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Quote There is no salvation in any other name under heaven than that of Jesus so the name of a trinity cannot save you. How about a “binitarian” salvation Nick?
God is Savior
Jesus Christ is Savior
If you can have a bi-une Savior. Then why not a tri-une Savior?
thinker
Hi TT,
You just make it up as you go along?
When will you take God seriously and stop these childish games?Repent of your insults to God and let Him save you through His Son.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,11:00) Hi TT,
You just make it up as you go along?
When will you take God seriously and stop these childish games?Repent of your insults to God and let Him save you through His Son.
Nick,You said that a trinity cannot save you. But a binity can and did save you. The Father is Savior and Jesus Christ is Savior. This is a binity. Right?
So answer my question. If a binity can save you then why not a trinity?
thinker
Thinker………It is (ONE) GOD IN (ALL) including JESUS and Through (ALL) Including JESUS, and that is exactly the SAME of ALL who are CALLED and Chosen BY that (ONE) GOD , THE FATHER of (ALL) Things that exist, rather in Heaven or earth. WE who believe Have (ONLY) ONE TRUE GOD as Jesus the(MAN) SAID. We are not Idolaters making other GOD”S as TRINITARIANS DO , We have (ONE) GOD ONLY> And (NO) other GOD.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 27 2010,13:47) Thinker………It is (ONE) GOD IN (ALL) including JESUS and Through (ALL) Including JESUS, and that is exactly the SAME of ALL who are CALLED and Chosen BY that (ONE) GOD , THE FATHER of (ALL) Things that exist, rather in Heaven or earth. WE who believe Have (ONLY) ONE TRUE GOD as Jesus the(MAN) SAID. We are not Idolaters making other GOD”S as TRINITARIANS DO , We have (ONE) GOD ONLY> And (NO) other GOD.
GeneYou do undestand that you cannot know God the Father without knowing Jesus don't you?
Think about what that means!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 28 2010,05:55) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 27 2010,13:47) Thinker………It is (ONE) GOD IN (ALL) including JESUS and Through (ALL) Including JESUS, and that is exactly the SAME of ALL who are CALLED and Chosen BY that (ONE) GOD , THE FATHER of (ALL) Things that exist, rather in Heaven or earth. WE who believe Have (ONLY) ONE TRUE GOD as Jesus the(MAN) SAID. We are not Idolaters making other GOD”S as TRINITARIANS DO , We have (ONE) GOD ONLY> And (NO) other GOD.
GeneYou do undestand that you cannot know God the Father without knowing Jesus don't you?
Think about what that means!
WJ
Keith,Gene cannot know the Father unless the Son reveals the Father to him.
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Matthew 11:27
To know the Father is the greatest gift. The Son gives the greatest gift. But Gene responds by kicking the Son in the teeth.
thinker
Quote (david @ Feb. 25 2010,18:18) I've decided to do the opposite of what “thinker” is doing. Exodus 32:35 (King James Version)
“And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”Exodus 32:35 (Young's Literal Translation)
“And Jehovah plagueth the people, because they made the calf which Aaron made.”Major Premise: “The people…they made the calf.”
Minor Premise: “Aaron made” the calf.
Conclusion: Aaron is the people, and hence some sort of trinity like being.Of course this is a joke. But it sounds like the jokes that Thinker has been trying to play on us.
David, we used to have J.W. coming to our door and Georg did leave them in. One told us about the preexisting of Jesus and we did learn of that. However you and other Churches do keep the Sabbath and that is not our covenant at all.
Exodus 34:27……I have made a covenant with You(Moses) and with Israel.
verse 28 ……and He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant the Ten Commandment.
Exodus 31:16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observe the Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.
verse 17 IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER…….We however are under the New Covenant in
Luke 22:20….”This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.Math. 22:37 ….You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, and with all of your mind.
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 “And the second is like it:” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse40 “On these two commandments hang all of the Law and the prophets.”
Also Jesus magnified the Law, and we keep it in the Spirit of the Law and not in the letter of the Law.However what is so difference between the new and the old. The Sabbath. We as Gentiles were never under that covenant. And the Jewish people still keep the Old. And I know a lady who keeps both the New and the Old. No, No, No.
That is not possible.IMO
Peace and Love Irene
Thinker….Again changing Scriptures. My bibles says, Jesus Said “NO MAN (CAN )COME UNTO (ME) (JESUS) UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW (DRAG) HIM”. NOW SO MUCH FOR YOU NON SCRIPTURAL RENDITIONS OF WHAT JESUS WAS SAYING> See we do not have to change or force the text any to try to make Our understanding fit what is said, as the false teachings of the Trinitarians, They always have to force the texts to fit their false teachings. Jesus tried to reveal GOD the FATHER to all He spoke to , but ONLY those who the FATHER opened Up their Minds could comprehend what He was saying that is even true today. DO YOU NEED SCRIPTURE FOR THAT, I CAN GIVE THEN TO YOU WITHOUT CHANGING ANY OF IT. That is why You TRINITARIANS can't understand scriptures and have to force texts to meet you dogmas. YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCEPT THE SIMPLE SCRIPTURE OF JESUS MUCH LESS THE DIFFICULT ONES. Sart with this “FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. START THERE AND DON'T CHANGE IT TO MEET YOU DOGMAS. IMO
gene
you got it in reverse ,because you believe in determinism, so you don't have the true meaning ,you have broken the scriptures in favor of your dogma.
Thinker….Again changing Scriptures. My bibles says, Jesus Said “NO MAN (CAN )COME UNTO (ME) (JESUS) UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW (DRAG) HIM”. NOW SO MUCH FOR YOU NON SCRIPTURAL RENDITIONS OF WHAT JESUS WAS SAYING> See we do not have to change or force the text any to try to make Our understanding fit what is said, as the
you see Gene ,if you believe in freewill like most of us does it is because our understanding of Gods way that we are attracted to Gos and chose to do his will.and take full advantage of the grace of God.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 28 2010,07:29) Thinker….Again changing Scriptures. My bibles says, Jesus Said “NO MAN (CAN )COME UNTO (ME) (JESUS) UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW (DRAG) HIM”. NOW SO MUCH FOR YOU NON SCRIPTURAL RENDITIONS OF WHAT JESUS WAS SAYING> See we do not have to change or force the text any to try to make Our understanding fit what is said, as the false teachings of the Trinitarians, They always have to force the texts to fit their false teachings. Jesus tried to reveal GOD the FATHER to all He spoke to , but ONLY those who the FATHER opened Up their Minds could comprehend what He was saying that is even true today. DO YOU NEED SCRIPTURE FOR THAT, I CAN GIVE THEN TO YOU WITHOUT CHANGING ANY OF IT. That is why You TRINITARIANS can't understand scriptures and have to force texts to meet you dogmas. YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCEPT THE SIMPLE SCRIPTURE OF JESUS MUCH LESS THE DIFFICULT ONES. Sart with this “FOR THOU ARE THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. START THERE AND DON'T CHANGE IT TO MEET YOU DOGMAS. IMO
Gene,What do you mean I am changing the scriptures? The John 6:44 scripture about the Father drawing men to the Son does not contradict the Matthew 11:27 scripture. Each scripture is speaking about something different.
The John scripture says that the Father draws men to the Son. The Matthew scripture says that the Son reveals the Father.
So what's the problem?
thinker
terraricca said:
Quote Thinker….Again changing Scriptures. My bibles says, Jesus Said “NO MAN (CAN )COME UNTO (ME) (JESUS) UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW (DRAG) HIM”. NOW SO MUCH FOR YOU NON SCRIPTURAL RENDITIONS OF WHAT JESUS WAS SAYING>
t,You didn't read my post carefully. I didn't quote the verse you mentioned. I quoted a totally different verse. See my post to Gene immediately above.
It is clear that you guys have a reading comprehension problem in general. This is why you misread the scriptures and misread people's posts.
thinker
Thinker ………So who is it the is the start of our salvation process is it Jesus or GOD the FATHER as HE said it was.
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,11:00) Hi TT,
You just make it up as you go along?
When will you take God seriously and stop these childish games?Repent of your insults to God and let Him save you through His Son.
Nick,You said that a trinity cannot save you. But a binity can and did save you. The Father is Savior and Jesus Christ is Savior. This is a binity. Right?
So answer my question. If a binity can save you then why not a trinity?
thinker
Hi TT,
You know neither or God nor His Son.You are so busy vainly developing theories about God you miss the entire point of scripture.
Hi TT,
God did not send a trinity to save you so why search there?
Is it not better to follow the way that God designed than your vain thoughts?
There is salvation in no other name under heaven than in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,11:19) Hi TT,
God did not send a trinity to save you so why search there?
Is it not better to follow the way that God designed than your vain thoughts?
There is salvation in no other name under heaven than in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Nick,Of course God did not send the trinity. He sent His Son. Then His Son sent the Spirit. The Father did not come at all and the Son and the Spirit both came but at different times.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2010,11:17) Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 28 2010,05:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,11:00) Hi TT,
You just make it up as you go along?
When will you take God seriously and stop these childish games?Repent of your insults to God and let Him save you through His Son.
Nick,You said that a trinity cannot save you. But a binity can and did save you. The Father is Savior and Jesus Christ is Savior. This is a binity. Right?
So answer my question. If a binity can save you then why not a trinity?
thinker
Hi TT,
You know neither or God nor His Son.You are so busy vainly developing theories about God you miss the entire point of scripture.
So the Father and the Son are not the Savior? The scripture declares that they are.thinker
Hi TT,
Why play silly games?
You know the truth that God works through His son but prefer catholic theology?Quote (david @ Feb. 26 2010,10:04) Quote Major premise: God alone is the Testator
Minor premise: Jesus is the Testator
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God–thinker
Major premise: The People made the Calf
Minor premise: Aaron made the Calf
Conclusion: Therefore, Aaron is the PeopleQuote Second, you did not construct a valid syllogism. The noun “the people” is not in your minor premise. Our wording is identical. Did you construct a valid syllogism?
Thinker.You continue to say my logic is not correct.
But you ignored this post, and refuse to explain what the difference is between what I said and what you said.
You say that the noun “people” is not in my minor premise. Well the noun “god” is not in yours, unless you say Jesus is God, but that's what you're trying to prove, and using circular reasoning inside of a syllogism seems ironic and just wrong.
Quote David, Who else is called “the Savior.” Only God and Jesus are called “THE Savior.”
And who else is a Savior that owns us as His own people?
Who else is called “the Savior”? Please go read my “title confusion trick–savior” thread.
Secondly, I had thought that your argument was:
1. Jesus is called Savior. Jehovah is called Savior. Hence, they're the same being.Apparently, your argument is:
They're both called “savior” AND they are both said to own us.Apparently, them being called “savior” PROVES NOTHING IN ITSELF!
This was my argument all along. Thank you for confirming my argument.
The fact that both are called “lord” or “king” or “savior” etc proves nothing IN ITSELF if many others are also called by the same word, (unless you are willing to concede that they are also part of the same group).
Just as sharp has his rule, I'm going to call the above “David's logic rule.” I think it's quite evident. But some have difficulty with it. I really don't see how it can't be obvious and evident.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 26 2010,10:00) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2010,16:03) WJ your question is embigious ,but the reason i have said what i have about TT is fighting ogainst what is bible truth ,this is not right ,if you have a faith in God you cannot split his word in two or four parts
wen you play a game you answer or questioning things but you do not respond to your fellow men s question honestly with good scriptures,this is not right,he as been ask many time to give his views of faith,but he does not answer why???
look you respond to what I have written,why did he not do it ,
your question is a twisted nail,so could answer me if it is not enough only to believe in Jesus as the Son of God and in his death, burial and resurrection,I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR OWN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION;
THANK WJ
TYour answer is circular because the same can be said of you.
You also fight and resist the truths in the scriptures supporting the Trinitarian views and do not always answer the questions put to you.
It is one thing to say a man is wrong and teaching wrongly, but to say that that man who believes in the basic tenets of the Faith like the death and burial and resurection of Jesus as well as believing he is the Son of God, to say he does not know God is wrong and you find yourself becoming a judge over a mans heart.
Blessings WJ
WJyou know that God the father made christ do you
?out of himself
in your opinion and knowledge is this true???
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