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Hi TJ,
His words were specific to the jews when he answered questions about the Law as only the Israelites were under the OT Law.[Rom 2-3]
But then his words became the seed, planting of which in good soil anywhere brings a crop.Quote (theodorej @ July 20 2009,00:30) Quote (chosenone @ July 19 2009,08:55) Hi theo. (hope you don't mind this shortened version)
I agree with you, Judah is concidered as part of the 'house of Israel'. But during the time of Jesus and His message to them, they were under Roman rule, not in captivity.
Thanks for your input, much appreciated.Blessins.
Greetings Chosenone…..The folks who were under Roman Rule was the remnants of Judah who returned to the land to rebuild the temple…(Ezra,Daniel,etc..)after 70 years under nebuchanezzer ( the Babylonians )…The remaining tribes of the house of Israel were dispursed while in captivity with the assyrians…..Iam reasonably sure we are going to discover their indentities soon and do not be surprised if we find them among the english speaking Euro,Brit and American people…After all one only has to look at names like the Saxsons ( sons of Isaac ) Denmark ( mark of Dan ) and there are numerous references to the tribe of Dan in Irish history( Donegal,Dunsmore etc.) we might even roots to the tribe of Rueben in France…..
Hi theo.
History is not my favourite subject, but my wife is very knowledgable and loves history, she agrees with your descriptions in regards to what you posted.God Bless.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,07:37) Hi TJ,
His words were specific to the jews when he answered questions about the Law as only the Israelites were under the OT Law.[Rom 2-3]
But then his words became the seed, planting of which in good soil anywhere brings a crop.
An explanation that is not supported by scripture, truly manmade.Hi CO,
You were not in Israel at the time so did not hear his words but by the plan of God they were recorded for all and you need to respond to them to repent unto your own salvation.No magic.
LORD LORD carries no weight
NH.
I agree, they are for all, but you must believe what “HE” says, not make up your own version that has no biblical backing.Hi CO,
So you now accept that Mt 15 does not say that the words of Jesus are only for the Jews?Now you know this you are only interested in other personal issues?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 23 2009,12:19) Hi CO,
So you now accept that Mt 15 does not say that the words of Jesus are only for the Jews?Now you know this you are only interested in other personal issues?
NH.
No, I did not say that, you not only have trouble reading scripture, you now seem to have trouble reading what I have said. Like scripture, you assume what you would like to hear, and then try to twist words to accomplish this. Does this not shame you?Hi CO,
So you are still not sure if Jesus said his words were only for the Jews or not?Lets go back and see what he said again.
No mention of his WORDS in Mt 15 in my bible so recheck yours.
NH.
You sure seem to have trouble understanding scripture, did you not read my previous post? Even those that translated scripture have seen it benaficial to put Jesus words in red, in some versions. Are you blind to these obvious facts that the words of Jesus in the four gospels are in fact “His words”?
If you cannot understand what you read, then I find it of no use to continue answering your rediculous statements.Hi CO,
So nothing in Mt15.
Did you say you had others?
But Mt 15 is the thread we are in and nothing there.Hi CO,
Jesus was sent to Israel as Mt 15 tells us.
but those words still resonate throughout the world.Listen to them as they are for you too. Why rob yourself?
Hi CO,
Is irt still useful to you to offer your evil universalist doctrines here when they raise so little interest?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 24 2009,16:44) Hi CO,
Is irt still useful to you to offer your evil universalist doctrines here when they raise so little interest?
NH.
God isn't interested in a popularity contest, just His word revealed in scripture.Nick…………And what about your Doctrine of fear and trembling, against scripture that says, “For you have not recieved a Spirit of FEAR , but of love and Power and of a sound mind. And scripture that say nothing is perfected in fear, for fear has torment. and again Love cast out Fear, but you try to cast in fear. Why do you not understand these scriptures . If you understood that a person worked out His salvation when he excepted the salvation offered by GOD through the blood of Christ and once He has accepted that, he (HAS) worked out HIS Salvation, and then receives the Spirit of Love and power and a sound mind, not one of fear as you and all self willed (so-called Free will salvation people) believe. A work of (SELF) not by the Spirit of Love power and soundness of mind. Grace does not seem to be part of your salvation work, only self motivation brought on by (FEAR). All those who are moved by Fear have not worked out their salvation yet, if they had they would not be full of fear and driven by it. So Nick before i started criticizing Chosenone i would examine my own Philosophies if i were you. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Gene @ July 25 2009,02:11) Nick…………And what about your Doctrine of fear and trembling, against scripture that says, “For you have not recieved a Spirit of FEAR , but of love and Power and of a sound mind. And scripture that say nothing is perfected in fear, for fear has torment. and again Love cast out Fear, but you try to cast in fear. Why do you not understand these scriptures . If you understood that a person worked out His salvation when he excepted the salvation offered by GOD through the blood of Christ and once He has accepted that, he (HAS) worked out HIS Salvation, and then receives the Spirit of Love and power and a sound mind, not one of fear as you and all self willed (so-called Free will salvation people) believe. A work of (SELF) not by the Spirit of Love power and soundness of mind. Grace does not seem to be part of your salvation work, only self motivation brought on by (FEAR). All those who are moved by Fear have not worked out their salvation yet, if they had they would not be full of fear and driven by it. So Nick before i started criticizing Chosenone i would examine my own Philosophies if i were you. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Thanks Gene, I guess Nick has given up trying to prove that what He (Jesus) said in Matt.15:24 doesn't really mean what He said.Blessings.
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