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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,10:46) Hi BD,
The Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Christ.
Paul and his brothers continued the work by Christ in them.
You follow another teacher.
So all the words of Paul remind you of the words of Christ?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,11:26) Hi BD,
The words of Paul are the words of Christ in him.[Gal2]
Gal220 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
you mean the one who said this?
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:17-19Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,16:26) I live by the faith of the Son of God[/b], who loved me, and gave himself for me.
How can you say you have faith in the Son of God?When you believe God has no son?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 20 2009,16:26) I live by the faith of the Son of God[/b], who loved me, and gave himself for me.
How can you say you have faith in the Son of God?When you believe God has no son?
Where did you get that quote?I however do Have faith in Jesus and all believers but Ultimately my Faith is in God.
Jesus told us to have Faith in God and I have Faith in what Jesus taught, is that wrong or right?
Hi bodhitharta.
Lets be real. Your view is against the Christ. You do not believe that Jesus is the son of God if you believe what is written in the Koran. You must also by reason of this side with the High Priest and against the Christ in the following encounter.
Matthew 26:63-65
63 But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.”64 “Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.
You also disagree with Mark
1:1 The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God.You disagree with Paul
Acts 9:20
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.Romans 1:4
and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.Even the demons acknowledge that he is the son of God.
Mark 5:7
He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't torture me!”A centurion also acknowledges the truth
Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”Now back to Jesus who you seem to have a problem with.
John 11:4
When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it.”And so it is bodhitharta that you have not overcome the world.
1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.Let's stop the pretending. You are not a believer in Jesus the Christ. You do not agree with his words and you do not believe the words of his disciples.
Be honest. Be real. That is what these forums are about.
Even the atheists here are honest about their beliefs.
DB………..I agree with T8, you say you believe in Jesus out of one side of your mouth but deny what he said out of the other. Why is that. IMO
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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,04:20) I however do Have faith in Jesus and all believers but Ultimately my Faith is in God. Jesus told us to have Faith in God and I have Faith in what Jesus taught, is that wrong or right?
Hi BD,You don't even know what Antichrist means.
Antichrist means INSTEAD of Christ; and that is what you preach.
You preach a different Christ, one that is incompatible with Biblical teachings.Quote (t8 @ Nov. 21 2009,09:01) Hi bodhitharta. Lets be real. Your view is against the Christ. You do not believe that Jesus is the son of God if you believe what is written in the Koran. You must also by reason of this side with the High Priest and against the Christ in the following encounter.
Matthew 26:63-65
63 But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.”64 “Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.
You also disagree with Mark
1:1 The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God.You disagree with Paul
Acts 9:20
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.Romans 1:4
and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.Even the demons acknowledge that he is the son of God.
Mark 5:7
He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't torture me!”A centurion also acknowledges the truth
Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”Now back to Jesus who you seem to have a problem with.
John 11:4
When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it.”And so it is bodhitharta that you have not overcome the world.
1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.Let's stop the pretending. You are not a believer in Jesus the Christ. You do not agree with his words and you do not believe the words of his disciples.
Be honest. Be real. That is what these forums are about.
Even the atheists here are honest about their beliefs.
T8,Once again you seem to misunderstand that the anointing is what makes one a “son”
I have said here numerous times that I have no problem calling Jesus “Son of God” so you are not understanding the actual point.
Are you the son of God? Was Adam the son of God? Solomon, David….?
In the Bible even angels are called the sons of God and they have no earthly birth at all.
The problem is not that Jesus is called the Son of God which I do believe in the context of Jewish culture but the fact is gentiles were Pagans and they take the term in a much different way and you already know this hence you don't believe that Mary is the Mother of God and worship her, but guess what people do everyday.
Now, these days even you will fight over whether Jesus is called son of God or not but you won't fight for Adam who is called son of God or any one of the others because now you yourself has decided that the sonship of Jesus is an ACTUAL LITERAL SONSHIP and that is the problem because God does nor procreate and why is this so hard for someone as intelligent as yourself to understand?
At the time of the Quran there were some Christians who actually believed that the Holy trinity was God the Father, Mary the Mother of God and Jesus the Son but you may not know these things. This was not unique in Pagan culture when the Pagan gods were believed to fall in love with woman of the earth and have children with them just like the angels did in genesis and as you know God called this an ABOMINATION
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:1-3There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:3-5So would these children be Grandsons of God?
The fact is what these angels did were an abomination and wicked and somehow this monstrous act was being attributed to God with Mary so the clarification is that God created Jesus without any intimacy with Mary.
God created angels and everything else he needs no partners in his creation.
So your accusations are rather misdirected. I believe that Jesus is The Christ, The anointed One. God even said “on this day I have begotten thee” it is an act of unity and love not one of procreation.
Jesus was already born when he said “On this day I have begotten thee” so that should demonstrate to you that to God Sonship is any dedicated servant.
Jesus was a servant and you are a servant. Jesus is a son and so are you if you are a dedicated servant. He called all of Israel His son.
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exodus 4:21-23Do you believe that T8? Do you believe that ISRAEL is God's son EVEN HIS FIRSTBORN?
That would mean even before Jesus, right?
So to be real we are not talking about do I believe in Jesus being The Christ, that much is evident through ALL of my posts but PLEASE answer that one question T8 or anyone else
Do you believe Exodus 4:21-23
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,10:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,04:20) I however do Have faith in Jesus and all believers but Ultimately my Faith is in God. Jesus told us to have Faith in God and I have Faith in what Jesus taught, is that wrong or right?
Hi BD,You don't even know what Antichrist means.
Antichrist means INSTEAD of Christ; and that is what you preach.
You preach a different Christ, one that is incompatible with Biblical teachings.
anti-
a prefix meaning “against,” “opposite of,” “antiparticle of,” used in the formation of compound words (anticline); used freely in combination with elements of any origin (antibody; antifreeze; antiknock; antilepton).You were wrong ANTI means against.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,12:53) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,10:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,04:20) I however do Have faith in Jesus and all believers but Ultimately my Faith is in God. Jesus told us to have Faith in God and I have Faith in what Jesus taught, is that wrong or right?
Hi BD,You don't even know what Antichrist means.
Antichrist means INSTEAD of Christ; and that is what you preach.
You preach a different Christ, one that is incompatible with Biblical teachings.
anti-
a prefix meaning “against,” “opposite of,” “antiparticle of,” used in the formation of compound words (anticline); used freely in combination with elements of any origin (antibody; antifreeze; antiknock; antilepton).You were wrong ANTI means against.
Hi BD,You preach a different Jesus that what is in the Bible.
And you are 'against' “Jesus Christ”=151 that “GOD The Father”=117 raised from the dead.
That is why you have 'antichrist'=121 'perception'=121.
Turn to the living GOD(YHVH) of the bible and you too can have “Bible Perception”=151My GOD is “THE LORD JEHOVAH”=151; because He (GOD The Father=117) provided salvation in Jesus(The Savior=117 / Isaiah 12:2),
and He also provided us everlasting strength in GOD The Father's Holy Spirit(Isaiah 26:4)!“YHVH IS GOD”=117; and their is “NO OTHER”!
So quit peddling 'Satan'; no one here is interested.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,12:53) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,10:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,04:20) I however do Have faith in Jesus and all believers but Ultimately my Faith is in God. Jesus told us to have Faith in God and I have Faith in what Jesus taught, is that wrong or right?
Hi BD,You don't even know what Antichrist means.
Antichrist means INSTEAD of Christ; and that is what you preach.
You preach a different Christ, one that is incompatible with Biblical teachings.
anti-
a prefix meaning “against,” “opposite of,” “antiparticle of,” used in the formation of compound words (anticline); used freely in combination with elements of any origin (antibody; antifreeze; antiknock; antilepton).You were wrong ANTI means against.
Hi BD,You preach a different Jesus that what is in the Bible.
And you are 'against' “Jesus Christ”=151 that “GOD The Father”=117 raised from the dead.
That is why you have 'antichrist'=121 'perception'=121.
Turn to the living GOD(YHVH) of the bible and you too can have “Bible Perception”=151My GOD is “THE LORD JEHOVAH”=151; because He (GOD The Father=117) provided salvation in Jesus(The Savior=117 / Isaiah 12:2),
and He also provided us everlasting strength in GOD The Father's Holy Spirit(Isaiah 26:4)!“YHVH IS GOD”=117; and their is “NO OTHER”!
So quit peddling 'Satan'; no one here is interested.
How have I peddled Satan?Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:37) How have I peddled Satan?
You peddle his false teachings.
What are Satan's false teachings? What does Satan teach?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:37) How have I peddled Satan?
You peddle his false teachings.
What are Satan's false teachings? What does Satan teach?
Satan teaches there was NO resurrection;
and GOD has NO (according to Satan) children.These are both false teachings.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,14:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:37) How have I peddled Satan?
You peddle his false teachings.
What are Satan's false teachings? What does Satan teach?
Satan teaches there was NO resurrection;
and GOD has NO (according to Satan) children.These are both false teachings.
Where in the Bible does it tell you that?Didn't devils call him son of God?
Why would Satan teach there is no ressurection?
What else does Satan teach?
Do you believe in the trinity?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:43) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,14:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:37) How have I peddled Satan?
You peddle his false teachings.
What are Satan's false teachings? What does Satan teach?
Satan teaches there was NO resurrection;
and GOD has NO (according to Satan) children.These are both false teachings.
Where in the Bible does it tell you that?Didn't devils call him son of God?
Why would Satan teach there is no ressurection?
What else does Satan teach?
Do you believe in the trinity?
Satan's teachings come from outside of the bible or have you forgotten that already?There is no (according to Satan) resurrection, he teaches this to keep you in your sins.
You know more about his(Satan's) teachings than I do.
You cannot put gods(like Satan) to GOD(YHVH)!
Deut.6:4:Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHVH) our God(Holy Spirit) is one LORD(YHVH)!GOD The Father(Holy Spirit) extracted Satan from the GODHEAD through Jesus Christ(Holy Spirit's Son)!
GOD The Father is the Holy Spirit without the 'satan' part.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,22:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:43) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,14:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:49) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:37) How have I peddled Satan?
You peddle his false teachings.
What are Satan's false teachings? What does Satan teach?
Satan teaches there was NO resurrection;
and GOD has NO (according to Satan) children.These are both false teachings.
Where in the Bible does it tell you that?Didn't devils call him son of God?
Why would Satan teach there is no ressurection?
What else does Satan teach?
Do you believe in the trinity?
Satan's teachings come from outside of the bible or have you forgotten that already?There is no (according to Satan) resurrection, he teaches this to keep you in your sins.
You know more about his(Satan's) teachings than I do.
You cannot put gods(like Satan) to GOD(YHVH)!
Deut.6:4:Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHVH) our God(Holy Spirit) is one LORD(YHVH)!GOD The Father(Holy Spirit) extracted Satan from the GODHEAD through Jesus Christ(Holy Spirit's Son)!
GOD The Father is the Holy Spirit without the 'satan' part.
So Satan was part of the Godhead?Are you saying that Jesus and Satan have something in common?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,04:22) So Satan was part of the Godhead? Are you saying that Jesus and Satan have something in common?
Hi BD,I sincerely wish you would consider what The Bible teaches is The Truth!
Violence covers your people, and it is because of Satan's teachings.
You could really help your people, once you absorb “The Truth”.Ezek.28:12-19 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus(Satan), and say unto him,
Thus saith the Lord GOD(YHVH); Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius,
topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle,
and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned:
therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub,
from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,
thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick;
therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee,
and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror(Satan is the King of terror), and never shalt thou be any more.Isaiah 14:6-20 He(Satan) who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke,
he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying ,
Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth;
it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
All they shall speak and say unto thee,
Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer(Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High(YHVH).
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:
the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.For someone who claims to know GOD, you continually show how little you really know.
Col.2:9 For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
When Jesus died, ‘Satan’ was extracted from the GODHEAD!
These things happened Jesus after he was dead. He was thrust through with a spear, and cast from the grave.
But “GOD The Father” raised “Jesus”=74 back to life; once 'Lucifer'=74 had been successfully extracted from the GODHEAD! (Gal.1:1)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,04:22) So Satan was part of the Godhead? Are you saying that Jesus and Satan have something in common?
Hi BD,I sincerely wish you would consider what The Bible teaches is The Truth!
Violence covers your people, and it is because of Satan's teachings.
You could really help your people, once you absorb “The Truth”.Ezek.28:12-19 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus(Satan), and say unto him,
Thus saith the Lord GOD(YHVH); Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius,
topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle,
and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned:
therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub,
from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,
thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:
I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick;
therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee,
and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror(Satan is the King of terror), and never shalt thou be any more.Isaiah 14:6-20 He(Satan) who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke,
he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying ,
Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth;
it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
All they shall speak and say unto thee,
Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer(Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High(YHVH).
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:
the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.For someone who claims to know GOD, you continually show how little you really know.
Col.2:9 For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
When Jesus died, ‘Satan’ was extracted from the GODHEAD!
These things happened Jesus after he was dead. He was thrust through with a spear, and cast from the grave.
But “GOD The Father” raised “Jesus”=74 back to life; once 'Lucifer'=74 had been successfully extracted from the GODHEAD! (Gal.1:1)
So, Satan was a part of the Godhead in what way?All those violent scenes in the Bible are Islamic?
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