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I've decided to do the opposite of what “thinker” is doing.
Exodus 32:35 (King James Version)
“And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”Exodus 32:35 (Young's Literal Translation)
“And Jehovah plagueth the people, because they made the calf which Aaron made.”Major Premise: “The people…they made the calf.”
Minor Premise: “Aaron made” the calf.
Conclusion: Aaron is the people, and hence some sort of trinity like being.Of course this is a joke. But it sounds like the jokes that Thinker has been trying to play on us.
david
thethinker,is not a believer ,because if eh would bre one he would consider what he says, with the godly love what he does not ,his quotes are prove of that.
and because of it, you will not win, but he will find a way to use your comments for his own benefit,and this would have a result of having yourselve unabling to respond in truth.
this is my thinking anyway.
Quote (david @ Feb. 25 2010,18:18) I've decided to do the opposite of what “thinker” is doing. Exodus 32:35 (King James Version)
“And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.”Exodus 32:35 (Young's Literal Translation)
“And Jehovah plagueth the people, because they made the calf which Aaron made.”Major Premise: “The people…they made the calf.”
Minor Premise: “Aaron made” the calf.
Conclusion: Aaron is the people, and hence some sort of trinity like being.Of course this is a joke. But it sounds like the jokes that Thinker has been trying to play on us.
David,You're desperate aren't you? First, the form of the first use of “made” refers to their ethical act with the golden calf. The form of the second use of the word “made” has to do with the actual making of the golden calf. The online Hebrew-English Interlinear brings this out.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo32.pdf
English translations which agree with the Interlinear:
“And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.” NIV
“Then the LORD smote the people, because of what they did with the calf which Aaron had made.” NASB
“the LORD punished the people of Israel with a terrible disease for talking Aaron into making the gold idol.” CEV
“And the LORD inflicted a plague on the people for what they did with the calf Aaron had made.” Holman Bible
Second, you did not construct a valid syllogism. The noun “the people” is not in your minor premise. The noun must appear in both premises for it to be a valid syllogism. For instance:
Major premise: The people made the calf
Minor premise: Aaron was one of the people
Conclusion: Therefore, Aaron made the calfMy logical syllogisms are all written correctly. The noun “the Savior” occurs in both of my premises. For instance:
Major premise: God alone is the Savior.
Minor premise: Jesus Christ is the Savior.
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus Christ is GodYou're desperate David!
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2010,02:38) david thethinker,is not a believer ,because if eh would bre one he would consider what he says, with the godly love what he does not ,his quotes are prove of that.
and because of it, you will not win, but he will find a way to use your comments for his own benefit,and this would have a result of having yourselve unabling to respond in truth.
this is my thinking anyway.
TWhat is a believer to you?
Jack believers in Jesus as the Son of God and in his death, burial and resurrection. What more must he believe?
You have no right to say, nor do you know that Jack does not have a relationship with God!
Blessings WJ
David,
This is my second reply. See my first reply above.
PLEASE EXPLAIN THE JW's INCONSISTENT TREATMENT OF THE FOLLOWING:
Isaiah 44:6: Besides me there is no God.”
Isaiah 43:11: Besides Me there is no Savior.”
How is it that when Jehovah says that there is no God besides Him you guard His solidarity as God. But when He says that there is no Savior besides Him you do not guard His solidarity as Savior?
thinker
Hi TT,
Why not listen to scripture and learn from it instead of these intellectual and philosophical games?Nick……..Learning is an intellectual experience , that is what teaching is all about. Rather it is by man or GOD, it still is transferring of intellect (or Spirit) by words. If you would believe what Jesus said about The Word he spoke, you would not have all the phobias about Logic and Intellects and Philosophical games . The Spirit of Truth is an INTELLECT given to us by GOD HIMSELF. Think about it NICK>
love and peace to you amd yours……………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 26 2010,07:21) Nick……..Learning is an intellectual experience , that is what teaching is all about. Rather it is by man or GOD, it still is transferring of intellect (or Spirit) by words. If you would believe what Jesus said about The Word he spoke, you would not have all the phobias about Logic and Intellects and Philosophical games . The Spirit of Truth is an INTELLECT given to us by GOD HIMSELF. Think about it NICK> love and peace to you amd yours……………gene
Gene,We agree on something. How about that? Nick uses logic and inference all the time.
thinker
G,
Intellect is only to do with grasping and storing knowledge and understanding.
It can be just of earthly and visible things and limited by our vision.
But wisdom is more important.We do not serve a cold intellectual god but a God of love and wisdom.
WJ
your question is embigious ,but the reason i have said what i have about TT is fighting ogainst what is bible truth ,this is not right ,if you have a faith in God you cannot split his word in two or four parts
wen you play a game you answer or questioning things but you do not respond to your fellow men s question honestly with good scriptures,this is not right,he as been ask many time to give his views of faith,but he does not answer why???
look you respond to what I have written,why did he not do it ,
your question is a twisted nail,so could answer me if it is not enough only to believe in Jesus as the Son of God and in his death, burial and resurrection,I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR OWN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION;
THANK WJ
terraricca said:
Quote if you have a faith in God you cannot split his word in two or four parts t,
I think the same about you. If you believe in God then you will accept His WHOLE word. But you anti-trinitairans pick and choose what you believe. Trinitarians believe EVERYTHING the Bible says.
Jesus said, “Believe in God, believe ALSO in Me.” Anti-trinitarians take the first part of the statement but they dump the second part.
12 Honor the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. Psalm 2:8thinker
p.s. And the Bible is divided into parts. You are not a part of old covenant Israel and the laws that applied to them do not apply to you or anyone today.
thinker
TT
this is your comment;
Trinitarians believe EVERYTHING the Bible says.TT believing everything the bible says,any body can do ,provided you can read,
to understand it this is were separation comes in,
TRINITARIANS STAY IN THE BOOK WORDS AND GRAMMAR,ECTWHILE THE TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON OF GOD JESUS CHRIST.
WE MAY NEVER MEET
Quote Isaiah 44:6: Besides me there is no God.” Isaiah 43:11: Besides Me there is no Savior.”
How is it that when Jehovah says that there is no God besides Him you guard His solidarity as God. But when He says that there is no Savior besides Him you do not guard His solidarity as Savior?
Jehovah, Jesus and others are referred to by the word “god.”
Jehovah, Jesus and others are referred to by the word “savior.”Since we are always discussing the very subject of “God” it does tend to come up much more than the use of the word “savior.” Only with you and this series of title confusion tricks, do these other subjects come up. I do hold that without Jehovah, there can be no other saviors. If anyone else saves, it is because he allowed it. He is the ultimate Savior. But that's always pushed into the background, and when people speak of “savior” it is always assumed to be Christ despite both being called savior roughly an equal number of times. But Jehovah is called God at least a 1000 more times than Christ is. I like math.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2010,07:50) G,
Intellect is only to do with grasping and storing knowledge and understanding.
It can be just of earthly and visible things and limited by our vision.
But wisdom is more important.We do not serve a cold intellectual god but a God of love and wisdom.
Nick…….I agree with that , but Intellect does (NOT) have to be cold and Just earthly and visible things, limited by our vision, It can be of GOD , It can be Wisdom it self and Love it self , Intellect is the (ABILITY) to (COMPREHEND) things of GOD or Man. I don't know where you got that ideology from Nick.peace and love………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2010,16:03) WJ your question is embigious ,but the reason i have said what i have about TT is fighting ogainst what is bible truth ,this is not right ,if you have a faith in God you cannot split his word in two or four parts
wen you play a game you answer or questioning things but you do not respond to your fellow men s question honestly with good scriptures,this is not right,he as been ask many time to give his views of faith,but he does not answer why???
look you respond to what I have written,why did he not do it ,
your question is a twisted nail,so could answer me if it is not enough only to believe in Jesus as the Son of God and in his death, burial and resurrection,I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR OWN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION;
THANK WJ
TYour answer is circular because the same can be said of you.
You also fight and resist the truths in the scriptures supporting the Trinitarian views and do not always answer the questions put to you.
It is one thing to say a man is wrong and teaching wrongly, but to say that that man who believes in the basic tenets of the Faith like the death and burial and resurection of Jesus as well as believing he is the Son of God, to say he does not know God is wrong and you find yourself becoming a judge over a mans heart.
Blessings WJ
Quote Major premise: God alone is the Testator
Minor premise: Jesus is the Testator
Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God–thinker
Major premise: The People made the Calf
Minor premise: Aaron made the Calf
Conclusion: Therefore, Aaron is the PeopleQuote Second, you did not construct a valid syllogism. The noun “the people” is not in your minor premise. Our wording is identical. Did you construct a valid syllogism?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 26 2010,06:57) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2010,02:38) david thethinker,is not a believer ,because if eh would bre one he would consider what he says, with the godly love what he does not ,his quotes are prove of that.
and because of it, you will not win, but he will find a way to use your comments for his own benefit,and this would have a result of having yourselve unabling to respond in truth.
this is my thinking anyway.
TWhat is a believer to you?
Jack believers in Jesus as the Son of God and in his death, burial and resurrection. What more must he believe?
You have no right to say, nor do you know that Jack does not have a relationship with God!
Blessings WJ
WJI would say that, because of what Jesus said.
Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.If you don't believe the truth, you don't have the truth; if you don't have the truth, you worship in vain.
Georg
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