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david, God's people are in Babylon and are told to come out lest they endure judgement along with her. God's people belong to God. God's people have a sprinkling of ministries and gifts.
And the timing here is what is important. A person who lives in an age or environment enlightenment is expected to live up to the revelation they have. A person who lives in an age of darkness is also expected to live up to the revelation they have, except that they likely have less revelation.
If a man had 1 dollar to invest and another 1000 dollars to invest, you would expect more from the latter. A teacher who lives in this age of darkness, is expected to teach that which he knows is true. When the light gets stronger, then you would expect them to grow with that light.
Nevertheless, a teacher who teaches lies and teaches others to follow that is to be avoided or corrected. But a teacher can remain true if he teaches that which he knows is true and is true. When he ventures out into things based on tradition and misconceptions like the Trinity, then he is teaching lies.
That said, if he teaches these false things a lot then he is probably a false teacher. If he teaches it rarely then he could be excused for teaching from his own cultural background once in a while and not by the spirit of God. And have we not all done that? But think, is the latter a false teacher?
If I ran for New Zealand in the Olympics, then I would be a runner. If I ran to the shop to get a coffee before it closed, would I be a runner? No that wouldn't be a good enough reason to say I am a runner. Likewise if I coded a website I could be called a programmer or web designer. But if I put some HTML in this post, would that mean I was a programmer? No it wouldn't be enough.
Thus is a man a false teacher if he casually parrots of his cultural background once in a while when he lets the flesh have its way, but most of the time teaches the truth. I think not. Myself and yourself do not have the wisdom or the right to draw the line. We can understand that there are 2 sides. Lies and truth. Where some men are standing may be obvious, but we cannot judge exactly regarding every person can we because we do not see the heart of every man as Christ can.
Quote (david @ April 26 2013,13:14) Quote Babylon is a consumer of merchant goods. It sounds more like a country than anything else. Aren't 1/4 of all purchases done for Christmas (a religious holiday).
David,You may be correct but though Christmas might undergo a name change I do not see it being abolished as it makes money. Maybe zealots , who are not influenced by merchants, do it.
Babylon is destroyed and its destruction causes the merchants of the world great distress. That is only one characteristic of Babylon the Great.
jb2u
Quote I consider myself to be a simple man. I have to read the Bible and take it as truth. Where I see an apparent contradiction, I research to find an answer. Where I see ambiguity, I look at the context and scripture “tie in” with other Bible books. Anyway, thank you again for the kind remarks. I give all credit for any knowledge that I have to GOD!!
same here love to read your comments
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote God did not Hide who He is. Jb2u,
Reflect before you post:
Isaiah 45:15 Verily thou art a hidden God, the God of Israel the saviour.
Quote You are saying GOD gave GOD authority. I want to see scripture where it says…Jesus is Yahweh
THE FATHER SAID:
Hebrews 1:8But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
SO THE SON IS GOD THE WORD THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, SO GOD IN FLESH
THIS GOD HAS A THRONE
THIS THRONE IS ETERNAL
HAS ALSO A SCEPTRE A SCEPTRE OF JUSTICE
THIS SCEPTRE BELONG ALSO TO THE SON'S KINGDOM. GOD'S KINGDOM
SO JESUS'S KINGDOM IS GOD'S KINGDOM, OWNS A SCEPTRE OFJUSTICE, AND AN ETERNAL THRONE!
I WONDER WHAT THE FATHER'S JOB IS? DO YOU?
Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore GOD,
thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, didst found the earth: and the works of thy hands are the heavens.
WHO FOUND THE EARTH GOD THE SON! NO?
BY WHOM 'S HANDS ARE THE WORKS OF THE HEAVENS ?GOD’S THE SON'! NO?
Quote How many times do we see “GOD and Jesus Christ” in the Bible. If Jesus is God or part of the triune God, then there is no need to say “God and Jesus Christ JESUS IS THE WORD FOR SURE SINCE THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!
AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,AND THE WORD WAS GOD!
SO JESUS, THE WORD, IS THE GODHEAD IN FLESH
SO JESUS IS THE TRIUNE GOD IN FLESH!
WE ALSO KNOW THAT JESUS WAS GIVEN ALL POWERS INTO HIS HANDS,WHICH MEANS THAT THE FULL FUNCTION OF GOD WAS ALL IN THE SON, THE WORD!
THEREFORE ALMIGHTY GOD IN FLESH! WHILE ON EARTH IN TWO FULL SEPARATE PERSONS GOD/ MAN!
IN ONE FLESH BODY!
THE FATHER AS JESUS’ SPIRIT
If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, AND YOU HAVE SEEN HIM JESUS IS GOD!
8Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 10Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works
THE HOLY SPIRIT AS JESUS’ SOUL
Jeremiah 32: And I will rejoice over them, when I shall do them good: and I will plant them in this land in truth, with my whole heart, and with all my soul. THE FATHER IN THE ABOVE IS REFERRING TO THE WORD JESUS, HIS SON SINCE ONLY JESUS BECAME MAN AND OWNS A HEART AND A SOUL, THE FATHER IS A GENUINE PURE SPIRIT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF BODY !
THE SON AS JESUS’ FLESH BODY
Jeremiah 32:26 And the word of the Lord came to Jeremias, saying: 27Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall any thing be hard for me?
THE FATHER IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE CONFIRMED THAT HE BECAME GOD OF ALL FLESH, ENPHASIZED WITH THE STATEMENT :
“SHALL ANYTHING BE HARD FOR ME,”
OBVIOUS AS I SAID THE FATHER IS A GENUINE SPIRIT AND REMAINS SO ETERNALLY,SO ONLY BY BEING JESUS, THE WORD, HIS SON HAD PROVEN:
THAT NOTHING IS HARD FOR HIM! THEREFOR BECAME GOD/MAN IN FLESH!
SO IT IS CLEAR THAT JESUS AS A BEING WAS ON EARTH ENTIRELY OF ALMIGHTY GOD’S GENUINE SPIRIT!
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
SO ALMIGHTY GOD AND JESUS CHRIST THE WORD ARE TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS OF GOD
ALMIGHTY GOD IS ONLY A SPIRIT, THE TRIUNE GOD, ALL IN THE FATHER!
THE FIRST PARTICULAR FUNCTION WHO CREATED THE SPIRITUAL CREATURES!
THE WORD IS A SPIRIT BEING, THE TRIUNE GOD , ALL IN THE SON! AS A MEDIATOR THE SECOND PARTICULAR FUNCTION
WHO CREATED THE MATERIAL CREATURES! WHO IS MOTHER EARTH
THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH IS A TRIUNE GOD, BOTH A SPIRITUAL BEING AND A MATERIAL BEING, THE TRIUNE GOD ALL IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE THIRD AND FINAL PARTICULAR FUNCTION
WHO RECREATED OUR CREATION ON THE CROSS ,AS JESUS CHRIST! AND BECAME :
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
THE ONLY TRUE SPIRIT, AND FLESH UNITED AS ONE BEING ETERNALLY,
AND HE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THE FATHER, FOR ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES TO VERIFY THEMSELVES ,AND TO ALL CARNAL CREATURES TO ALSO VERIFY THIS WHILE ON EARTH , DEPENDING ONLY TO THE SON![/B
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looking up steadfastly to heaven,
SAW THE GLORY OF GOD,
and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And he said: Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
SO THE GLORY OF GOD INCLUDES THE SON OF MAN!
NOT THE SON OF GOD SINCE GOD IS GLORIFIED THROUGH HIM AS MAN IN SPIRIT, SOUL, AND FLESH! THE TRIUNE GOD!
JUSTIFICATION:
BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER
AND OF THE SON
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITTHE BAPTIZM OF JESUS, THE WORD,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD BOTH IN SPIRIT AND FLESH ETERNALLY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2013,05:44) Hi JB2U, If you don't mind me asking, what does it stand for?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Just my name….John or JB, I've been called both.So it is JB to you (JB2U). Or you can just call me John.
Quote (carmel @ April 27 2013,06:50) Jbtu, first and formost:
NOT JUST COMMENT BUT CONTRADICT ME WITH SCRIPTURES.
THE ABOVE IS YOUR MENTALITY:
SCRIPTURE HAS AT LEAST FOUR INTERPRTATIONS!…….
………..Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Well I should contradict you with scriptures, right? I mean if you are wrong or say something that does not fit scripture!! If I comment, I feel obligated to back it with scripture. No?And NO, scripture does NOT have at least four interpretations!! I would agree that SOME scripture has more than one meaning, but to say all of scripture has at least four interpretations is just wrong, unless you mean the correct interpretation and 3 incorrect interpretations!!!
Quote (carmel @ April 27 2013,06:50) ……………… HE IS THE TRUTH JESUS THE WORD GOD,WITH THE LEAVEN IN HIS PARABLE WAS REFERRING TO HIS OWN UNIQUE TASK IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM
THE KINGDOM OF GOD CONSISTS OF
THREE PROCESSES THESE PROCESSES ARE THE WORK BY
THE FATHER, THE SON ,AND THE HOLY SPIRIT THE TRINITY YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN!
THE LEAVEN IS A REFERENCE TO HIMSELF! GOD AS THE
WORD
REFLECT:
HOW IN JESUS TIME USED TO DO THE LEAVEN?
WHAT DOES THE LEAVEN DO TO THE BREAD ?
NOW IN THE SAME MANNER THE WORD DID TO THE KINGDOM!
JESUS IN THE LAST SUPPER REPRESENTED ALSO THE LEAVEN ITSELF!
THE REASON THAT IT WAS LEFT OUT IN MOSES PASCH,!
IN FACT IT HAD A DOUBLE MEANING IN ONE INSTANT:
BOTH LIGHT JESUS, THE MESSIAH AND DARKNESS, SATAN:
SO REMOVING THE LEAVEN MEANS BOTH REMOVING SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM OUR CREATION,
AND ALSO INDICATE THAT THE MESSIAH IS MISSING AND STILL TO COME!
NOW FROM THE LAST SUPPER ONWARDS,OUR CREATION WAS LEAVENED WHEN SATAN WAS REPLACED BY JESUS'SPIRIT IN OUR CREATION,AND JESUS CONFIRMED AND SAID :
THIS IS MY FLESH, AND THIS IS MY BLOOD,OBVIOUS HE REMOVED SATAN'S SPIRIT EXACTLY BY THOSE WORDS!
John 16:11And of judgment: because the prince of this world is already judged.
AND BOTH THE FOOD AND THE DRINK WAS LEAVENED BY JESUS' SPIRIT!
John 6:27Labour not for the MEAT which perisheth, but for that which ENDURETH UNTO LIFE EVERLASTING, which the Son of man will give you.
FOR HIM HATH GOD, THE FATHER,SEALED.
JESUS' SPIRIT IS THE LEAVEN OF THE WORLD, HE REPLACED SATAN'S!
55 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him
Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying: Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod WHICH IS SATAN'S
MORE TO COME
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!!Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.
Jesus gave parable after parable comparing the “bad” and the “good.”
The mustard seed is the “wheat” and the leaven is the “tares.”
The mustard seed are those that go out to be fruitful and spread the gospel message.
The leaven is the sin, false doctrine, and hypocrisy that the harlot hides in the good meal in order to corrupt it. And, just like the Scriptures teach, a little bit of sin corrupts the whole body, EVEN the body of Christ (the church!!)!!
In the end, the “net” of the Kingdom of God will be cast. And then, the good (mustard seeds) will be kept while the bad (leaven) will be cast into the lake of fire.
It really is a beautiful SET of parables!! Our God is so Great to give us a choice, but He ensures that we have an INFORMED choice. He tells us what is going to happen to the good and the bad. He is so Great to warn us of the evil doctrines that will invade the church!! He would not have said it, if it weren't so!!!
Quote (carmel @ April 27 2013,18:07) Jb2u, Reflect before you post:
Isaiah 45:15 Verily thou art a hidden God, the God of Israel the saviour.
Quote You are saying GOD gave GOD authority. I want to see scripture where it says…Jesus is Yahweh
THE FATHER SAID:
Hebrews 1:8But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
SO THE SON IS GOD THE WORD THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, SO GOD IN FLESH
THIS GOD HAS A THRONE
THIS THRONE IS ETERNAL
HAS ALSO A SCEPTRE A SCEPTRE OF JUSTICE
THIS SCEPTRE BELONG ALSO TO THE SON'S KINGDOM. GOD'S KINGDOM
SO JESUS'S KINGDOM IS GOD'S KINGDOM, OWNS A SCEPTRE OFJUSTICE, AND AN ETERNAL THRONE!
I WONDER WHAT THE FATHER'S JOB IS? DO YOU?
Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore GOD,
thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, didst found the earth: and the works of thy hands are the heavens.
WHO FOUND THE EARTH GOD THE SON! NO?
BY WHOM 'S HANDS ARE THE WORKS OF THE HEAVENS ?GOD’S THE SON'! NO?
Quote How many times do we see “GOD and Jesus Christ” in the Bible. If Jesus is God or part of the triune God, then there is no need to say “God and Jesus Christ JESUS IS THE WORD FOR SURE SINCE THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!
AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,AND THE WORD WAS GOD!
SO JESUS, THE WORD, IS THE GODHEAD IN FLESH
SO JESUS IS THE TRIUNE GOD IN FLESH!
WE ALSO KNOW THAT JESUS WAS GIVEN ALL POWERS INTO HIS HANDS,WHICH MEANS THAT THE FULL FUNCTION OF GOD WAS ALL IN THE SON, THE WORD!
THEREFORE ALMIGHTY GOD IN FLESH! WHILE ON EARTH IN TWO FULL SEPARATE PERSONS GOD/ MAN!
IN ONE FLESH BODY!
THE FATHER AS JESUS’ SPIRIT
If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, AND YOU HAVE SEEN HIM JESUS IS GOD!
8Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 10Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works
THE HOLY SPIRIT AS JESUS’ SOUL
Jeremiah 32: And I will rejoice over them, when I shall do them good: and I will plant them in this land in truth, with my whole heart, and with all my soul. THE FATHER IN THE ABOVE IS REFERRING TO THE WORD JESUS, HIS SON SINCE ONLY JESUS BECAME MAN AND OWNS A HEART AND A SOUL, THE FATHER IS A GENUINE PURE SPIRIT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF BODY !
THE SON AS JESUS’ FLESH BODY
Jeremiah 32:26 And the word of the Lord came to Jeremias, saying: 27Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall any thing be hard for me?
THE FATHER IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE CONFIRMED THAT HE BECAME GOD OF ALL FLESH, ENPHASIZED WITH THE STATEMENT :
“SHALL ANYTHING BE HARD FOR ME,”
OBVIOUS AS I SAID THE FATHER IS A GENUINE SPIRIT AND REMAINS SO ETERNALLY,SO ONLY BY BEING JESUS, THE WORD, HIS SON HAD PROVEN:
THAT NOTHING IS HARD FOR HIM! THEREFOR BECAME GOD/MAN IN FLESH!
SO IT IS CLEAR THAT JESUS AS A BEING WAS ON EARTH ENTIRELY OF ALMIGHTY GOD’S GENUINE SPIRIT!
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
SO ALMIGHTY GOD AND JESUS CHRIST THE WORD ARE TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS OF GOD
ALMIGHTY GOD IS ONLY A SPIRIT, THE TRIUNE GOD, ALL IN THE FATHER!
THE FIRST PARTICULAR FUNCTION WHO CREATED THE SPIRITUAL CREATURES!
THE WORD IS A SPIRIT BEING, THE TRIUNE GOD , ALL IN THE SON! AS A MEDIATOR THE SECOND PARTICULAR FUNCTION
WHO CREATED THE MATERIAL CREATURES! WHO IS MOTHER EARTH
THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH IS A TRIUNE GOD, BOTH A SPIRITUAL BEING AND A MATERIAL BEING, THE TRIUNE GOD ALL IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE THIRD AND FINAL PARTICULAR FUNCTION
WHO RECREATED OUR CREATION ON THE CROSS ,AS JESUS CHRIST! AND BECAME :
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
THE ONLY TRUE SPIRIT, AND FLESH UNITED AS ONE BEING ETERNALLY,
AND HE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THE FATHER, FOR ALL SPIRITUAL CREATURES TO VERIFY THEMSELVES ,AND TO ALL CARNAL CREATURES TO ALSO VERIFY THIS WHILE ON EARTH , DEPENDING ONLY TO THE SON![/B
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looking up steadfastly to heaven,
SAW THE GLORY OF GOD,
and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And he said: Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
SO THE GLORY OF GOD INCLUDES THE SON OF MAN!
NOT THE SON OF GOD SINCE GOD IS GLORIFIED THROUGH HIM AS MAN IN SPIRIT, SOUL, AND FLESH! THE TRIUNE GOD!
JUSTIFICATION:
BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER
AND OF THE SON
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITTHE BAPTIZM OF JESUS, THE WORD,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD BOTH IN SPIRIT AND FLESH ETERNALLY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Again, stop isolating verses. Isaiah 45, NOT 45:15, will show you that God is hidden to those that do not seek the ONE true GOD. However, to those that follow the ONE true GOD, he is not hidden!! Read the whole chapter!!Hebrews 1:8…Really? This does NOT say that Jesus is Yahweh!! It shows that Yahweh has put His SON above all, except GOD Himself!! Please read it carefully!! The throne is the throne of GOD, the same throne that Jesus says that He will allow US to share in. Do you think we are GOD, too??? (Rev3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.)
You say, “I wonder what the Father's Job is?” Well, as I have said. Jesus turns everything back over to His Father, GOD, after the 1,000 year reign of Christ and sin is destroyed, so that His Father can be “all in all.” If you understand scripture, you know what GOD is doing during that 1,000 years…HE IS RESTING!!!! “And on the seventh day…HE REST.” “To GOD a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is a day.” After 6,000 years….GOD will REST for 1,000 years!!! 6 days HE worked and on the 7th day….HE RESTS!!! Understand??
You asked “who found the earth?”
If you understand and believe the Bible….GOD created the world FOR His Son!!! We can get more into that later. For now, I will assure you that GOD did create the world BY HIMSELF
, ALONE created the world HE. Later, we find out that He created the world FOR His Son!!!You posted too much in one post. It kind of bounces all around. Yes, I can refute each claim, but try to post smaller, so that I can deal with each. I do not want my post to have to be too long!!!
Quote (carmel @ April 27 2013,18:07) JUSTIFICATION: BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER
AND OF THE SON
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITTHE BAPTIZM OF JESUS, THE WORD,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD BOTH IN SPIRIT AND FLESH ETERNALLY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I do not believe that this is suppose to be in the Bible. I believe that Jesus told his disciples to “baptize in my name.”Why do you suppose that the disciples NEVER baptized anyone in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit??
Think about it!! They ALWAYS baptized in the name of Jesus!! This would suggest to me that they did exactly what Jesus instructed them to do!!! Or do you think that they went out and baptized however they wanted to in spite of what Jesus said?? The only logical conclusion is that Jesus told them to baptize in my name, and the trinitarian false doctrine crept into the scribes of the Bible, just like Jesus warned us about, and they added the Father and Holy Spirit!!
All Greek manuscripts having this phrasing “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” did not exist prior to the 4th century controversy. Also, there is evidence from early church documents that they baptized “in the name of Jesus” only. Also, we have the Bible!!! Where there is not one record in which anyone was baptized “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
They also added on to 1John5:7-8. Biblical scholars agree/admit, even the trinitarians, that the manuscripts do not say
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.It originally read….
(verse 7)For there are three that bear record:
(verse 8)the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.Again, the Greek manuscripts are UNANIMOUS that the above is how it SHOULD read!! Some translations have taken the added words out of the verses!! Some have left it in with a commentary that it should not be in there (why do they keep it in then?). This is proof that the trinity doctrine is FALSE!! Why would they need to ADD words in order to make it appear that the trinity is real!! Think about it!!!
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote but to say all of scripture has at least four interpretations is just wrong, unless you mean the correct interpretation and 3 incorrect interpretations!!! Jbtu,
FIRST OF ALL I NEVER SAID ALL OF SCRIPTURE BUT SCRIPTURE!
NO THE FOUR OF THEM ARE CORRECT IN THEIR RESPECTIVE WAY, AND ACCORDINGLY APPLIED! THE NT. THE NEW WINE,HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OT.THE OLD WINE!
LITERALLY IT IS CORRECT,BUT SCRIPTURES ARE NOT MEANT TO BE LITERRALLY ONLY BUT SPIRITUAL MOSTLY
ALSO THE SPIRITUAL INTERPRETATION IS BOTH NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE IN ONE INSTANT!
THERE IS ONLY ONE TREE BUT IT IS OF THE KNOWLEGDE OF GOOD AND EVIL SO IT IS UP TO US TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH IN THIS REGARD CONSIDERRING THE TREE AS OUR LIFE!
ADAM WAS A MAN, BUT HE REPRESENTED A SPIRITUAL FIGURE GOD'S
EVE WAS A WOMAN, BUT SHE REPRESENTED A CARNAL FIGURE! LUCIFER'S
THEY WERE CREATED PURPOSELY DIFFERENT IN EVERY SENSE AND OPPOSING EACH OTHER,TO REPRESENT THE SPIRIT AND THE FLESH!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Why do you suppose that the disciples NEVER baptized anyone in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?? Jb2u,
IT IS THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE!
JESUS THE WORD THE GODHEAD IN FLESH,
REPRESENTED THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
SO BAPTIZING IN THE ABOVE MANNER IS CALLED THE BAPTIZM IN THE NAME OF THE WORD JESUS !
JESUS EMPHASIZED BOTH THE FATHER, AND THE HOLY GHOST.
AND WHOEVER SIN AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN!
JESUS HIMSELF IS THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY GHOST I GAVE DETAILS ABOUT ALL THIS AND I SAID THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD ENVELOPE THREE PROCESSES :
ONE THE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE FATHER :SPIRITUAL CREATION
ONE THE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE SON AS MEDIATOR: CARNAL CREATION
ONE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH THROUGH THE WORD IN FLESH, JESUS
WHICH AS YOU SAID:
THE NO.3 REPRESENTS COMPLETENESS AND THAT IS ALSO COMPLETENESS OF GOD'S KINGDOM ON EARTH
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jb2u @ April 27 2013,23:58) Quote (Ed J @ April 27 2013,05:44) Hi JB2U, If you don't mind me asking, what does it stand for?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Just my name….John or JB, I've been called both.So it is JB to you (JB2U). Or you can just call me John.
OK, thanks JB2U.Quote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,00:41) Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.
Hi JB2U, how about 2 or 3?“Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days (an obvious ref. to Pentecost);
and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves
of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.” (Lev 23:16-17)“The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matt 13:33)
“And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven,
which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21)The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,02:37) Quote (carmel @ April 27 2013,18:07) JUSTIFICATION: BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER
AND OF THE SON
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITTHE BAPTIZM OF JESUS, THE WORD,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD BOTH IN SPIRIT AND FLESH ETERNALLY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
I do not believe that this is suppose to be in the Bible. I believe that Jesus told his disciples to “baptize in my name.”Why do you suppose that the disciples NEVER baptized anyone in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit??
Hi John,They both mean the same, and here's how…
Go
ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”),
and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”),
and of the HolySirit (“The Word”):(Matt 28:19)…hey it fits, doesn't it?
AND HERE'S WHAT BAPTIZING IN JESUS' NAME MEANS…
The name Father is [יה] YÄ,
the name of the son is [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă,
and the name of HolySpirit is [ישע] “SALVATION”!“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell
in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken
your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Rom. 8:11)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgjb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Jbtu,
You and me WILLnever agree in the way WE INTERPRET SCRIPTURES,for the simple reason that you look only from the CONCEPT of a limited ONE God, and I look BOTH from the CONCEPT of ONE MIGHTY GOD,and also that THERE'S NO ONE LIKE HIM AND HE CAN BE WHAT HE CAN BE, SO ALSO A TRIUNE GOD.
There's enough proof that the triune concept is throughout scripture and also as you said it is HIDDEN for those who cannot see it!
NOW TO THE PARABLE OF THE LEAVEN:
Another parable he spoke to them: The kingdom of heaven is like to leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, until the whole was leavened
SO ACCORDING TO YOU JESUS MEANT THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS LIKE A CORRUPTION , SYMBOLIZED IN THE LEAVEN , AND AT THE END THE WHOLE KINGDOM IS CORRUPTED!
SO JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR NOTHING!
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?
ARE YOU SO BLIND THAT FOR YOU THE LEAVEN IS ONLY NEGATIVE, WHICH IN THE TRUTH IT ISN'T!
DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARABLE IS A PARADOX?
THAT AS THE NEGATIVE FERMENTING PROCESS OF THE LEAVEN HIDDEN IN THE BREAD, THE BREAD AT THE END IS PERFECTLY MADE!
IN THE SAME WAY THROUGH THE EVIL PROCESS OF SATAN,AND THE SON'S SPIRIT AS MEDIATOR WITHIN(LEAVEN) HIDDEN IN THE SOULS,(MEAL) THROUGH THE CHURCH, THE BRIDE, WILL EVENTUALLY AT THE END BECOME GOD'S KINGDOM.
ALSO:
THE THREE MEASURES ARE THE THREE PHASES OF THE PROCESS TO ACHIEVE GOD'S KINGDOM, IN THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
NOT TO FORGET AS WELL THE WOMAN, WHICH REPRESENTS:
EVE, the mother of all the sinfull deadly living,
MARY AS MOTHER OF JESUS, AND
MARY AS MOTHER OF ALL CREATURES DECLARED FROM THE CROSS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel,
Quote You and me WILLnever agree in the way WE INTERPRET SCRIPTURES,for the simple reason that you look only from the CONCEPT of a limited ONE God, and I look BOTH from the CONCEPT of ONE MIGHTY GOD,and also that THERE'S NO ONE LIKE HIM AND HE CAN BE WHAT HE CAN BE, SO ALSO A TRIUNE GOD. You do not follow true monotheism while the righteous children of Israel have done so from their foundlings. There is one God that is but 1 person. He does not have a multi-personality disorder, where each personality is a different person. He is not tempted by evil under any circumstances. He is not literally Love, whose fruit is righteousness, even though Love is one of his aspects.
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Quote Go
ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”),
and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”),
and of the HolySirit (“The Word”):Edj,
NOTICE THE SINGULAR IN THE NAME NOT NAMES SO THEY ARE NOT THREE GODS.
BUT ONE GOD IN THREE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS OF THE THREE RESPECTIVE PHASES !
PHASE ONE: THROUGH THE FATHER'S SPIRIT CREATING THE SPIRITUAL RELAMS!
PHASE TWO: THROUGH THE SON'S SPIRIT AS A MEDIATOR CREATING THE CARNAL WORLD: OURS
PHASE THREE: THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE WORD BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT, UNITED IN JESUS CHRIST FIRST IMMEDIATELY ON THE CROSS IN HIS SOUL, THEN SEALED AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE SPIRITUALITY OF HIS BODY AND THE UNIFICATION WITH HIS SOUL ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WORDS WHEN THE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS WERE REACHED!
AND BECAME:
THE ONLY TRUE GOD,AND JESUS CHRIST!
THE ONLY TRUE SPIRIT AND FLESH!
GOD IS NO LONGER HIDDEN AS A SPIRIT BUT BECAME VISIBLE IN JESUS CHRIST:
HE ENRICHED HIMSELF, HE ACQUIRED THE FLESH STATE WHICH BELONGED TO JESUS, HIS SON, THE WORD.
John 13:31When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself; and immediately will he glorify him
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
kerwin,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote He is not literally Love, whose fruit is righteousness, even though Love is one of his aspects. Kerwin,
YOU HAVE A LOT TO DISCOVER WHAT GOD IS!
HE IS LITERRALY LOVE AS WELL :
THAT'S WHY:
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM
REFLECT:
DO NOT DO TO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS DO TO YOU
NOW LOOK FROM THE POSSITIVE SIDE OF IT
DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WANT OTHERS DO TO YOU
NOW SEX IS ALSO A PARADOX IF ITS DONE THROUGH JESUS' CONCEPT!
SINCE THROUGH THE FILTHY CARNAL ACT COULD ALSO BE AS WORSHIPING GOD, ALWAYS IN JESUS BODY,AND GOSPEL!
WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SO GOD WOULD BE WITHIN US ALSO DURING SEX IF WE RESPECT HIS SPIRITUAL LAW IN JESUS BODY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Ed J @ April 28 2013,06:15) Quote (jb2u @ April 28 2013,00:41) Once again, leaven ALWAYS represented Sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy. NEVER anything else!! Give me the verse where leaven is not sin/false teachings/doctrine/hypocrisy.
Hi JB2U, how about 2 or 3?“Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days (an obvious ref. to Pentecost);
and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves
of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.” (Lev 23:16-17)“The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Matt 13:33)
“And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven,
which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” (Luke 13:20-21)The problem is not in being wrong, but in ones stubbornness and unwillingness to admit mistakes!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I am still waiting on the verse where leaven is not sin??Your first example about the Pentecost Feast, the leaven is still sin. It represents SIN.
Your second and third verses are the same parable in 2 different books of the Bible….and in both Gospels, this leaven still represents SIN.
I am looking for verses in which leaven is NOT a representative of sin.
Quote (carmel @ April 28 2013,04:46) jb2u,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Why do you suppose that the disciples NEVER baptized anyone in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?? Jb2u,
IT IS THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE!
JESUS THE WORD THE GODHEAD IN FLESH,
REPRESENTED THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
SO BAPTIZING IN THE ABOVE MANNER IS CALLED THE BAPTIZM IN THE NAME OF THE WORD JESUS !
JESUS EMPHASIZED BOTH THE FATHER, AND THE HOLY GHOST.
AND WHOEVER SIN AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN!
JESUS HIMSELF IS THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY GHOST I GAVE DETAILS ABOUT ALL THIS AND I SAID THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD ENVELOPE THREE PROCESSES :
ONE THE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE FATHER :SPIRITUAL CREATION
ONE THE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE SON AS MEDIATOR: CARNAL CREATION
ONE TRIUNE GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH THROUGH THE WORD IN FLESH, JESUS
WHICH AS YOU SAID:
THE NO.3 REPRESENTS COMPLETENESS AND THAT IS ALSO COMPLETENESS OF GOD'S KINGDOM ON EARTH
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
It does not say…”baptize in the name of the word”…it says in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.If this is true, we can not assume that just saying “in the name of Jesus” is ok. The name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, would demand 3 names. OR…for you trinitarian believers….they could have baptized in the name of Yahweh. I would at least have accepted that as a trinitarian, but how can a true trinitarian accept the fact that the ONLY name used is that of Jesus??
Now, you are saying Jesus represented the Father and Holy Spirit, so it is “ok” that the disciples did not follow Jesus' command to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I am not buying it!!!
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