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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,04:29) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,20:39) The reason they were not circulated is because they were corrupted text.
Ed,(1)Do you have information to support the claim that the Alexandrian was a “corrupted text”?
(2)Corrupted by whom? And when?
Hi Mike,1) According to Devolution, it was found in the garbage.
A) There are significant differences between it and the Codex Vaticanvs (also of the same time period)
B) But less textual differences between the “Textus Receptus” and either of those two older mss.(2) When showing evidence of an explosion, it is not necessary to know where the materials came from or when they were mfg.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
There are significant differences in many mss. Tell me how those differences say the Alexandrian is the “corrupted” one? Is it not the OLDER one?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,11:49) Age really has nothing to do with the accuracy of “A COPY” – now does it – Yes or no?
Ed,To answer all three of your related questions:
YES, age most definitely has much to do with it in this case. To find the most accurate text, we must get as close to the originals as possible. Closer to the originals means the text has gone through the hands of less scribes – scribes which we KNOW have altered the text as they've seen fit throughout the ages.
Ed, if a 2nd century ms DOESN'T have the Johnanine Comma, and a 12th century ms DOES have it, what does it tell you:
A. Someone went back in time and ERASED the Comma from the older mss?
B. A later scribe ADDED the Comma to a text in which it did not originally appear?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,11:49) Age really has nothing to do with the accuracy of “A COPY” – now does it – Yes or no?
edwhy do you not answer the question than rather always ask ,
how far from the original can you go before it becomes polluted with men's mind
?it seems to me that even wen Paul still was alive we ad that problem ,right
?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,04:01)
Hi allIt comes down to two sets of Manuscripts.
One lot found in Antioch
and the other lot found in Alexandria, Egypt.We should break it down & make it clear and simple so that everybody can understand, without all the confusing names of these texts. There's two sets.
– Antioch Manuscripts
– Alexandrian ManuscriptsRevelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,13:25) Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,13:28) Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,13:25) Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Amos 9:5 And the Lord GOD of hosts is he that toucheth the land, and it shall melt, and all that dwell therein shall mourn: and it shall rise up wholly like a flood; and shall be drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.journey42,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,20:25) Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
J42WHAT DOES IT MEAN
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,13:44) Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,20:25) Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
J42WHAT DOES IT MEAN
PierreChrist was crucified just outside Jerusalem, not in Egypt or Sodom,
but God said he was crucified in Egypt and Sodom,
so God is speaking spiritually,
today is just like Egypt and Sodom,
There are still captives in spiritual “Egypt” ,
and Sodom is the way the world behave today.
This is Babylon the Great,Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive, not of her plagues.
Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,21:55) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,13:44) Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 26 2012,20:25) Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
J42WHAT DOES IT MEAN
PierreChrist was crucified just outside Jerusalem, not in Egypt or Sodom,
but God said he was crucified in Egypt and Sodom,
so God is speaking spiritually,
today is just like Egypt and Sodom,
There are still captives in spiritual “Egypt” ,
and Sodom is the way the world behave today.
This is Babylon the Great,Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive, not of her plagues.
J42Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Rev 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
Rev 11:6 These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
Rev 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
Rev 11:10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
Rev 11:12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Rev 11:13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.what is this mean???
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,17:17) J42 Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Rev 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
Rev 11:6 These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
Rev 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
Rev 11:10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
Rev 11:12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Rev 11:13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.what is this mean???
PierreThis is about the 2 prophets God will send to Israel. God does not mention who they are, but they have the same powers as Elijah and Moses.
Elijah didn't die, but was taken up,
and And the Devil fought with the Archangel Michael, over the body of Moses.
Why did Satan want Moses dead body so bad?These two prophets will prophesy in Israel 30 days short of 3 1/2 years. When they are killed, God will bring them back to life, and then the 7 Trump blows (Coming)
Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 27 2012,01:20) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,17:17) J42 Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Rev 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.
Rev 11:6 These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
Rev 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
Rev 11:10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.
Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.
Rev 11:12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Rev 11:13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.what is this mean???
PierreThis is about the 2 prophets God will send to Israel. God does not mention who they are, but they have the same powers as Elijah and Moses.
Elijah didn't die, but was taken up,
and And the Devil fought with the Archangel Michael, over the body of Moses.
Why did Satan want Moses dead body so bad?These two prophets will prophesy in Israel 30 days short of 3 1/2 years. When they are killed, God will bring them back to life, and then the 7 Trump blows (Coming)
j42this is pure invention of the mind,
this is not what scriptures are saying is it
this is what you are thinking it should be right journey,
It seems to me that you are trying to use Biblical prophecy to support the ms found in Antioch over the one found in Egypt.
It seems you are equating these two ms with the two prophets which were to come.
But there are MANY mss – THOUSANDS of them – which have been located in several different places, so I don't think your analogy works.
Also, don't forget that BOTH of those prophets were killed – not just one of them.
And finally, this all boils down to: Which ms is the closest to the time of the originals? Because that is the ms that is most likely to be the closest translation of the originals.
Do you agree with this thought? YES or NO?
all
Rev 11:12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Rev 11:13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.those two scriptures should give you a hint of who they are (two witness)
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,10:08) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,11:49) Age really has nothing to do with the accuracy of “A COPY” – now does it – Yes or no?
edwhy do you not answer the question than rather always ask ,
how far from the original can you go before it becomes polluted with men's mind
?it seems to me that even wen Paul still was alive we ad that problem ,right
?
Hi Pierre,“ANY” copy apart from the original can be altered.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,14:30) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2012,10:08) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 26 2012,11:49) Age really has nothing to do with the accuracy of “A COPY” – now does it – Yes or no?
edwhy do you not answer the question than rather always ask ,
how far from the original can you go before it becomes polluted with men's mind
?it seems to me that even wen Paul still was alive we ad that problem ,right
?
Hi Pierre,“ANY” copy apart from the original can be altered.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edthank you ;so now we can go somewere from here;
so how did the true righteous fathers knew it was not according to the truth of God
I mean the scriptures or letters ;
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:28) ed thank you ;so now we can go somewere from here;
so how did the true righteous fathers knew it was not according to the truth of God
I mean the scriptures or letters ;
Hi Pierre,I'm not really sure what you are asking; could you use different words?
Do you want to know what the church criteria was in considering canon?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,17:10) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,08:28) ed thank you ;so now we can go somewere from here;
so how did the true righteous fathers knew it was not according to the truth of God
I mean the scriptures or letters ;
Hi Pierre,I'm not really sure what you are asking; could you use different words?
Do you want to know what the church criteria was in considering canon?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edhow could a true christian believer make the distinction between the truth of God and men's wisdom
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