,May wrote:

    [/quote]

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    God is glorified through the life of the obdient son

    Marty,

    I would appreciate it IF YOU WERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS THIS GLORY CONSISTS OF:

    John 17:1THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said:

    Father, the hour is come,

    GLORIFY YOU SON, THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY YOU!

    WHO IS GLORIFYING WHO?

    THE FATHER

    THE SON

    OR BOTH?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #343839
    david
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ May 06 2013,12:21)

    Quote (terraricca @ May 06 2013,10:59)

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,04:46)

    Quote (david @ May 04 2013,17:47)
    No. See the account.  Read the account.  He starts out with:

    “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    Now, compare this to revelation:

    “In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    –rev 18:24


    Good stuff david.

    :)


    David

    Quote
    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    please can you show me the scriptures were Christ says this ;all the righteous blood spilled on the earth;????


    Hi Pierre:

    No, it does not say that the Pharisees and the Scribes were responsible for all the righteous blood that was spilled on the earth.  This is what it says:

    Quote
    Mat 23:29   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,  

    Mat 23:30   And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.  

    Mat 23:31   Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.  

    Mat 23:32   Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.  

    Mat 23:33   [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?  

    Mat 23:34   Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:  

    Mat 23:35   That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.  

    Mat 23:36   Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.  

    Mat 23:37 ¶ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!  

    Mat 23:38   Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    What it states is that their judgment will be more severe than those who killed the prophets in the OT because they have the greater revelation, and yet they continue persecuting and even killing the prophets sent to them.  It does not say that they were responsible for the actions of those that committed those acts in the OT.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Well. Maybe read all the bibles from biblecc:

    New International Version (©2011)
    And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    As a result, you will be held responsible for the murder of all godly people of all time–from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar.

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
    So all the righteous blood shed on the earth will be charged to you, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

    International Standard Version (©2012)
    As a result, you will be held accountable for all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of the righteous Abel to the blood of Berechiah's son Zechariah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

    NET Bible (©2006)
    so that on you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    So that all the blood of the righteous may come upon you that has been shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel, even unto the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered in the midst of The Temple and the altar.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    As a result, you will be held accountable for all the innocent blood of those murdered on earth, from the murder of righteous Abel to that of Zechariah, son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom you slew between the temple and the altar.

    American King James Version
    That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar.

    American Standard Version
    that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom
    you killed between the temple and the altar.

    Darby Bible Translation
    so that all righteous blood shed upon the earth should come upon you, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    English Revised Version
    that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel, to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Weymouth New Testament
    that all the innocent blood shed upon earth may come on you, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Berechiah whom you murdered between the Sanctuary and the altar.

    World English Bible
    that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom you killed between the sanctuary and the altar.

    Young's Literal Translation
    that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar:

    #343840
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    In English it is called “taken aback”.

    #343841
    david
    Participant

    Actually, 94, that's pretty much what half of these bibles say. The other half say a similar thing, but much more vaguely.

    #343842
    david
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 06 2013,09:46)

    Quote (david @ May 04 2013,17:47)
    No. See the account.  Read the account.  He starts out with:

    “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!”

    Then he says that they (THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES) were responsible for:
    “all the righteous blood spilled on the earth.”

    Now, compare this to revelation:

    “In her [babylon the great] was found the blood of the prophets and of the holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
    –rev 18:24


    Good stuff david.

    :)


    Kerwin, thoughts?

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