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Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,10:17) Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
To divertCertainly God demands that all his servants be honoured just as He, is especially His son, because they represent Him and speak His words.
But that does not mean He wants men to worship His Son or His prophets.
True worshipers worship the Father as he told us.[jn4]
Are you one of those?
True worshipers do worship the Father. But it must be on the Father's terms. He has made His terms very clear. Do you accept the Father's terms?thinker
The Father's terms or God's terms? Those are different to you so which do you mean. Also can the Father have different terms then God?I will tell you this, it was definitely not a triune God that led me to Islam.
The Father's terms are God's terms. The Son's terms are also God's terms. You are right about one thing. The God of the Bible did not lead you to Islam. He did not lead you anymore than He led Ishmael.thinker
Who blessed Ishmael?When you answer that you will find God yourself.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 26 2009,03:41) Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,10:17) Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
To divertCertainly God demands that all his servants be honoured just as He, is especially His son, because they represent Him and speak His words.
But that does not mean He wants men to worship His Son or His prophets.
True worshipers worship the Father as he told us.[jn4]
Are you one of those?
True worshipers do worship the Father. But it must be on the Father's terms. He has made His terms very clear. Do you accept the Father's terms?thinker
The Father's terms or God's terms? Those are different to you so which do you mean. Also can the Father have different terms then God?I will tell you this, it was definitely not a triune God that led me to Islam.
The Father's terms are God's terms. The Son's terms are also God's terms. You are right about one thing. The God of the Bible did not lead you to Islam. He did not lead you anymore than He led Ishmael.thinker
Who blessed Ishmael?When you answer that you will find God yourself.
The blessing was revoked as I have already shown.“I AM the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Ishmael.”
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,04:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 26 2009,03:41) Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,10:17) Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,09:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,09:32) Hi TT,
To divertCertainly God demands that all his servants be honoured just as He, is especially His son, because they represent Him and speak His words.
But that does not mean He wants men to worship His Son or His prophets.
True worshipers worship the Father as he told us.[jn4]
Are you one of those?
True worshipers do worship the Father. But it must be on the Father's terms. He has made His terms very clear. Do you accept the Father's terms?thinker
The Father's terms or God's terms? Those are different to you so which do you mean. Also can the Father have different terms then God?I will tell you this, it was definitely not a triune God that led me to Islam.
The Father's terms are God's terms. The Son's terms are also God's terms. You are right about one thing. The God of the Bible did not lead you to Islam. He did not lead you anymore than He led Ishmael.thinker
Who blessed Ishmael?When you answer that you will find God yourself.
The blessing was revoked as I have already shown.“I AM the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Ishmael.”
thinker
Then why does the blessing happen after Ishmael and Hagar were already gone.Who blessed Ishmael?
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Who blessed Ishmael?
17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
Who blessed Ishmael and made him a great nation?
When you answer that you may just find God.
So will you answer?
bodhitharta said:
Quote Then why does the blessing happen after Ishmael and Hagar were already gone. Exactly! Ishmael is GONE! The blessing had nothing to do with salvation. After Ishmael was gone God said to Abraham, “Offer up Isaac your ONLY son.”
How many times are you going to make me repeat this? The covenant blessings came through Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,04:51) bodhitharta said: Quote Then why does the blessing happen after Ishmael and Hagar were already gone. Exactly! Ishmael is GONE! The blessing had nothing to do with salvation. After Ishmael was gone God said to Abraham, “Offer up Isaac your ONLY son.”
How many times are you going to make me repeat this? The covenant blessings came through Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.
thinker
So who blessed Ishmael?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 26 2009,05:28) Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,04:51) bodhitharta said: Quote Then why does the blessing happen after Ishmael and Hagar were already gone. Exactly! Ishmael is GONE! The blessing had nothing to do with salvation. After Ishmael was gone God said to Abraham, “Offer up Isaac your ONLY son.”
How many times are you going to make me repeat this? The covenant blessings came through Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.
thinker
So who blessed Ishmael?
bd,
Give it up dude! Islam is based on a false premise.thinker
thinker……….I would not criticize Islam when Trinitarians are even more wrong, at least they believe on only (ONE) GOD. which is more then i can say for Trinitarians, brother.
peace and love……………………gene
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,08:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 26 2009,05:28) Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,04:51) bodhitharta said: Quote Then why does the blessing happen after Ishmael and Hagar were already gone. Exactly! Ishmael is GONE! The blessing had nothing to do with salvation. After Ishmael was gone God said to Abraham, “Offer up Isaac your ONLY son.”
How many times are you going to make me repeat this? The covenant blessings came through Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.
thinker
So who blessed Ishmael?
bd,
Give it up dude! Islam is based on a false premise.thinker
The premise of Islam is that God is One Being who Has Absolute Power and Authority He can punish whom He pleases and he can have mercy on whomever He pleases.The premise of Islam is God has no equals, partners, co-horts
He does not need humans to help Him create nor does He have offspring He created Jesus with a word and that Word became Flesh.The premise of Islam is that Jesus was a Spirit that proceded from God and a Word from Him and a Sign of the Hour
The premise of Islam is that only God knows all the secrets and knows best about the past, present and future.
Quote (Gene @ July 26 2009,09:05) thinker……….I would not criticize Islam when Trinitarians are even more wrong, at least they believe on only (ONE) GOD. which is more then i can say for Trinitarians, brother. peace and love……………………gene
Now we now why you don't criticize bd even though he denies that our Lord was crucified. How is trinitarianism more wrong? Give scripture and not your “IMO”thinker
bodhitharta said:
Quote The premise of Islam is that God is One Being who Has Absolute Power and Authority He can punish whom He pleases and he can have mercy on whomever He pleases.
And He can punish Ishmael if He so pleases.Quote He does not need humans to help Him create nor does He have offspring He created Jesus with a word and that Word became Flesh.
We agree that God has no offspring. You need to take up this point with Lightenup. It is she who thinks God had offspring. There is no Scripture anywhere that says that Jesus was created.Quote The premise of Islam is that Jesus was a Spirit that proceded from God and a Word from Him and a Sign of the Hour
This is not found in the Christian Bible.Quote The premise of Islam is that only God knows all the secrets and knows best about the past, present and future.
I agree that only God knows all things. But this does not mean that He MUST know all things. God was walking in the garden looking for Adam. He did not know where Adam was.thinker
Thinker………No where do andy scripture say GOD is three triune anythings. But Scripture and Jesus does say, that there is (ONLY) (ONE) TRUE GOD> do you need me to quote it to you again even though i have quoted then many, many. many times. When are you going to start believing what Jesus and scripture and GOD HIMSELF Says. This may help you , HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) LORD. AND AGAIN FROM JESUS “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD.” i could give you many, many. many. more even where GOD said He looked for another and there were no others, what part of all these scriptures you don't understand, So from my perspective Islam is more closer to the truth then any TRINITARIAN IS. IMO backed by scripture says this.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene @ July 27 2009,06:32) Thinker………No where do andy scripture say GOD is three triune anythings. But Scripture and Jesus does say, that there is (ONLY) (ONE) TRUE GOD> do you need me to quote it to you again even though i have quoted then many, many. many times. When are you going to start believing what Jesus and scripture and GOD HIMSELF Says. This may help you , HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) LORD. AND AGAIN FROM JESUS “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD.” i could give you many, many. many. more even where GOD said He looked for another and there were no others, what part of all these scriptures you don't understand, So from my perspective Islam is more closer to the truth then any TRINITARIAN IS. IMO backed by scripture says this. peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene,
I John 5:20 says that Jesus is the “true God and eternal life.” Verses 13-15 instruct us to pray to Him. Stephen prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59-60).God is triune!
thinker
Hi TT,
So he is not God or a PART OF the God that so blessed him?
The one who blesses is greater[heb7]
Hoew long will you resist truth?Quote (thethinker @ July 27 2009,10:00) Quote (Gene @ July 27 2009,06:32) Thinker………No where do andy scripture say GOD is three triune anythings. But Scripture and Jesus does say, that there is (ONLY) (ONE) TRUE GOD> do you need me to quote it to you again even though i have quoted then many, many. many times. When are you going to start believing what Jesus and scripture and GOD HIMSELF Says. This may help you , HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) LORD. AND AGAIN FROM JESUS “FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD.” i could give you many, many. many. more even where GOD said He looked for another and there were no others, what part of all these scriptures you don't understand, So from my perspective Islam is more closer to the truth then any TRINITARIAN IS. IMO backed by scripture says this. peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene,
I John 5:20 says that Jesus is the “true God and eternal life.” Verses 13-15 instruct us to pray to Him. Stephen prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59-60).God is triune!
thinker
1 John 5:20 (Young's Literal Translation)20and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during!
This one is referring to HIM. We are in Him, in HIS son
The TRUE God is HIM not Jesus Christ.10 He who is believing in the Son of God, hath the testimony in himself; he who is not believing God, a liar hath made Him, because he hath not believed in the testimony that God hath testified concerning His Son;
The author is not calling the son “God” it says that God testified concerning His Son, tell me thinker when did the community of God have a son?
Quote (Gene @ July 25 2009,17:05) thinker……….I would not criticize Islam when Trinitarians are even more wrong, at least they believe on only (ONE) GOD. which is more then i can say for Trinitarians, brother. peace and love……………………gene
GBDo you just change you convictions when it suits you?
You have said many times before that “Trinitarians at least believe that there is “One God” while those who believe in Jesus pre-existence believe in more than one God.
Now you would rather side with an “unbeliever” who denys the blood of Jesus?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 27 2009,15:14) Quote (Gene @ July 25 2009,17:05) thinker……….I would not criticize Islam when Trinitarians are even more wrong, at least they believe on only (ONE) GOD. which is more then i can say for Trinitarians, brother. peace and love……………………gene
GBDo you just change you convictions when it suits you?
You have said many times before that “Trinitarians at least believe that there is “One God” while those who believe in Jesus pre-existence believe in more than one God.
Now you would rather side with an “unbeliever” who denys the blood of Jesus?
WJ
Why call me an unbeliever when you know that you speak a lie.I believe That there is no other god but God and that Jesus is His Christ
Is that a belief that is wrong?
Hi BD,
If Jesus is the anointed one of God why do you think you can find fault with him?
Are you greater than our God?WJ………..Trinitarians do believe there in (ONE) GOD in three FORM right? GOD the Father , GOD the son and God the Spirit and they are homousious (GOD FROM GOD). My point in stating that was that trinitarians believe that GOD created everything and to my Knowledge they do If you recall i quoted where GOD said HE alone and BY HIMSELF created everything showing Jesus was not Present when HE created the WORLD and EVERYTHING IN IT. . However they also believe there are three of them in existences also. I was arguing against Jesus having created everything, not the Three GOD Position, trinitarians teach. WJ you are doing here what trinitarians do they take scripture out of context also, Just as you have taken what i was saying out of context brother.
peace and love to you and yours………………………pgene
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