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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 06 2009,18:28) Hi WJ,
So if you have two equals you have two gods?
This polytheism is abhorrent
NHI didnt think you would answer the questions!
WJ
WJ………..Doesn't it even bother you some when you read where GOD said YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BESIDES MEN, AND WHERE JESUS SAID THOU ART THE (ONLY0 TRUE GOD. And where GOD said He looked for another GOD and THERE WAS NONE , BUT HIM ALONE. You would think that would at least bother you some. How do you say Jesus was a GOD when HE never said He was a GOD, But that He had a GOD and that GOD was the Same GOD WE HAVE. Are there barriers in you mind that prevent you from understanding these things, or is it that the thought of being wrong is to humbling for you, look we have all been wrong at times. Come out of these false teaching of the Apostate Church, and start anew brother. IMO
Peace and Love to you and yours…………………….gene
WJ………..Doesn't it even bother you some when you read where GOD said YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BESIDES MEN, AND WHERE JESUS SAID THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. And where GOD said He looked for another GOD and THERE WAS NONE , BUT HIM ALONE. You would think that would at least bother you some. How do you say Jesus was a GOD when HE never said He was a GOD, But that He had a GOD and that GOD was the Same GOD WE HAVE. Are there barriers in you mind that prevent you from understanding these things, or is it that the thought of being wrong is to humbling for you, look we have all been wrong at times. Come out of these false teaching of the Apostate Church, and start anew brother. IMO
Peace and Love to you and yours…………………….gene
Nick and Gene! Does John 1:1 not say that:” In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God. And the Word was with God. Two Spirit Beings. Also in
Col. 1:15 it says:” He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
verse 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that is in earth, visible and invisible…..Rev. 3:14…” These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the beginning of the creation of God.”
I do not believe in a Trinity Doctrine and the preexisting of Jesus has nothing to do with the trinity.
God is a title, God the Father has another name Jehovah and of course the Word became flesh and was named Jesus.
John 1:14Jesus in the O.T. also was called YEshua.
IMO God is a Family Name, are we not called the Children or Son's of God? I am for ever thankful to our Heavenly Father that He has revealed so many new truths to me and my Husband. It was not easy to start excepting all. But with God's Holy Spirit all is possible.Peace and Love Irene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 07 2009,10:28) Hi WJ,
So if you have two equals you have two gods?
This polytheism is abhorrent
We have one Lord (Sovereign) Jesus Christ. Yes or no!thinker
Thinker………NO, the LORD (GOD) said unto MY Lord Jesus Christ , sit on my side until (I) GOD< Make you enemies your foot stool. Interesting seem the FATHER is taking Credit for it ALL.
peace and love………………geen
Quote (Gene @ Aug. 10 2009,01:46) Thinker………NO, the LORD (GOD) said unto MY Lord Jesus Christ , sit on my side until (I) GOD< Make you enemies your foot stool. Interesting seem the FATHER is taking Credit for it ALL. peace and love………………geen
Gene,
The new testament explains the old. This is basic. The Father said TO THE SON,Quote 8 But to the Son He says: “ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”[c]10 And:
“ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.The Father is giving the credit to the Son.
thinkerThinker ………And the son turns the Kingdom back to the FATHER and becomes subject to him in the end. There is (ONLY) ONE TRUE GOD, when are you going to get it. imo
peace and love…………….gene
thinker said to Nick:
Quote We have one Lord (Sovereign) Jesus Christ. Yes or no! Gene replied to thinker:
Quote Thinker………NO, the LORD (GOD) said unto MY Lord Jesus Christ , sit on my side until (I) GOD< Make you enemies your foot stool. Interesting seem the FATHER is taking Credit for it ALL. Gene,
You cannot be a Christian if you deny that Christ is Lord. The Father did NOT “take credit” for all. He explicitly gave the credit for the creation to the Son:Quote 8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”10And,
“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your handsI am going to keep bringing up what the Father said to the Son until you deal with it. You said that Christ is not the Lord. This means that you are not a Christian. The Father called the Son “God” (verse 8) and “Lord” (verse 10).
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 11 2009,04:30) thinker said to Nick: Quote We have one Lord (Sovereign) Jesus Christ. Yes or no! Gene replied to thinker:
Quote Thinker………NO, the LORD (GOD) said unto MY Lord Jesus Christ , sit on my side until (I) GOD< Make you enemies your foot stool. Interesting seem the FATHER is taking Credit for it ALL. Gene,
You cannot be a Christian if you deny that Christ is Lord. The Father did NOT “take credit” for all. He explicitly gave the credit for the creation to the Son:Quote 8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”10And,
“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your handsI am going to keep bringing up what the Father said to the Son until you deal with it. You said that Christ is not the Lord. This means that you are not a Christian. The Father called the Son “God” (verse 8) and “Lord” (verse 10).
thinker
Ok and if The Father gives credit to The Son for creation. Then please tell us who The Father was talking about when he said to JobJob 38]
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
So if The Father gives credit to The Son, but here he's talking about himself…it would seem a contradiction.
But it is reconciled if you believe that The Father and The Son and Holy Spirit are 1 God…As stated in scripture…just read my signature.
Quote She said that she had “actually” seen God. “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me?”–NWT
It looks more like a question to me.
You seem to have neglected that:
Quote Then she began to call the name of Jehovah who was speaking to her: “You are A God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me” Quote (david @ Aug. 22 2009,17:01) Quote She said that she had “actually” seen God. “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me?”–NWT
It looks more like a question to me.
You seem to have neglected that:
Quote Then she began to call the name of Jehovah who was speaking to her: “You are A God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me”
Answer my above question, i'm not going to let you guys ignore these blatant facts.Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 27 2009,05:31) Quote (david @ Aug. 22 2009,17:01) Quote She said that she had “actually” seen God. “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me?”–NWT
It looks more like a question to me.
You seem to have neglected that:
Quote Then she began to call the name of Jehovah who was speaking to her: “You are A God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me”
Answer my above question, i'm not going to let you guys ignore these blatant facts.
Of course the scripture in Job is about God himself, the Father.I will answer your question if you answer mine.
If a king has a builder construct a castle based on the king's designs and plans, can it not be said:
The builder built the castle.
and
The King built the castle.In the Bible, it says Solomon built the temple, but we know he only supplied the workers, materials, etc. It was him, behind the building.
But do you see how it could be said the Solomon built the temple, when really, he HAD it built?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Quote But it is reconciled if you believe that The Father and The Son and Holy Spirit are 1 God…As stated in scripture…just read my signature.
Or, it's reconciled even more simply if we look at how people speak and what they mean. 'King Solomon “built” the temple.'
The Bible says this a dozen times. Sometimes it even says things like:
And this is the reason why he lifted up his hand against the king: Sol′o·mon HIMSELF HAD BUILT the Mound. (1 KI 11:27)May I ask you: Who actually built the mound?
Solomon himself had built the mound.
BUT, WE KNOW he used workers who actually did the building.Do you think the king of the universe could appoint the building work to his son?
Do you think it could be said that God is the Creator, but Jesus was the master worker doing the work?What do YOU thinK?
Quote (david @ Aug. 27 2009,10:13) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 27 2009,05:31) Quote (david @ Aug. 22 2009,17:01) Quote She said that she had “actually” seen God. “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me?”–NWT
It looks more like a question to me.
You seem to have neglected that:
Quote Then she began to call the name of Jehovah who was speaking to her: “You are A God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon him who sees me”
Answer my above question, i'm not going to let you guys ignore these blatant facts.
Of course the scripture in Job is about God himself, the Father.I will answer your question if you answer mine.
If a king has a builder construct a castle based on the king's designs and plans, can it not be said:
The builder built the castle.
and
The King built the castle.In the Bible, it says Solomon built the temple, but we know he only supplied the workers, materials, etc. It was him, behind the building.
But do you see how it could be said the Solomon built the temple, when really, he HAD it built?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Quote But it is reconciled if you believe that The Father and The Son and Holy Spirit are 1 God…As stated in scripture…just read my signature.
Or, it's reconciled even more simply if we look at how people speak and what they mean. 'King Solomon “built” the temple.'
The Bible says this a dozen times. Sometimes it even says things like:
And this is the reason why he lifted up his hand against the king: Sol′o·mon HIMSELF HAD BUILT the Mound. (1 KI 11:27)May I ask you: Who actually built the mound?
Solomon himself had built the mound.
BUT, WE KNOW he used workers who actually did the building.Do you think the king of the universe could appoint the building work to his son?
Do you think it could be said that God is the Creator, but Jesus was the master worker doing the work?What do YOU thinK?
Let me get in with you guys. In Genesis it says that ” Let us and our. Jesus and the Father did all the work by the power of the Father. The Father is the Almighty God and LORD, while Jesus is Lord and King of Kings. Lord in small letters and LORD in capital letters. In Proverbs 8:22-30 even though some think it is wisdom speaking, but to me that makes no sense, since the Father already had all wisdom. Wisdom is not a person, rather it is an essence what the Father has, like Love, patience, joy etc.
Also in
Col. 1:15-17 tells us that Jesus was the firstborn over all creation.
Rev. 3:14 says the same.
And did create all, by the power of the Father.
Peace and Love Irene
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