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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 05 2012,09:31) Hi Marlin, So Jesus was 100% not God and 100% God then – right??
God bless
Ed J
Hi Marlin,Yes or no?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2012,14:17) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 03 2012,13:50) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2012,08:30)
Hi Pierre,The lineage in Matthew is Joesph's, which is NOT APPLICABLE to Christ.
The lineage in Luke is Mary's, which is “IS” APPLICABLE to Christ.God bless
Ed J
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Hi Pierre,“Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made
of the seed of David according to the flesh;” (Romans 1:3)“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David” (2 Tim 2:8)
bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Hi EdPierre spelt your name incorrectly, why don't you tell him off?
Or is that rule just for me?
Hi Georgie,
Give him some time, and he will start purposefully start misspelling your name too. (Link)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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Quote Hi Ed Pierre spelt your name incorrectly, why don't you tell him off?
Or is that rule just for me?Edj knows i am old and confused ,don't speak or write English properly ,but I still love him ,and you too
Quote Marlin1……….Scripture say Sin entered into the world through Adam No where does it say we are born sinners in scripture Maybe i misse seening it if Please post it to me. John said this about all that is in the World…..> All that is in the World , the Lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life are from the world. But no where did he or Jesus or God say we are “BORN” Sinners, if that were the case how could God hold us accountable for our Sin , if we are born sinners. That would be unjust of God to impute Sin to us if we are born that way. Get my point brother.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Hi Brother Gene,
For all have sinned is what scripture says. Rom 3:23, So everyone is a sinner, from when?
Paul tells us that the spirit wars against the flesh.Psalm 58:3 says we are born speaking lies.
Psalm 51:5 says we are shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin.This flesh that we are in, has to perish, for it is owned by satan as soon as we are born.
The Spirit in us, gives us the ability to resist our sinful flesh.Those that are His, as soon as we shed this flesh (we won't get this fallen flesh back), we have a glorified body waiting for us.
Jesus body didn't perish, He died and was raised again in His glorified body. He still had nail holes and He did eat and drink. His Flesh and His alone was not fallen flesh.
God is not unjust, He didn't cause the fall of man. He doesn't even impute sin on a person, until the age of accountability. And then He gives a way out, to those that will hear.
God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 13 2012,06:15) Quote Marlin1……….Scripture say Sin entered into the world through Adam No where does it say we are born sinners in scripture Maybe i misse seening it if Please post it to me. John said this about all that is in the World…..> All that is in the World , the Lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life are from the world. But no where did he or Jesus or God say we are “BORN” Sinners, if that were the case how could God hold us accountable for our Sin , if we are born sinners. That would be unjust of God to impute Sin to us if we are born that way. Get my point brother.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Hi Brother Gene,
For all have sinned is what scripture says. Rom 3:23, So everyone is a sinner, from when?
Paul tells us that the spirit wars against the flesh.Psalm 58:3 says we are born speaking lies.
Psalm 51:5 says we are shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin.This flesh that we are in, has to perish, for it is owned by satan as soon as we are born.
The Spirit in us, gives us the ability to resist our sinful flesh.Those that are His, as soon as we shed this flesh (we won't get this fallen flesh back), we have a glorified body waiting for us.
Jesus body didn't perish, He died and was raised again in His glorified body. He still had nail holes and He did eat and drink. His Flesh and His alone was not fallen flesh.
God is not unjust, He didn't cause the fall of man. He doesn't even impute sin on a person, until the age of accountability. And then He gives a way out, to those that will hear.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
m1you are totally confused in your believes ,to much religion doctrines ;
why you give yourself a reborn spirit ;like dropping all the things you have learn and start anew but this time only the word of God and the spirit of Christ ,it is amazing the thing you can learn in scriptures that way ,
Brother Pierre,
Thank you my brother, that is what they told Jesus too.
You must be born again, by the Spirit living in you to understand.God Bless
bro. MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 13 2012,11:15) Quote Marlin1……….Scripture say Sin entered into the world through Adam No where does it say we are born sinners in scripture Maybe i misse seening it if Please post it to me. John said this about all that is in the World…..> All that is in the World , the Lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life are from the world. But no where did he or Jesus or God say we are “BORN” Sinners, if that were the case how could God hold us accountable for our Sin , if we are born sinners. That would be unjust of God to impute Sin to us if we are born that way. Get my point brother.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Hi Brother Gene,
For all have sinned is what scripture says. Rom 3:23, So everyone is a sinner, from when?
Paul tells us that the spirit wars against the flesh.Psalm 58:3 says we are born speaking lies.
Psalm 51:5 says we are shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin.This flesh that we are in, has to perish, for it is owned by satan as soon as we are born.
The Spirit in us, gives us the ability to resist our sinful flesh.Those that are His, as soon as we shed this flesh (we won't get this fallen flesh back), we have a glorified body waiting for us.
Jesus body didn't perish, He died and was raised again in His glorified body. He still had nail holes and He did eat and drink. His Flesh and His alone was not fallen flesh.
God is not unjust, He didn't cause the fall of man. He doesn't even impute sin on a person, until the age of accountability. And then He gives a way out, to those that will hear.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
MarlinL………..While the Wicked may be born with a propensity for wickedness, as all men and women are, i still believe Sin is a Learned Behavior. Sin can be more pronounced in some then others even from berth. I do agree with that also. Because God said “Esau have i Hated and Jacob have i loved ” even before they were born.The nature of a Child does seem to have and effect even before berth and after also. But if God creates a Wicked Person is that Person regarded as a Sinner because he was created that way?.
When God told Cain that sin lied at his Door and he must master it , Was that before he sinned or after he sinned, He had not yet Killed Able his brother, God also told him if he did well he would be excepted rigth?
Sin is to Miss the Mark of the high calling of GOD, which we have all come short of. But if we were all born missing the Mark (sinners) by the Providence of GOD, then GOD is the ultimate responsible person for Sin. Not the person born that way Get my Point?
God has concluded “ALL” under Sin that he may Have Mercy on ALL”. So that mercy covers “ALL” both the Wicked and the non Wicked seeing as you say “ALL” are born SINNERS. I have not found a Scripture that “SPECIFICALLY” says that we are born sinners though. That is why i conclude at this time, like John, that What causes us to sin comes from the Wolrd. I could be wrong though because i do know the the propensity to sin is there already after berth. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote Sin is a Learned Behavior. Sin can be more pronounced in some then others even from berth. I do agree with that also. So according to you (Sin is a learned behavior) and that there is a time in which we are not sinners.
Please show your scripture that says we are born PURE.Quote Because God said “Esau have i Hated and Jacob have i loved ” even before they were born.
Yet Jacob was still a sinner, wasn't he?
Just give me one example, besides Jesus, of someone without sin.Quote if God creates a Wicked Person is that Person regarded as a Sinner because he was created that way?. Of Course He is.
You would want to be careful here, Can the clay say to the potter, why did you make me thus. Can a righteous God destroy the world full of sin with water, Babies and all. ALL, means ALL, because of the first sin, All had become evil. And He is fixing to do it again, with FIRE.Quote When God told Cain that sin lied at his Door and he must master it , Was that before he sinned or after he sinned, He had not yet Killed Able his brother, God also told him if he did well he would be excepted rigth?
Cain built an altar, worshiped God and God didn't accept his sacrifice. God was giving him a space of time to repent and do his sacrifice correctly and instead he kill his brother, because he was of the wicked one.Quote Sin is to Miss the Mark of the high calling of GOD, which we have all come short of. But if we were all born missing the Mark (sinners) by the Providence of GOD, then GOD is the ultimate responsible person for Sin. Not the person born that way Get my Point? In this point, you are correct and God is ultimately responsible for everything. ISAIAH 45:7 † I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
God made us with Free Will, Totally Free Choice. We can follow our sinful nature that is in our flesh or we can follow the Spirit.
Quote God has concluded “ALL” under Sin that he may Have Mercy on ALL”. So that mercy covers “ALL” both the Wicked and the non Wicked seeing as you say “ALL” are born SINNERS. I have not found a Scripture that “SPECIFICALLY” says that we are born sinners though. That is why i conclude at this time, like John, that What causes us to sin comes from the Wolrd. I could be wrong though because i do know the the propensity to sin is there already after berth. IMO
And you see, that is the Free Choice that I spoke of above. God will not force anyone to believe anything. And only by our letting Him take control of our lives(by the spirit), will we be able to receive the truth. And that is exactly what He meant when He said we have to be born again.Paul says, the flesh wars against the spirit. We are born with our flesh, flesh doesn't learn.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1……….Show me a scripture that says “man has a free will” I have not yet seen it. All wills are Driven by a person desires and that, as you say, those desires are to sin, by way of Creation, being made a sinner , then how could man desire anything else but to sin. and why would God have told Cain to Master what he could not have Mastered, and Was Able born a sinner also because God excepted his Sacrifice, right. Was Adam and Eve Created Sinners?, Look i am not completely disagreeing with you, I do believe God ultimately takes responsibility for all things and that includes sin. Because he created it All, and is Sovereign as you quoted in Issiah.
I believe as stated in Enoch that there is a Propencity to sin in all of us though, we do agree on that .
peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
Quote Marlin1……….Show me a scripture that says “man has a free will” I have not yet seen it. All wills are Driven by a person desires and that, as you say, those desires are to sin, by way of Creation, being made a sinner , then how could man desire anything else but to sin. and why would God have told Cain to Master what he could not have Mastered, and Was Able born a sinner also because God excepted his Sacrifice, right. Was Adam and Eve Created Sinners?, Look i am not completely disagreeing with you, I do believe God ultimately takes responsibility for all things and that includes sin. Because he created it All, and is Sovereign as you quoted in Issiah. I believe as stated in Enoch that there is a Propencity to sin in all of us though, we do agree on that .
peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
Brother Gene,
You make a couple of good points here.
Quote as you say, those desires are to sin, by way of Creation, being made a sinner , then how could man desire anything else but to sin. I believe Adam was created a perfect son of God in the original creation. Eve came from Adam, God new that Adam could not be deceived. He also knew that Adam would not let his wife die for her sin, so he willingly accepted it.
So after the first sin, Cain had mixed blood and Able had pure blood. So now we have on the earth, sons and daughters of man and sons and daughters of God. Over Gen 6, we see the sons of God married the daughters of man. So all of us on this side of the flood have mixed blood (our whole being). We have the animal side( fear, hate) and it wars against the God side (Faith, LOVE). We have a choice of which one we feed, just as Cain had a choice.
LUKE 18:22 † Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23 † And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
You see here that Jesus gave the man a choice and by his free will, he could chose to follow or not to follow Jesus.
JOHN 3:16 † For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Believing or not believing is free will in action.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1…..Jesus said no man can come unto Me unless the Father DRAW (greek drag) Him. So to me that means that we do not have within ourselves the power to Chosse by our will to go to Jesus.
Another point i would like to bring out Here is that Jesus was basicely saying the rich man simply did not have the faith to make that choice to follow him. But afterwords said to his apostle all theing are possible with God.
Another Point is that it says God gives to every man a Mesaure of FAITH Now if God gave a little Faith to someone, how could he by a self “FREEWILL” make the right Choice, and if he gave a person a Great Measure of Faith, how could he not make the right Choice, He is driven by the Faith given Him to make that right Choice.
Scripture also says God can increase our faith So it appears God alone Chosses and calls us for his own purpuses. Paul said it is not of him that that wills, nor of him that runs, but “of” God that shows mercy. and again, For He (GOD) works “IN” us “BOTH” to “WILL” and do his Good works.
I think what you have said about us being born sinners may be right and to a degree I do agree with you. There are some scriptual suppot for that comclusion. Even Jesus said you being (or existing in a state )of Evil know how to give good gifts to you Childern , how much more will not God give them of the spirit who ask for it.
That would seem to support you finding about us be born in and evil state.
Marlin1…..> interesting descussion brother.
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Brother Gene,
I can definitely see your point about God drawing. Scripture also says that many are called, but few are Chosen. Again it is God's show.
As for the story of the rich man, I believe Jesus was giving the man a choice. I do believe that Jesus knew the man would reject Him and just keep on being religious. But he had the choice to make.
About faith and free will, God also said He was no respecter of person. Faith is like the story of the 10 talents. God only holds a person accountable to the amount of faith He has given them. And like the 10 talents could grow when put into play, faith can be increased when exercised.
I think this speaks of predestination and as some people believe that God will have His way, so what will be will be. I can do whatever I want. I don't believe that.
I believe there is much misunderstanding about predestination. I believe it speaks of God knowing the end from the beginning. God knows who will and who will not come to Him, WE DON'T. So we are to do everything as if everybody will. Some will not, but we don't know who. Also to say it doesn't matter what I do, because what will be will be, is just a cop-out and shows that the spirit is not right.
I believe we make choices everyday, and knowing that we are born with evil in us and that God has made a way for us to be righteous, helps me. We are born sinners and ONLY by the SPIRIT of GOD are we able to follow Jesus. Without His Spirit living in us, we have no chance. Without His blood covering us, we are sinners.
It is like the story the old Indian chief, when he was ask how he was doing. He said there is a fight going on inside of me. There is a big black dog and a big white dog and they are going at it tooth and nail.
When ask which one was winning, the chief said, the one that he fed the most was winning.I also have enjoyed our talk.
God Bless
bro. MarlinMarlin1……..I also believe we are given choices too, based on our Faith, Knowing this that the trying of your “faith” is more precious then gold. I think you example of the Indian Chief is good also , Because the more we feed on the Spirit and Word of God the stronger we do become. Faith seems to be varable much like a fuel that keep us going, in the Parable of the ten virgins five were wise and five were foolish, the wise took extra fuel in their flasks, I believe that Fuel was their Faith and by it they were able to go in to the wedding.
I also have enjoyed our talks to brother.
Love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Quote Marlin1……..I also believe we are given choices too, based on our Faith, Knowing this that the trying of your “faith” is more precious then gold. I think you example of the Indian Chief is good also , Because the more we feed on the Spirit and Word of God the stronger we do become. Faith seems to be varable much like a fuel that keep us going, in the Parable of the ten virgins five were wise and five were foolish, the wise took extra fuel in their flasks, I believe that Fuel was their Faith and by it they were able to go in to the wedding. I also have enjoyed our talks to brother.
Love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Hi Brother Gene,
I don't think the ten virgins was talking about faith, but it could be.
With Jesus' story of the ten talents. The judgement didn't come because they were given less, it came because they didn't multiply what they were given.
With the story of the ten virgins, they were not foolish, because they didn't multiply what they had, they were told to go and buy. Also Oil represents the Holy Ghost for the same reason we anoint with oil for healing. I believe these foolish were anointed with the Holy Ghost and not baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Just like Jesus said, I will be WITH YOU and even in you, if you continue on in me.
Many are Called, (they accept God and He is then with them)
Few are Chosen, (For some reason, the world pulls them away from Him, before they receive the Holy Ghost in them, they just go on being religious, foolish virgins)That is the way I see it.
God Bless
bro. Marlin
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