My eye has been opened

[terraricca]

ED j
yes we as chritians we are not allowed or qualified to juge if a person is or not to recieve live from God.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

Psa 119:66 Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments.

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
The ten commandments are not written on hearts in God's new covenant.
Love fulfils them.

[GeneBalthrop]

To all……….The gentiles who have (NOT) the Law but do the things contained in them , show the Laws written in their Hearts and minds (BY) the Hand of GOD. And again, I will take out of you the stony Heart and give you a heart of flesh (soft hearts) and i will write my law in you inward parts. The love of GOD in us indeed fulfills the commandments of GOD in US, does (NOT) do away with them but fulfills them.

gene

[terraricca]

hi gene
would it not be saied that some law are not fullfilled because the law was made for the wicket not for the rightgeous,but the two laws christ has given us are fullfilled by the righteous one.

this i believe

[GeneBalthrop]

terraricca……..Law (forced compliance) was made for the wicked, but when we add the definite (ARTICLE) to It (THE) it then defines the ten commandments and those were made for all, and are eternal, they represent the Heart of GOD, and He puts them in Us by His Changing our natures or our hearts. The Commandment are (NOT) done away with they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in US.

peace and love to you and yours……………gene

[terraricca]

hi gene
you say the ten commandements represent “the heart of GOD,but christ as summed up all in two ,love God to the fulliest and love your felloman as your self.
Paul also said ;three remains ;faith,hope and love but the greathiest is LOVE;and in do time i believe that faith and hope will be remove
but LOVE will remain forever,because this is the heart of GOD' because GODis LOVE

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 15 2009,16:27)

terraricca……..Law (forced compliance) was made for the wicked, but when we add the definite (ARTICLE) to It (THE) it then defines the ten commandments and those were made for all, and are eternal, they represent the Heart of GOD, and He puts them in Us by His Changing our natures or our hearts. The Commandment are (NOT) done away with they are fulfilled by the Spirit of GOD in US. peace and love to you and yours……………gene

Hi Gene,

Well said, I'm glad I started this thread; people needed to know.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[banana]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 15 2009,12:53)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 15 2009,10:31) Ed Alright, since you insist. Dan 8:13 ¶ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?   Explain to me this scripture, and does it have anything to do with the next scripture? Dan 8:14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Georg Hi Georg, Since one is a question and the other is an answer, I would say Yes, they are connected both in numbers succession and context relevancy.   Others have said in the Theomatic principal (also known as Gematria) when you take a number such as 3, its meaning (whatever it may be) becomes intensified, whether it is 33, 333, 3333 or 30, 300, 3000; keep in mind this is what others studying Gematria have surmised. Based on Gematria(2300): this is the false god of religion, ‘i am’=23 (2Thess.2:3)! “to not fully understand the enemy is to leave oneself blind” Have your eyes been opened yet? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

Is that you explanation to Dan. 8:13 and 14?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 15 2009,17:37)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 15 2009,12:53) Quote (banana @ Dec. 15 2009,10:31) Ed Alright, since you insist. Dan 8:13 ¶ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?   Explain to me this scripture, and does it have anything to do with the next scripture? Dan 8:14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Georg Hi Georg, Since one is a question and the other is an answer, I would say Yes, they are connected both in numbers succession and context relevancy.   Others have said in the Theomatic principal (also known as Gematria) when you take a number such as 3, its meaning (whatever it may be) becomes intensified, whether it is 33, 333, 3333 or 30, 300, 3000; keep in mind this is what others studying Gematria have surmised. Based on Gematria(2300): this is the false god of religion, ‘i am’=23 (2Thess.2:3)! “to not fully understand the enemy is to leave oneself blind” Have your eyes been opened yet? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed Is that you explanation to Dan. 8:13 and 14? Georg

Hi Georg,

Isn't the spiritual application more important than the physical application?
Do you want the physical application of Dan.8:13-14?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[banana]

Ed

No, not application, EXPLANATION.

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,10:45)

Ed No, not application, EXPLANATION. Georg

Hi Georg,

What's more important to understand how a rocket works or what you can do with it?

Did I not give you the “Spiritual” explanation?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[banana]

Ed

I'm not building rockets, and I'm not asking for spiritual explanation, they don't help me understand what the scripture says.
I hardly know what I can do with my computer, but I understand how to use it for what I need, the rest for me is unimportant. To be honest, I don't have the mind for that, and that goes for your numbers too. It doesn't help me in any way, in fact, its more confusing to me.
A simple question deserves a simple answer, unless your name is Nick.
Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,23:26)

Ed I'm not building rockets, and I'm not asking for spiritual explanation, they don't help me understand what the scripture says. I hardly know what I can do with my computer, but I understand how to use it for what I need, the rest for me is unimportant. To be honest, I don't have the mind for that, and that goes for your numbers too. It doesn't help me in any way, in fact, its more confusing to me. A simple question deserves a simple answer, unless your name is Nick. Georg

Hi Georg,

You don’t get to determine what is deserving and what isn’t deserving.

Do you know the physical explanation is Dan.8:13-14?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

hi gene
you still did not answer my question??from page 33

[banana]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2009,07:14)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 17 2009,23:26) Ed I'm not building rockets, and I'm not asking for spiritual explanation, they don't help me understand what the scripture says. I hardly know what I can do with my computer, but I understand how to use it for what I need, the rest for me is unimportant. To be honest, I don't have the mind for that, and that goes for your numbers too. It doesn't help me in any way, in fact, its more confusing to me. A simple question deserves a simple answer, unless your name is Nick. Georg Hi Georg, You don’t get to determine what is deserving and what isn’t deserving. Do you know the physical explanation is Dan.8:13-14? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

Yes I do.

Dan 8:13 ¶ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?  

The vision concerning the “daily sacrifice” meaning, Christs ongoing, never having to repeat it, sacrifice. The “transgression” the violation of that sacrifice, of “desolation” that destroyed the true meaning of that sacrifice, was the invention of the Catholic Mass sacrifice. If you are not familiar with that, I will explain.
“To give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot”
The “host” are the Jewish people, they were to be trodden under, ruled over by Gentile nation till 1914. That is when their seven time punishment was up, which began in 606 BC with the invasion by the Babylonians.
The “sanctuary” is God spiritual temple, the saints; they were to be trodden under by Antichrist for 1260 years, which started in 565 AD.      

Dan 8:14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed

This is a totally different sanctuary.

Psa 102:19   For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;  

Daniel did not understand that, when he heard that it made him sick, verse 27, he thought God had extended their punishment 6 and a half years. Because in chapter 9 which is 12 years later, and less than 3 years to go on their 70 year captivity, he is asking God for mercy and forgiveness.
So the angel comes to him and says, “I'm come to give you understanding of that vision”; but he never mentions the 2300 days again, instead he tells him about the 70 weeks. He says from the time the order is given to rebuild the city and her walls, 457 BC; and that is the key to when you have to start counting the 2300 days/years.
When you do, you will know when this happened.

Rev 12:7 ¶ And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,  
Rev 12:8   And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.  
Rev 12:9   And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

It was God's heavenly sanctuary that was cleansed of Satan and his devils.
And yes I do deserve an answer to my questions, even if it is, I don't know, at least than you're honest.

Georg

[terraricca]

hi ed
what is your version on Dan 8;13???????

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2009,17:06)

hi gene you say the ten commandements represent “the heart of GOD,but christ as summed up all in two ,love God to the fulliest and love your felloman as your self. Paul also said ;three remains ;faith,hope and love but the greathiest is LOVE;and in do time i believe that faith and hope will be remove but LOVE will remain forever,because this is the heart of GOD' because GODis LOVE

terrarccia………..I assume this is what you are talking about, so i will ask you a question is Christ greater then GOD?, Jesus said to the young ruler (KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS) and even listed some of them. While they all hinge on LOVE for GOD and our fellow MAN, we must remember the Hinges supports the DOOR , so does LOVE it supports the ten commandments. Why people get confused is the way scripture has mistranslated law, by inserting the (definite article (the) into the text, If you have a Greek (original translation) and check it out you will find that (the) a definite article is not used some of the time where Paul mention LAW , this changes the meaning of what Paul was driving at, if i say by works of Law , I am talking about (HOW) LAW WORKS, if I add the (definite article) (THE) that is referring to a specific set of Laws (the ten commandments). Check it out,…..IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2009,00:31)

hi ed what is your version on Dan 8;13???????

Hi Terraricca,

Is your goal hear at [heaven.net.nz] to help establish “Truth”; or just merely to create controversy.
Was Georg’s explanation of Dan.8:13 unsatisfactory to you in some way; if so in which way?

Or

Was your question…
what is your version on Dan 8;13???????
only intended for conflict and controversy?

2Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Philippians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

Was the last post you made (page 6 post #4) in the thread…
“English gematria: interfaces with akjv bible, Offers proof of god's existence” category “The Bible”
intended for conflict and controversy as well?

Think about it,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

hi edJ
first i answer your question,on my question ,it seems to me that you have not mention your view on the Dan 8-13
and so i am curious to see your interpretation,that s all it is ,if you want to make it more ,this is up to you.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2009,06:46)

hi edJ first i answer your question,on my question ,it seems to me that you have not mention your view on the Dan 8-13 and so i am curious to see your interpretation,that s all it is ,if you want to make it more ,this is up to you.

Hi Terraricca,

I believe you are sincere; here is how I understand it.

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

I believe the black part of this verse is talking about Jesus the messiah.
I believe the last part of the verse is talking about 1914 when Allenby
marched into Jerusalem, and retook it; freeing Jerusalem, and ending “the times of the Gentiles”.
As far as all the Catholic stuff Georg mentions, it is speculative, arbitrary, and irrelevant!

The black part is spoken of in greater detail in Daniel 9:24-27…

Daniel 9:24-27 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:the street shall be built again,
and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem was made by King Artaxerxesin 458 B.C.

Ezra 7:11-14 Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe,
even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.
Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace,
and at such a time. I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellors,
to enquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, “according to the law of thy God” which is in thine hand;

According to most historians Christ was born somewhere between 3 B.C. to 6 B.C.
Assuming he was born in 5 B.C. that would mean Jesus began
his Earthly Ministry in 25 A.D., exactly 69 weeks of years(483 years).

Exactly 3 1/2 years into his Earthly Ministry, the Prophesy of Zech 9:9 is fulfilled…

Zech. 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem:
behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly,
and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

The Book of Acts completes the 70 weeks of Daniel(490 years);
as most of the Apostles were killed 3 ½ years after Jesus was.

I hope this better helps you to understand Daniel 8:13 Terraricca.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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