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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 24 2013,05:07) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 19 2013,16:08) The motto of the Royal Society, the foremost association of scientists in the UK, is “Nullius in verba”, Latin for “Take nobody's word for it”. Science is corrosive to religious faith because it demands you try to disprove what you believe.
Stu……..I agree with “Take nobody's word for it” , because true Faith is Built upon ones owm Proofs. But you on the other hand do not believe that, because you believe on the words of other Atheists , who have their own “religion “of not believing in God. So are you really a “take nobody's word for it”, kinda guy or are you really a “religious” atheist, who goes by the word of his atheist “religion”.You see what is good for the goose should also be good for the gander right? So you pump your “religion”, we pump ours, your end up with zero, Ours end up with eternal life , so who is the biggest looser Stu ?
peace and love to you and yours Stu……………………….gene
I don't feel like a loser. I feel like a person who has based his spirituality on things that can reasonably be shown to be true, not just things that I would like to be true.And I can't work out why anyone in their right mind would want christianity to be true.
Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 24 2013,09:24) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:26) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:41) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,00:19) Nothing unhealthy about my end of any such discussion.
Your right. Nothing unhealthy about not discussing a subject you know nothing about. Also not healthy either. Just non-existent.
Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong?Stuart
Stu.Can you tell me?
Who is the teacher of science?wakeup.
The only authority in science is empirical evidence.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 24 2013,09:24) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:26) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:41) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,00:19) Nothing unhealthy about my end of any such discussion.
Your right. Nothing unhealthy about not discussing a subject you know nothing about. Also not healthy either. Just non-existent.
Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong?Stuart
Stu.Can you tell me?
Who is the teacher of science?wakeup.
The only authority in science is empirical evidence.Stuart
Stu.My question was not about evidence,but who is the teacher of science?
wakeup.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:52) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 24 2013,05:07) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 19 2013,16:08) The motto of the Royal Society, the foremost association of scientists in the UK, is “Nullius in verba”, Latin for “Take nobody's word for it”. Science is corrosive to religious faith because it demands you try to disprove what you believe.
Stu……..I agree with “Take nobody's word for it” , because true Faith is Built upon ones owm Proofs. But you on the other hand do not believe that, because you believe on the words of other Atheists , who have their own “religion “of not believing in God. So are you really a “take nobody's word for it”, kinda guy or are you really a “religious” atheist, who goes by the word of his atheist “religion”.You see what is good for the goose should also be good for the gander right? So you pump your “religion”, we pump ours, your end up with zero, Ours end up with eternal life , so who is the biggest looser Stu ?
peace and love to you and yours Stu……………………….gene
I don't feel like a loser. I feel like a person who has based his spirituality on things that can reasonably be shown to be true, not just things that I would like to be true.And I can't work out why anyone in their right mind would want christianity to be true.
Stuart
Stu……….What “SPIRITUALITY” Spirit is what we talk about , not What you talk about, You believe SPIRIT does not exist “RIGHT”? , because you don't believe in the unseen things of God, Sprituality is UNSEEN “EVIDENCE” you have none of that Correct? At least that is they way i understand your line of reasoning.If you believe in Spirit you would understand the it is Sprit that Gives us our “INTELLECTS” of COGNATE THOUGHTS. It is what LIFE “ITSELF” IS, And that is an unseen Power working in Physical things and it has nothing to do with your “religion” of a Premurtial swamp evoluatons of any kind.
Stu your mixing up Spriturial with Physical evidence, while both can give proofs in cause and effects , one is only seen in the lower physical realms eye, while Spritual things is seen through the “Spiritual “eye. The eye of the mind which is from above.
Stu to me it like this you are like a Prisoner who is inside the Prision walls, you can see thing that are inside it , but are unable to see the whole picture like a person who can see it on the out side as well as on the inside, You only have part of the picture, from a scientific point of view and i should qualify that, because many scientist see a designer in the works of creation and more and more evidence is pointing to that conclusion as science advances. IMO
peace and love to you and your Stu…………………..gene
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:52) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 24 2013,05:07) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 19 2013,16:08) The motto of the Royal Society, the foremost association of scientists in the UK, is “Nullius in verba”, Latin for “Take nobody's word for it”. Science is corrosive to religious faith because it demands you try to disprove what you believe.
Stu……..I agree with “Take nobody's word for it” , because true Faith is Built upon ones owm Proofs. But you on the other hand do not believe that, because you believe on the words of other Atheists , who have their own “religion “of not believing in God. So are you really a “take nobody's word for it”, kinda guy or are you really a “religious” atheist, who goes by the word of his atheist “religion”.You see what is good for the goose should also be good for the gander right? So you pump your “religion”, we pump ours, your end up with zero, Ours end up with eternal life , so who is the biggest looser Stu ?
peace and love to you and yours Stu……………………….gene
I don't feel like a loser. I feel like a person who has based his spirituality on things that can reasonably be shown to be true, not just things that I would like to be true.And I can't work out why anyone in their right mind would want christianity to be true.
Stuart
Stu……….What “SPIRITUALITY” Spirit is what we talk about , not What you talk about, You believe SPIRIT does not exist “RIGHT”? , because you don't believe in the unseen things of God, Sprituality is UNSEEN “EVIDENCE” you have none of that Correct? At least that is they way i understand your line of reasoning.If you believe in Spirit you would understand the it is Sprit that Gives us our “INTELLECTS” of COGNATE THOUGHTS. It is what LIFE “ITSELF” IS, And that is an unseen Power working in Physical things and it has nothing to do with your “religion” of a Premurtial swamp evoluatons of any kind.
Stu your mixing up Spriturial with Physical evidence, while both can give proofs in cause and effects , one is only seen in the lower physical realms eye, while Spritual things is seen through the “Spiritual “eye. The eye of the mind which is from above.
Stu to me it like this you are like a Prisoner who is inside the Prision walls, you can see thing that are inside it , but are unable to see the whole picture like a person who can see it on the out side as well as on the inside, You only have part of the picture, from a scientific point of view and i should qualify that, because many scientist see a designer in the works of creation and more and more evidence is pointing to that conclusion as science advances. IMO
Stu if you had a bag of nuts and bolts and i would tell you to Just throw them into the air and they would come to earth as a complete automobile. would that happen in say a thousand years or say a million or say a Billion or a trillion Years, would that ever happen for all eternity. And that is not even close to what it would take for a single Human being to come into existence.
That is what you are asking us to believe ,in your “evolution” Bull.
peace and love to you and your Stu…………………..gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 25 2013,01:54) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 24 2013,09:24) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:26) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:41) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,00:19) Nothing unhealthy about my end of any such discussion.
Your right. Nothing unhealthy about not discussing a subject you know nothing about. Also not healthy either. Just non-existent.
Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong?Stuart
Stu.Can you tell me?
Who is the teacher of science?wakeup.
The only authority in science is empirical evidence.Stuart
Stu.My question was not about evidence,but who is the teacher of science?
wakeup.
The only teacher is empirical evidence.Stuart
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2013,03:07) You believe SPIRIT does not exist “RIGHT”?
Can't you read?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:26) Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong? Stuart
Is that an invitation to go back to the Hot Seat and back to where you agree that the Universe came from nothing.Good, I look forward to continuing. I assumed you ran off, but your fighting words here show me that this is unfinished business.
See you there with your gloves on.
Go here Stu.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,20:47) Is that an invitation to go back to the Hot Seat and back to where you agree that the Universe came from nothing. Good, I look forward to continuing. I assumed you ran off,
You seem to be confused about which of us “runs off”. Firstly, you will recall that I have asked you to define the terms of your question, and you ran away from that. Secondly, you appear to have run away from this:https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=4681
And from this:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=4472
Stuart
Did the fist one for you Stu, so how about giving me some answers. Will look at the second link another day. Too late to do that now.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,22:09) Did the fist one for you Stu, so how about giving me some answers. Will look at the second link another day. Too late to do that now.
Love your in-depth consideration of the issue of you running away, as usual.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 25 2013,16:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 25 2013,01:54) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 24 2013,09:24) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:26) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:41) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,00:19) Nothing unhealthy about my end of any such discussion.
Your right. Nothing unhealthy about not discussing a subject you know nothing about. Also not healthy either. Just non-existent.
Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong?Stuart
Stu.Can you tell me?
Who is the teacher of science?wakeup.
The only authority in science is empirical evidence.Stuart
Stu.My question was not about evidence,but who is the teacher of science?
wakeup.
The only teacher is empirical evidence.Stuart
Stu.Not correct.
The teacher gives all the avidence.
And it is called nature.
The scientist just gather all the evidence,what nature can give.wakeup.
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,01:37) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,22:09) Did the fist one for you Stu, so how about giving me some answers. Will look at the second link another day. Too late to do that now.
Love your in-depth consideration of the issue of you running away, as usual.Stuart
Thanks. I hope it wasn't too much for an ape to comprehend. I have learned that simple answers work best. Otherwise you ask the wrong questions when it gets too complicated.Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 26 2013,00:00) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 25 2013,16:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 25 2013,01:54) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 24 2013,18:53) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 24 2013,09:24) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,21:26) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:41) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 20 2013,00:19) Nothing unhealthy about my end of any such discussion.
Your right. Nothing unhealthy about not discussing a subject you know nothing about. Also not healthy either. Just non-existent.
Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong?Stuart
Stu.Can you tell me?
Who is the teacher of science?wakeup.
The only authority in science is empirical evidence.Stuart
Stu.My question was not about evidence,but who is the teacher of science?
wakeup.
The only teacher is empirical evidence.Stuart
Stu.Not correct.
The teacher gives all the avidence.
And it is called nature.
The scientist just gather all the evidence,what nature can give.wakeup.
Wasn't that what I was saying?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,08:35) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,01:37) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,22:09) Did the fist one for you Stu, so how about giving me some answers. Will look at the second link another day. Too late to do that now.
Love your in-depth consideration of the issue of you running away, as usual.Stuart
Thanks. I hope it wasn't too much for an ape to comprehend. I have learned that simple answers work best. Otherwise you ask the wrong questions when it gets too complicated.
Maybe one day you will experiment with complex answers to complex questions.Stuart
I do, but not with you. The point is lost on one such as you.
Learned that along time ago.If I keep it simple, then there is also less chances for dodging good points. Although now there is the Hot Seat. Great invention that. I am thinking of patenting the idea.
That reminds me, I should head over there and turn up the heat by a few degrees.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,18:21) I do, but not with you. The point is lost on one such as you.
Learned that along time ago.If I keep it simple, then there is also less chances for dodging good points. Although now there is the Hot Seat. Great invention that. I am thinking of patenting the idea.
That reminds me, I should head over there and turn up the heat by a few degrees.
I thought your simpleton approach made it easier for you to pretend to dodge good points.Stuart
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