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- June 17, 2015 at 3:43 pm#799756MiiaParticipant
David, I was not in a literal prison. I said I was in “my own prison” for 18 years (meaning: living in a hard/ difficult situation)
June 17, 2015 at 3:52 pm#799757MiiaParticipantYou asked me to describe what I meant by “I felt the power of God”…..
It’s hard to describe.
It’s feeling overcome with, example, compassion…. And feeling the power in my heart from above to change something.
June 17, 2015 at 3:56 pm#799758davidParticipantI would call that empathy. A feeling of empathy?
June 17, 2015 at 4:10 pm#799759MiiaParticipantDavid,
What about small miracles, things that may seem insignificant to anyone but the receiver (until a later time when the fruit of each small miracle leading somewhere are manifest). Might not make sense but, don’t have time to explain right now.
June 17, 2015 at 4:11 pm#799760MiiaParticipantDavid, yes empathy but with power to change something?
June 17, 2015 at 4:11 pm#799761davidParticipantNick
sometimes on the news you hear stories of a man being beaten up or a girl attacked or some thing and there is a large crowd of bystanders around who do nothing.
This is because of the bystander effect. The plurality of ignorance and the diffusion of responsibility create this effect. Individuals might step in but in a crowd, not as easy.
If God doesn’t always step in, in the case of the girl being raped for 24 years for example, if God doesn’t step in, then it seems the moral thing to do is not step in. But rather to just hear her cries and watch or turn away. We are to imitate God.
I’m using extreme examples here but there are so many and I am sure if we want to know what God is or isn’t doing we have to look at the whole and not just pick out what helps us sleep at night or makes us feel good or special
From my point of view, being that rape is wrong and causes pain and suffering, I would find it immoral not to step in. And understanding mob mentality and crowd psychology, I think I would quickly understand the situation and be able to recruit 2 others, and suggest a course of action, and the mob would then turn on the attacker.
The good Samaritan principle strongly suggests we should step in and help
the golden rule says we should as well
June 17, 2015 at 4:20 pm#799762NickHassanParticipantHi david,
Do you think it is safe to mock and judge God?
Why did you become so embittered and angry?
June 17, 2015 at 4:22 pm#799763NickHassanParticipantHi david,
The world was full of illness, blindness and demonic behaviours when Jesus arrived.
Did Jesus blame God or do something about it?
Should we not follow the Son?
June 17, 2015 at 4:27 pm#799764NickHassanParticipantHi david,
You really need to decide whether or not you believe in God and His Son.
If you do not then perhaps keep it to yourself.
If you do then take care.
June 17, 2015 at 4:38 pm#799765NickHassanParticipantHi david
1Tim 1.19
“..keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith”
Following religious doctrines which deny the power of God is likely to blind you to His work.
June 17, 2015 at 5:43 pm#799766davidParticipant“Hi david,
The world was full of illness, blindness and demonic behaviours when Jesus arrived.
Did Jesus blame God or do something about it?
Should we not follow the Son?”
And which illnesses did Jesus choose to act a miracle on? And which did he do nothing? Were not “all” healed who were brought to him. I am not here saying anything of the past but only asking why anyone who is good at thinking, or who uses critical thinking and values real evidence believes God is enacting miracles today.
For prayer we know the many miracles never come about and prayers go unanswered
i know that many things people consider miracles would have happened with or without gods help.
And I am having excessive difficulty finding real genuine miracles like in bible times.
June 17, 2015 at 6:55 pm#799767NickHassanParticipantHi David,
God looks after his family .
Have you been reborn into the Son yet?
June 17, 2015 at 7:15 pm#799768NickHassanParticipantHi David,
Do you think God did miracles through Jesus and the apostles and prophets
or can you rationalise away all those too?
If God did then why did they largely cease since that time?
Jesus Christ showed it is according to faith.
He wondered if there would be faith on earth when he returned.
Perhaps faith has changed to being only in the thoughts of men, human leadership, human religion and other deceits?
June 17, 2015 at 7:19 pm#799769kerwinParticipantDavid,
John the Baptist did no miracles and yet he was the Jesus’ herald.June 18, 2015 at 11:03 am#799804NickHassanParticipantHi david,
If you were God would you have stopped Adam from following his wife and stopped Cain murdering Abel?
But of course you are not and we all know that.
June 18, 2015 at 12:04 pm#799807davidParticipantHi nick.
I’m not god. I would have prevented Abel from being murdered if I could have. And if you were Abel, I presume you would be happy about that.
June 18, 2015 at 1:11 pm#799809NickHassanParticipantHi David,
No but since you want to judge God perhaps you think you are even greater than Him?
June 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm#799810NickHassanParticipantHi david,
I do not understand how your path could have ended in this foolishness.
Repent
June 18, 2015 at 2:34 pm#799824kerwinParticipantDavid,
God is not a controlling God. If God wanted to make Cain a puppet then he could have but instead he chose to let Cain’s heart be tested. He could have chosen for Abel to return to life but instead he chose that Abel’s mortal life was over and his life would only return on Judgement Day.
Since we are told that Abel is righteous he will inherit eternal life and the physical pain that Cain inflicted on him will become a distant memory. Jesus told us not fear those that live by the flesh as they can only destroy our body but fear God that can destroy both our bodies and souls in the Lake of Fire.
June 18, 2015 at 3:39 pm#799833davidParticipant“No but since you want to judge God perhaps you think you are even greater than Him?”–nick
I only think that if I knew you were going to be killed by Cain, I would have prevented that if it was in my power.
God would have let you die Nick.
I guess it depends how you define morality, and perhaps you should define it for me, but if person 1 just watches a good person being killed while person 2 tries to stop a good person from being killed, I would assume the one that tried to prevent your death was the more moral of the two.
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