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Hi KW,
The disciples thought they had seen a ghost when Jesus walked on the water
Why?The Living spoken of by Jesus are those alive in the Spirit-that requires spiritual understanding.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,09:39) Hi KW,
The disciples thought they had seen a ghost when Jesus walked on the water
Why?The Living spoken of by Jesus are those alive in the Spirit-that requires spiritual understanding.
Hi Nick,I don't see how these two thoughts of yours coalesce, can you elaborate?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:39) Hi KW,
The disciples thought they had seen a ghost when Jesus walked on the water
Why?The Living spoken of by Jesus are those alive in the Spirit-that requires spiritual understanding.
Nick,We know from observations that the disciples believed in ghosts. In both cases they revealed that belief they were mistaken.
Moses or Elijah were neither called ghosts or spirits on the mountain.
The souls of the three Jesus mentioned lie in the Paradise of Hades and are in some manner alive; even though their bodies are dead and dust.
Hi KW,
I agree all who are of the Spirit are alive to God.
The Spirit does not leave or forsake us even in death.The ghost comment was to stimulate discussion -who knows about them?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,08:28) Hi KW,
I agree all who are of the Spirit are alive to God.
The Spirit does not leave or forsake us even in death.The ghost comment was to stimulate discussion -who knows about them?
Nick,Ghosts are mentioned in Scripture fairly often; but for some reason translators are reluctant to translate the various Hebrew Words that mean ghosts to ghost, or shade if you want to stick to correct alternative for the Jewish word.
The New American Standard Version appears to be one of the better one in this area.
Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2012,15:42) Nick, I believe when the Word of God states Moses' grave was not found on earth then it was not found on earth.
Enoch and Elijah were not found.
Both Satan and Michael wanted possession of Moses body. This World is Satan's while Michael is of heaven.
That is a good point.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 21 2012,19:38) Kerwin……….If Jesus was not the FIRST one RAISED from the DEAD into the KINGDOM of GOD then we all have been lied to RIGHT? Being First eliminates all others Kerwin. Remember “HE IS THE firstborn of “MANY” Brethern” Now you can't be FIRST is there are already other who have Been Right? . peace and love Kerwin……………………………………………gene
Yet you make the opposite argument when it comes to “first-born of all creation”. You say that he was not literally the first-born.Are you sure you are not changing the goal posts when it suits?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,19:42) Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2012,12:42) Nick, I believe when the Word of God states Moses' grave was not found on earth then it was not found on earth.
Enoch and Elijah were not found.
Both Satan and Michael wanted possession of Moses body. This World is Satan's while Michael is of heaven.
Hi KW,
Adding assumptions to assumptions does not clarify matters.
True. But logically speaking, not all assumptions are wrong either.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 23 2012,05:35) Kerwin……….Brother cant you see that if Jesus was the firstborn from the dead into eternal life as scriptures say he was , then no other human being could have been raised from the grave before him? this is simple to understand brother. IMO
There you go again Gene. And how many times have you preached that Jesus is NOT the first to come from God because he is the first-born of all creation rather that he is first-born in privilege only.Quote (942767 @ April 23 2012,11:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,07:54) Hi 94,
A most unusual VISION if it is seen by many and where one of the participants speaks with those seen.I do not believe it was in the nature of a mirage.
Hi Nick:But Jesus said it was a “vision”, and after it, Jesus was still in his flesh and blood body.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Good point.Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2012,13:11) To all; Here are five major facts to be gleaned from Matthew 27:52-53
1) graves were opened when he died
2) many bodies of the saints which slept arose
3) And came out of the graves after his resurrection
4) and went into the holy city
5) and appeared(made report) unto many.These next facts are gleaned from the rest of Scripture
6) It is the only mention of this event.
7) There is no further mention of the risen saints.
8) There is a resurrection in continuation of the mortal life
9) There is a resurrection into eternal life.What reasonable conclusions can be derived by these and other facts gleaned from Scripture.
One way to view this is to say that the dead in Christ will rise first and then those that are alive at his coming will meet with them in the clouds.It is also written that to be departed from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Therefore, unlike before Jesus resurrection, we no longer await in the grave but are present with the Lord at the moment of death because the dead rise first as it says, “the graves were opened”.
T8………I have quoted the scripture and you try to bend it to fit you convictions. It says Jesus was the First “OF” that word “OF” means FROM as you well know, so trying to change focus to something else is not what we are talking about here . If you “TRULY apply this scripture as it is written it will bring down you house of cards brother you trust in. But instead of that you seem to change subject matter to avoid the TRUTH.
AS far as Jesus being First in Privilege i said as i recall that in the case of him saying “before” Abraham, I am” that Jesus was showing the Pharisees his preference in scriptures as well as John saying Jesus is Preferred “Before” him was also showing Jesus in Place of authority. The word Before is a word that shows (PLACE) and that can apply to something other then origins of existence as a sentinel “BEING”.
The difference between what you Preexistences do and I am doing is the word (FROM) truly means in all cases OF> While Before alway means in PLACE and can be applied either way and if you understand the context it is used with you can easily see it is referring to place in status not in time of Berth. IMO
peace and love to you and yours T8……………………………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,13:28) Hi KW,
I agree all who are of the Spirit are alive to God.
The Spirit does not leave or forsake us even in death.The ghost comment was to stimulate discussion -who knows about them?
To All…………Spirits can not DIE , Bodies DIE. No Spirit can ever DIE (IT) can only return where it was before in an ARID STATE or find a BODY to INHABIT> Just that Simple . If people understood what SPIRITS ARE they could easily understand this. The same exact Same Spirit can be in anyone all at the same time.God who is and was Spirit (WAS) and (IS) truly (IN) Jesus. The MYSTERY about SPIRITS is what clouds and Produces all kinds of speculations and inventions and imaginations of the mind like Ghosts and demon “Beings” or “PERSONS” going around jump[ing in and out of people. SPIRITS can come in to a person and also Leave Him and can produce clean or unclean behaviors in him or her, it depends of the TYPE OR KIND of Spirit influencing the mind of the person. Spirits are no sentinel being they are aspects of (INTELLECTS) that give thoughts to our minds.
If you have (IN) you the Spirit that Christ had in Him , (IT) will produce the same effect in your mind as it did (IN) His Mind becasue (IT) is the SAME SPIRIT at Work. WE need to ask for (IT, “how much more will not Your Father give them of his spirit THAT ASK>
peace and love to you all…………………………….gene
Hi GB,
you say“To All…………Spirits can not DIE , Bodies DIE. No Spirit can ever DIE (IT) can only return where it was before in an ARID STATE or find a BODY to INHABIT> Just that Simple . If people understood what SPIRITS ARE they could easily understand this.”
You describe here the behaviours of EVIL or UNCLEAN SPIRITS, the DEMONS that Jesus spoke of in lk11
” The same exact Same Spirit can be in anyone all at the same time.”
This ONLY applies to the HOLY SPIRIT.
The evil spirits are individual but under the control of Satan.Read LUKE 11
“If I cast out DEMONS..” 'When an unclean spirit goes out of a man…..then it goes and takes along SEVEN OTHER spirits more evil..”
You continue
“God who is and was Spirit (WAS) and (IS) truly (IN) Jesus. The MYSTERY about SPIRITS is what clouds and Produces all kinds of speculations and inventions and imaginations of the mind like Ghosts and demon “Beings” or “PERSONS” going around jump[ing in and out of people.”See the above SCRIPTURE and deny it if you choose
” SPIRITS can come in to a person and also Leave Him and can produce clean or unclean behaviors in him or her, it depends of the TYPE OR KIND of Spirit influencing the mind of the person. Spirits are no sentinel being they are aspects of (INTELLECTS) that give thoughts to our minds.”
NEW ADDITION TO SCRIPTURE-NO INTELLECTS FOUND THERE.
“If you have (IN) you the Spirit that Christ had in Him , (IT) will produce the same effect in your mind as it did (IN) His Mind becasue (IT) is the SAME SPIRIT at Work. WE need to ask for (IT, “how much more will not Your Father give them of his spirit THAT ASK>”
Not automatically.
We must submit our minds and our thoughts to be transformed.
But you may choose to disagree with the Master and prefer to hold onto these false teachings you espousedQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,16:29) Hi,
So there are no scriptures that say the body of Moses went to heaven.
Nick,It is a teaching derived from Scripture; which is based on circumstantial evidence found in the Bible.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,06:06) Hi KW,
You should not teach DERIVED DOCTRINE.
Teach the Word.
Nick,Derived doctrine is also part of the Word for it is written:
Proverbs 25:2
King James Version (KJV)2It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
The message of a coming Messiah is a derived doctrine.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,11:09) Hi KW,
And you think this means we can add in human wisdom willy nilly?
Nick,Not all wisdom that a human reveals is human wisdom; for it is written:
Matthew 16:17
King James Version (KJV)17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Test the Spirit
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