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Quote (2besee @ Nov. 16 2013,13:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 16 2013,13:44) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 14 2013,20:54) Quote They have always believed that Christ Jesus is returning as well. What do Muslims believe regarding the last day?
Pretty much the same as you already believe except that God will explain where each religion differed and/or strayedHi Bod, I apologize to you for starting a new thread in the debates section, but then changing my mind. I have been personally warned off posting too much on discussion and debate forums. I have been shown where it will lead to, and I have stopped in fear, to say the least.
So nobody will get much out of me I am afraid
Quote Pretty much the same as you already believe I don't think so somehow.
How would a Muslim know that Jesus has returned?
How would a Christian know?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2013,16:32) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 16 2013,13:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 16 2013,13:44) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 14 2013,20:54) Quote They have always believed that Christ Jesus is returning as well. What do Muslims believe regarding the last day?
Pretty much the same as you already believe except that God will explain where each religion differed and/or strayedHi Bod, I apologize to you for starting a new thread in the debates section, but then changing my mind. I have been personally warned off posting too much on discussion and debate forums. I have been shown where it will lead to, and I have stopped in fear, to say the least.
So nobody will get much out of me I am afraid
Quote Pretty much the same as you already believe I don't think so somehow.
How would a Muslim know that Jesus has returned?
How would a Christian know?
Boditharta.The OT prophesies and the book of revelation is to be studied hard to know the coming.
wakeup.
Wakeup if you don't mind,
Bodhitharta,
A delusion has set in lately to lead Christians to believe as Muslims do concerning the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Memory tells me that Muslims believe that Jesus will come and set foot on the earth and kill the anti Christ, and bring in a period of peace.
Is that correct?
Many Christians believe that also (such as Wakeup here). But I don't.
I believe with the eastern orthodox Christian church and the Lutherans, that Jesus' feet won't set foot on this planet. But after the destruction of the wicked, and the earth with fire (all will be gone) some people (God knows who) will be given divine protection from the fire and will still be standing. The Angels will then be sent out to gather them and they will rise and meet Jesus in the air, and so forever be with him.
This way is the bible way, and truth. It is simple and straight forward, and there is no confusion, and no CHANCE of being deceived by the false Christ, soon to come. This false Christ could be the one those Christians and Muslims are deceived by.
So it is a VERY important subject…So please, tell me… How will YOU Bodhitharta KNOW that Jesus has returned? (I'm asking you Bod not Wakeup).
2Besee.
You have misquoted me.
I dont believe that Jesus would set foot on the earth
**before** armageddon. But He willl be in the air **UNTIL
AFTER** armageddon.He will fight His war from the air.
Its not fair to misquote someone.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Oh, so you agree then that… When the son of man returns ALL things visible will be destroyed, and only some will be left standing, and those left standing will be “raptured” to meet Jesus in the air.
So if you agree with that then we agree!Wakeup,
Oh, so you agree then that… When the son of man returns ALL things visible will be destroyed, and only some will be left standing, and those left standing will be “raptured” to meet Jesus in the air.
So if you agree with that then we agree!No, wait a minute..
Quote I dont believe that Jesus would set foot on the earth **before** armageddon. But He willl be in the air **UNTIL AFTER** armageddon.He will fight His war from the air. That is complicated so complicated that my mind is blank.
How will you know when “before” Armageddon is, and when “after” Armageddon is?
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 24 2013,15:54) Wakeup,
Oh, so you agree then that… When the son of man returns ALL things visible will be destroyed, and only some will be left standing, and those left standing will be “raptured” to meet Jesus in the air.
So if you agree with that then we agree!No, wait a minute..
Quote I dont believe that Jesus would set foot on the earth **before** armageddon. But He willl be in the air **UNTIL AFTER** armageddon.He will fight His war from the air. That is complicated so complicated that my mind is blank.
How will you know when “before” Armageddon is, and when “after” Armageddon is?
2Besee.We know that before the coming;there must be war first.
Jesus will stop short that war,for the elect sake.
And then will they (both sides) gather together to make war
with the Lamb. They will gather at a place called Megiddo,north of Jerusalem.
This war will be man against God's Son(the Lamb).
This will be armageddon. Jesus will fight them from the air.wakeup.
Which way is 'up'
and which way is 'down'?“Armageddon”…….
Was it WWI, or WWII, or maybe WWIII?
How would you know,
how would 'they' have known?What will be the difference to you?
“Oh”, you say, “Because the cities will fall and survivors will walk (?) to Jerusalem”, where Jesus will be”.
Will there still be 'trees, birds, grass'?
What will be different, and how will you know?“Jesus is where? Oh -there!”
“Let us go see him, then”, they will say.
“But, WAIT!”
He said “If they say 'lo here' or 'lo there', do NOT go out – do NOT believe them”!How, then, will we know?
Everything visible will be gone.
Angels gather the elect.
They rise in the air to meet him,
as do the resurrected Saints.
This is how you will know.*edit grammar correction
2Besee.
Take your time reading it and dont hasten to make a comment before you have honestly studied it.
Then you can show me all the contradictions
if you find any ok?Quote
Which way is 'up'
and which way is 'down'?THE COUDS,SUN STARS ARE UP.
THE DUST OF THE EARTH WHERE YOU STAND ON IS DOWN.Quote
“Armageddon”…….
Was it WWI, or WWII, or maybe WWIII?
How would you know,
how would 'they' have known?WW1 AND 2 HAS PAST 60 YRS NOW.
THE WW3 IS COMING SOON,AND IT WILL KILL *ALL FLESH*, IF NOT FOR THE ELECT SAKE.
(THE SLEEPERS WILL NOT KNOW).Quote
What will be the difference to you?“Oh”, you say, “Because the cities will fall and survivors will walk (?) to Jerusalem”, where Jesus will be”.
NOT AS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK.
THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL.
Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and **the cities of the nations fell**: and **great Babylon**(BABYLON THE GREAT) came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
THIS IS ARMAGEDDON: THE 3RDWW WILL BE STOPPED,JUST BY THE APPEARING OF THE LAMB.THEN ARMAGEDDON; THE GATHERING OF THE ARMIES *OF THE WORLD* AGAINST THE LAMB.
Revelation 16:12 And the **sixth angel** poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the *dragon*, and out of the mouth of the *beast*, and out of the mouth of the *false prophet*.
Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
***to gather them to the battle **of that
***great day of God
Almighty***.(ARMAGEDDON):(not the 3rdww;that has been stopped).Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief.
***Blessed is he that watcheth***,
and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.( THE WAKERS WILL KNOW THE SIGNS OF THE COMING).(THE SLEEPERS WILL BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISED).Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue **Armageddon**.
(MEGIDDO). (this is after the 3rd ww was stopped by the appearing).Quote
Will there still be 'trees, birds, grass'?
What will be different, and how will you know?PARADISE IN ISRAEL,FOR THE JEWS BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE,BY CHOICE.(the remnant of the jews).
SEE: ISIAH 11. 65. ZECH. 14.
Quote
“Jesus is where? Oh -there!”
“Let us go see him, then”, they will say.
“But, WAIT!”
He said “If they say 'lo here' or 'lo there', do NOT go out – do NOT believe them”[/QOUTE].YES THIS IS TRUE: BUT THE WAKERS WILL KNOW EXACTLY
WHEN. ALL IS REVEALED IN THE PROPHESIES.
MANY WILL SAY HERE OR THERE,DONT BELIEVE THEM,
BUT BELIEVE WHAT THE PROPHESIES SAY.How, then, will we know?
Everything visible will be gone.
Angels gather the elect.
They rise in the air to meet him,
as do the resurrected Saints.
This is how you will know.THE VERY ELECT WILL BE *THE FIRST* TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. THE REST OF THE CHRISTIANS NEEDS TO BE PURIFIED, THEN GIVEN WHITE ROBES. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION,FOR 3/HALF YEARS.(REV7:9–15).(THIS IS 3/HALF YRS BEFORE THE COMING).
THEN AT THE COMING THEY ALSO WILL BE TAKEN UP.THEN ARMAGEDDON; THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL.
IN RUINS,THAT WILL INCLUDE YOURS AND MY CITY.BUT THERE WILL BE *GENTILE SURVIVERS*.(DAN 7:12).
THEY WILL MULTIPLY *OUTSIDE* THE KINGDOM.
THE JEWS WILL ALSO MULTIPLY *INSIDE* THE KINGDOM,AND
THEY WILL ALL LIVE UP TO 100YRS OLD. THE LION WILL EAT STRAW.ISAIAH.11. 65:17–25.
THIS KINGDOM WILL LAST FOR 1000YRS.THEN; SATAN LET LOOSE TO SIFF OUT THE BAD TO HIS SIDE.
HE WILL GATHER THEM AROUND THE KINGDOM;AND FIRE
CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN FROM GOD. SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE,WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE.THEN THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT OF ALL THE SHEEP AND ALLL THE GOATS.
THE THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS WILL BE CLEANSED,BY MELTING IT. THEN THE NEW EARTH. THEN GOD WILL DWELL ON EARTH.wakeup.
Quote THE WW3 IS COMING SOON,AND IT WILL KILL *ALL FLESH*, WW3 may come, but it will not kill all flesh.
If it comes, and before it comes, God will lead his chosen ones (regardless of race or nationality or language).
He will also call out many who do not know him, through visitation.What WILL kill almost all flesh, is fire from the sky (natural, like the flood waters).
Quote
THE VERY ELECT WILL BE *THE FIRST* TO
MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. THE REST OF THE
CHRISTIANS NEEDS TO BE PURIFIED, THEN
GIVEN WHITE ROBES. THEY HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE TRIBULATION,FOR 3/HALF
YEARS.(REV7:9–15).(THIS IS 3/HALF YRS
BEFORE THE COMING).
THEN AT THE COMING THEY ALSO WILL BE
TAKEN UP.
THEN ARMAGEDDON; THE CITIES OF THE
NATIONS FELL.
IN RUINS,THAT WILL INCLUDE YOURS AND
MY CITY.
BUT THERE WILL BE *GENTILE SURVIVERS*.
(DAN 7:12).
THEY WILL MULTIPLY *OUTSIDE* THE
KINGDOM.
THE JEWS WILL ALSO MULTIPLY *INSIDE*
THE KINGDOM,AND
THEY WILL ALL LIVE UP TO 100YRS OLD. THE
LION WILL EAT STRAW.ISAIAH.11. 65:17–25.
THIS KINGDOM WILL LAST FOR 1000YRS.
THEN; SATAN LET LOOSE TO SIFF OUT THE
BAD TO HIS SIDE.
HE WILL GATHER THEM AROUND THE
KINGDOM;AND FIRE
CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN FROM GOD.
SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE CAST INTO
THE LAKE OF FIRE,WHERE THE BEAST AND
THE FALSE PROPHET ARE.
THEN THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT OF
ALL THE SHEEP AND ALLL THE GOATS.
THE THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS WILL BE
CLEANSED,BY MELTING IT. THEN THE NEW
EARTH. THEN GOD WILL DWELL ON EARTH.
wakeup.
This is stroppy Wakeup.
This is what is called in scriptures 'personal interpretation'.
You have seen the prophecies as a puzzle and attempted to put it together yourself, but you have the pieces in the wrong place, and it is a mess.
Lean not on our own understanding.Could we put that aside, and look at the world, and what Muslims expect to happen.
Is there any other muslims here, reading?
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 26 2013,07:55) Quote THE WW3 IS COMING SOON,AND IT WILL KILL *ALL FLESH*, WW3 may come, but it will not kill all flesh.
If it comes, and before it comes, God will lead his chosen ones (regardless of race or nationality or language).
He will also call out many who do not know him, through visitation.What WILL kill almost all flesh, is fire from the sky (natural, like the flood waters).
Quote
THE VERY ELECT WILL BE *THE FIRST* TO
MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. THE REST OF THE
CHRISTIANS NEEDS TO BE PURIFIED, THEN
GIVEN WHITE ROBES. THEY HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE TRIBULATION,FOR 3/HALF
YEARS.(REV7:9–15).(THIS IS 3/HALF YRS
BEFORE THE COMING).
THEN AT THE COMING THEY ALSO WILL BE
TAKEN UP.
THEN ARMAGEDDON; THE CITIES OF THE
NATIONS FELL.
IN RUINS,THAT WILL INCLUDE YOURS AND
MY CITY.
BUT THERE WILL BE *GENTILE SURVIVERS*.
(DAN 7:12).
THEY WILL MULTIPLY *OUTSIDE* THE
KINGDOM.
THE JEWS WILL ALSO MULTIPLY *INSIDE*
THE KINGDOM,AND
THEY WILL ALL LIVE UP TO 100YRS OLD. THE
LION WILL EAT STRAW.ISAIAH.11. 65:17–25.
THIS KINGDOM WILL LAST FOR 1000YRS.
THEN; SATAN LET LOOSE TO SIFF OUT THE
BAD TO HIS SIDE.
HE WILL GATHER THEM AROUND THE
KINGDOM;AND FIRE
CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN FROM GOD.
SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WILL BE CAST INTO
THE LAKE OF FIRE,WHERE THE BEAST AND
THE FALSE PROPHET ARE.
THEN THE WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT OF
ALL THE SHEEP AND ALLL THE GOATS.
THE THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS WILL BE
CLEANSED,BY MELTING IT. THEN THE NEW
EARTH. THEN GOD WILL DWELL ON EARTH.
wakeup.
This is stroppy Wakeup. This is what is called in scriptures 'personal interpretation'.
You have seen the prophecies as a puzzle and attempted to put it together yourself, but you have the pieces in the wrong place, and it is a mess.
Lean not on our own understanding.Could we put that aside, and look at the world, and what Muslims expect to happen.
Is there any other muslims here, reading?
2Besee.Your disagreement is ok.
But the reason why you did not say.
Can you come up with some scriptures in contradiction?I know that your version is in contradiction to scripture.
1.where can you fit in the white throne judgement
since they all are taken at the coming?wakeup.
Quote I ask, are you a polytheist a believer in gods…..silence –bod
So mike. What say you?
This really starts of course with a biblical definition of God.
Whether we use a standard definition of god, OR we use a biblical all encompassing definition of god, that changes everything.
The first step to argument resolution is defining the terms. If you can't get past that, the rest is pointless.
Anyway, was wondering if you could recap the ideas you have presented about this. I've read bits here and there. But if you could provide an actual thesis or a short explanation of what you are getting at, that would be good.
WUP,
Quote where can you fit in the white throne judgement The great white throne judgment…is the resurrection of all of the dead (judgment day). Some are given life and some are given death for eternity. This judgment must occur after the second advent.
The second advent (my notes are in brackets)..
2nd Peter chapter 3 – The destruction of the world by fire (the return of the Lord).
Matthew 24..
4 “And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my Name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there, believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, so that if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert, go not forth: Behold, he is in the secret places, believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and is seen into the West, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever a dead carcass is, thither will the Eagles be gathered together.”Revelation19 – 17 “And I saw an Angel stand in the sun who cried with a loud voice, saying, to all the fowls that did fly by the midst of heaven, come, and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God.”
Matthew 24 – 30 “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the kindreds of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, and from the one end of the heavens unto the other. (That is the ones who are remaining alive)37 But as the days of Noah were , so likewise shall the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days before the flood, they did eat and drink, marry, and give in marriage, unto the day that Noah entered into the Ark,
39 And knew nothing, till the flood came, and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then two shall be in the fields, the one shall be taken (destroyed) and the other shall be left. (remain alive)
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill: the one shall be taken and the other shall be left.”1 Thessalonians 4 -16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then shall we which live and remain, be caught up with them also in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”Matthew 13.
“Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”
“The harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”“The Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a noise, and the elements shall melt with heat, and the earth with the works that are therein shall be burnt up.”
“But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day shall come on you, as it were a thief.“[/font]
Watch that you are not deceived.
Watch that you are not caught naked (without God).
Pray and ask God alone to guide you – and he will guide.Addendum: The first resurrection would be at the coming of the son of man (with the destruction of the world by fire).
They are safe from the second death.
They are raised from the dead with the saints who are remaining alive after the destruction of the world.
They are all believers in Christ.The second resurrection of All of the dead would be after.
They are judged on what they didQuote (2besee @ Nov. 26 2013,19:47) Addendum: The first resurrection would be at the coming of the son of man (with the destruction of the world by fire).
They are safe from the second death.
They are raised from the dead with the saints who are remaining alive after the destruction of the world.
They are all believers in Christ.The second resurrection of All of the dead would be after.
They are judged on what they did
2Besee.You've got this one close to target.
What about them that are saying: look he is coming.
He can come at any moment so watch?What do you say about them?
The coming is to **gather the true christians**,and to destroy babylon by burning. There will be survivors;but their cities will be no more.Babylon the great is flat,in heaps.
There are still the dead in their graves.
They will stay in their graves for another 1000yrs plus.
Untill the white throne judgement.Christ and his resurrected saints will be the kings over them
and over the jews brought back by choice.
They(jews) and their children will be taught by the saints.
And the jews will go out and teach the gentiles.(with no satan).(just his angels).You should have noticed that satan and his angels were not cast into the lake of fire at the coming.
Only the beast and the false prophet were.rev.19:20.wakeup.
All, I have moved this to an appropriate thread.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 20 2013,17:48) Wakeup if you don't mind,
Bodhitharta,
A delusion has set in lately to lead Christians to believe as Muslims do concerning the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Memory tells me that Muslims believe that Jesus will come and set foot on the earth and kill the anti Christ, and bring in a period of peace.
Is that correct?
Many Christians believe that also (such as Wakeup here). But I don't.
I believe with the eastern orthodox Christian church and the Lutherans, that Jesus' feet won't set foot on this planet. But after the destruction of the wicked, and the earth with fire (all will be gone) some people (God knows who) will be given divine protection from the fire and will still be standing. The Angels will then be sent out to gather them and they will rise and meet Jesus in the air, and so forever be with him.
This way is the bible way, and truth. It is simple and straight forward, and there is no confusion, and no CHANCE of being deceived by the false Christ, soon to come. This false Christ could be the one those Christians and Muslims are deceived by.
So it is a VERY important subject…So please, tell me… How will YOU Bodhitharta KNOW that Jesus has returned? (I'm asking you Bod not Wakeup).
I don't think there will be much mystery to it at all, Jesus will return and it will be known how else could he be rejected if he is not known? How else would anyone oppose him if he is not known? Even if he doesn't step foot on the earth what is the problem here, foot or no foot? Before or after, what is the difficulty here, God is Just and no true believer will be lost.The entire conversation is foolish do you think a “false Christ” will behave exactly like the True Christ and give all Glory to God? No the scriptures say the False Christ will make himself to be God the only people who will be deceived are all the Christians that believe that Jesus is God already. No Muslim could be deceived they will not accept any human to be God and never have, only the Christian can accept a False Christ claiming divinity and following this “God” the idea doesn't exist in Islam, so the question of how will Muslims know can't apply
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 03 2013,13:40) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 20 2013,17:48) Wakeup if you don't mind,
Bodhitharta,
A delusion has set in lately to lead Christians to believe as Muslims do concerning the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Memory tells me that Muslims believe that Jesus will come and set foot on the earth and kill the anti Christ, and bring in a period of peace.
Is that correct?
Many Christians believe that also (such as Wakeup here). But I don't.
I believe with the eastern orthodox Christian church and the Lutherans, that Jesus' feet won't set foot on this planet. But after the destruction of the wicked, and the earth with fire (all will be gone) some people (God knows who) will be given divine protection from the fire and will still be standing. The Angels will then be sent out to gather them and they will rise and meet Jesus in the air, and so forever be with him.
This way is the bible way, and truth. It is simple and straight forward, and there is no confusion, and no CHANCE of being deceived by the false Christ, soon to come. This false Christ could be the one those Christians and Muslims are deceived by.
So it is a VERY important subject…So please, tell me… How will YOU Bodhitharta KNOW that Jesus has returned? (I'm asking you Bod not Wakeup).
I don't think there will be much mystery to it at all, Jesus will return and it will be known how else could he be rejected if he is not known? How else would anyone oppose him if he is not known? Even if he doesn't step foot on the earth what is the problem here, foot or no foot? Before or after, what is the difficulty here, God is Just and no true believer will be lost.The entire conversation is foolish do you think a “false Christ” will behave exactly like the True Christ and give all Glory to God? No the scriptures say the False Christ will make himself to be God the only people who will be deceived are all the Christians that believe that Jesus is God already. No Muslim could be deceived they will not accept any human to be God and never have, only the Christian can accept a False Christ claiming divinity and following this “God” the idea doesn't exist in Islam, so the question of how will Muslims know can't apply
Boditharta.When the son of perdition/false prophet will run the world.
He will use the rfid chip to control the population.
No chip,no food, no nothing but persecution.
This is the time when the so called God worshippers will
be tested to the maximum.Bow down to the false prophet and take his mark;or
refuse the chip,and stay with God.Anyone who love father,mother,wife,children more than God is not worthy of God.
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 03 2013,20:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 03 2013,13:40) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 20 2013,17:48) Wakeup if you don't mind,
Bodhitharta,
A delusion has set in lately to lead Christians to believe as Muslims do concerning the second coming of Jesus Christ.
Memory tells me that Muslims believe that Jesus will come and set foot on the earth and kill the anti Christ, and bring in a period of peace.
Is that correct?
Many Christians believe that also (such as Wakeup here). But I don't.
I believe with the eastern orthodox Christian church and the Lutherans, that Jesus' feet won't set foot on this planet. But after the destruction of the wicked, and the earth with fire (all will be gone) some people (God knows who) will be given divine protection from the fire and will still be standing. The Angels will then be sent out to gather them and they will rise and meet Jesus in the air, and so forever be with him.
This way is the bible way, and truth. It is simple and straight forward, and there is no confusion, and no CHANCE of being deceived by the false Christ, soon to come. This false Christ could be the one those Christians and Muslims are deceived by.
So it is a VERY important subject…So please, tell me… How will YOU Bodhitharta KNOW that Jesus has returned? (I'm asking you Bod not Wakeup).
I don't think there will be much mystery to it at all, Jesus will return and it will be known how else could he be rejected if he is not known? How else would anyone oppose him if he is not known? Even if he doesn't step foot on the earth what is the problem here, foot or no foot? Before or after, what is the difficulty here, God is Just and no true believer will be lost.The entire conversation is foolish do you think a “false Christ” will behave exactly like the True Christ and give all Glory to God? No the scriptures say the False Christ will make himself to be God the only people who will be deceived are all the Christians that believe that Jesus is God already. No Muslim could be deceived they will not accept any human to be God and never have, only the Christian can accept a False Christ claiming divinity and following this “God” the idea doesn't exist in Islam, so the question of how will Muslims know can't apply
Boditharta.When the son of perdition/false prophet will run the world.
He will use the rfid chip to control the population.
No chip,no food, no nothing but persecution.
This is the time when the so called God worshippers will
be tested to the maximum.Bow down to the false prophet and take his mark;or
refuse the chip,and stay with God.Anyone who love father,mother,wife,children more than God is not worthy of God.
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
wakeup.
John17:12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.This was about Judas
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