MIKE, TERRA, ED

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then why scriptures says that the souls John sees are the ones that CAME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ;this mean they were in it ,right

This is not the bride, 5:8 speaks of the Saints,(the bride), and this people through all the church ages can be numbered 5:11.

This group in 7:9 could not be numbered. They are they that come to their senses to late to be in the bride. They don't take the mark of the beast and will pay with their lives in the great tribulation. They will come up at the 2nd resurrection, these are the sheep of Matthew 25.

God Bless
bro Marlin

Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

Mt 22:1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying:
Mt 22:2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.
Mt 22:3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
Mt 22:4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’
Mt 22:5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business.
Mt 22:6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them.
Mt 22:7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
Mt 22:8 “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come.
Mt 22:9 Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’
Mt 22:10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
Mt 22:11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes.
Mt 22:12 ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ The man was speechless.
Mt 22:13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Mt 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits(144k); then, when he comes, those who belong to him.( there before me was a great multitude that no one could count,)

October 20, 2012 at 6:14 pm#316897

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When God tells or shows a prophet something to do or say. Who does the Work?

It is always God doing the work THROUGH one of His prophets. This was also the case with God's prophet Jesus. (Acts 2:22)

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The Word was God and that Word come to Moses, and that Word became Jesus the Christ.

So someTHING that WAS God Almighty became someONE who wasn't God Almighty anymore?

Jesus is not “God the Christ”, but instead one of the many christs OF God. He is an anointed one OF God – not God Himself.

Btw, John 1:1 teaches that the Word was with THE God, and was himself also a god. God Almighty cannot possibly be WITH God Almighty. Nor can the Word OF God BE the very God he is the Word OF.

Is it that you CAN'T understand simple words like “of” and “with”? Or is it that you just don't WANT to understand them when it comes to Jesus Christ, the Servant OF God?

October 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm#316898

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Didn't Moses make a mistake.
Didn't Abraham make a mistake.
Didn't David make a mistake.
Didn't Solomon make a mistake.

Tell me the scripture that says that any man, other then Jesus, will be without sin. Will not make a mistake as a man. Brother Branham was a man, saved by grace. His calling from birth was a prophet.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

could show me one single mistake God as made through his true prophets ;if you do have any keep quite ;

Pierre makes a compelling point, Marlin. It is true that all men make mistakes in their life, but none of God's true prophets prophesied falsely – because the prophesies came from God, and not from their own minds.

peace,
mike

October 20, 2012 at 6:30 pm#316899

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The LORD said that HE would strike the Nile with the staff that was in HIS hand – yet the staff was really in the hands of Moses, and Moses is the one who really struck the Nile with it.

Brother Mike,

JOHN 10:35 † If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 † Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

That is the correct understanding, Marlin. Many times in scripture, the representative of God is called “God” or “YHWH” – because he is representing YHWH.

But would you understand it the same way if it had been Jesus holding the staff instead of Moses? Or would you consider it a perfect proof text that Jesus was in fact God Almighty Himself?

I suspect it would be the latter, based on all the other oddly worded scriptures you guys try to force into teaching that Jesus is the very God he is the Son of.

October 21, 2012 at 12:03 am#316934

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could show me one single mistake God as made through his true prophets ;if you do have any keep quite ;

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Pierre

Brother Pierre,
God didn't make a mistake with Brother Branham's 1977 quote, for it was man's idea, not Gods.

Your challenge is on, except when I show you, then you KEEP QUIET, unless you have something positive to say.

I had spoke of just four of God's prophets, so I will just use those four.

1 Moses was told to speak to the rock and he hit the rock. For this mistake, he was not allowed to go into the promise land.

NUM20:10 † And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?
11 † And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
12 † And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

2. Abraham lied.
GEN 12:13 † Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.

3. David committed Adultery.
II SAM 12:13 † And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD……

4. Solomon was disobedience.
I KINGS 11:1 † But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
2 † Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

5. John the baptist lost his faith while in prison, that Jesus was the one.

6. Courageous Elijah became an coward.

The list could go on and on. Maybe you can show me ONE of God's prophets that didn't make a mistake.

These men all were, conceived in sin, shaped in iniquity, come to the world speaking lies. All, including these, need a Saviour.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 21, 2012 at 12:18 am#316935

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Mike said,

peace,
mike

Brother Mike,

And that is what this was Brother Mike, a man's mistake.
Brother Branham said it over and over that it was his own prediction, not 'Thus Saith The LORD'.

I challenge you both to find one quote, where he said 'thus saith the Lord' that has failed.

Please don't strain at a gnat and sallow a camel.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 21, 2012 at 1:02 am#316949

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Pierre said,
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits(144k); then, when he comes, those who belong to him.( there before me was a great multitude that no one could count,)

Brother Pierre,

Rev 5 is before Rev 7, the bride is with Him in Rev 5.

This period of time of the Gentiles is almost over, the bride will leave. Then hell on earth, for the Spirit of God is now gone. (it went with the bride). Then the message goes back to the Jews (144,000).
Those Gentiles that are left here have nothing good to look for here.
REV 12:17 † And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Those that keep the commandments of God (Jews 144,000)
Those that have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the Foolish Virgin). both groups will give their lives without taking the mark.

This mixing up of scriptures is the very reason that God said He would send a prophet to this last day.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 21, 2012 at 1:47 am#316958

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God didn't make a mistake with Brother Branham's 1977 quote, for it was man's idea, not Gods.

this is false thinking ,if he would not have been a self published prophet no harm could done ,but his mouth testify again him and so he became a deceiver and so a liar, ONE LIE THATS ALL IT TAKES TO BECOME A LIAR ,AND MANY WITNESSES .

this is so convienient for the purpose of wanting the lie to be true ;but it can not be true ;it is a lie and he his a false prophet if you like or not

the JW did the same thing when it was clear to them in head quaters that 1975 will not happen they start to focus on the after shock and this was not the first time that they made a mistake in date s so they also are false prophets because they lied to their people the so called people of God ,

SO I do not share your view on this man ,you know were I stand ,the truth only the truth of God ,if you can not walk the talk then you are not worthed to listen to.

IMITATE PAUL ,CHRIST ,THOSE ARE THE TRUE PROPHETS

October 21, 2012 at 1:50 am#316961

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Those that keep the commandments of God (Jews 144,000)

CHRIST SHOW US THAT IN REALITY THEIR ARE ONLY TWO COMMANDMENTS ,FOR ALL WHO WANT TO FOLLOW CHRIST .

October 21, 2012 at 2:14 am#316979

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Mike said,

peace,
mike

Brother Mike,

And that is what this was Brother Mike, a man's mistake.
Brother Branham said it over and over that it was his own prediction, not 'Thus Saith The LORD'.

I challenge you both to find one quote, where he said 'thus saith the Lord' that has failed.

Please don't strain at a gnat and sallow a camel.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

Fair enough, Marlin, for even Paul sometimes distinguished between which of his teachings came to him via Spirit, and which ones were his own personal opinions.

Is there a God-inspired prophecy that Branham got right?

October 21, 2012 at 2:26 am#316981

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Moses was told to speak to the rock and he hit the rock. For this mistake, he was not allowed to go into the promise land.

The way I understood it, Moses' mistake was that he took credit for providing the water, when it was God who provided it. (Numbers 20:10)

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2. Abraham lied.
GEN 12:13 † Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.

Sarai really was Abraham's sister. So he didn't really “lie” as much as he “withheld some of the truth”.

I agree with the rest of your examples.

October 21, 2012 at 2:36 am#316983

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During the mid 1940s William Branham was conducting healing campaigns almost exclusively with Oneness Pentecostal groups.[26] The broadening of Branham's ministry to the wider Pentecostal community came as a result of his introduction to Gordon Lindsay in 1947, who soon became his primary manager and promoter.[27] Around this time several other prominent Pentecostals joined his ministry team including Ern Baxter and F. F. Bosworth.[28] Gordon Lindsay proved to be an able publicist for Branham, founding The Voice of Healing [2] magazine in 1948 which was originally aimed at reporting on Branham's healing campaigns.[29]
In June 1947, the Evening Sun newspaper of Jonesboro, Arkansas reported that “Residents of at least 25 States and Mexico have visited Jonesboro since Rev. Branham opened the camp meeting, June 1. The total attendance for the services is likely to surpass the 20,000 mark”. Several newspapers carried reports of healings in the meetings”[30] His success took him to countries around the world. According to a Pentecostal historian, “Branham filled the largest stadiums and meeting halls in the world.”[31]
In Durban, South Africa in 1951 he addressed meetings sponsored by the Apostolic Faith Mission, the Assemblies of God, the Pentecostal Holiness Church, and the Full Gospel Church of God. Meetings were conducted in eleven cities, with a combined attendance of a half million people. On the final day of the Durban meetings, held at the Greyville Racecourse, an estimated 45,000 people attended and thousands more were turned away at the gates.[32] Many healings were reported in the local newspapers.[33]
U.S. Congressman William Upshaw, crippled for sixty-six years, publicly proclaimed his miraculous healing in a Branham meeting in a leaflet called “I'm Standing on the Promises”.[34] Branham also claimed that God's miraculous intervention healed King George VI of England through his prayers.[35] Branham claimed to have witnessed a young boy raised from the dead in Finland in April 1950. Branham said this was the fulfilment of a vision he had told audiences during his campaign meetings,[36] though Branham was the only one who pronounced his death.[37]
From the mid 1950s onwards Branham began to publicly teach that neither Oneness theology nor Trinitarianism was correct, but that God was the same Person in three different offices – in the same way that a husband can also be a father and a grandfather.[38] As he began to speak more openly about doctrine, such as the Godhead and serpent seed, the popularity of his ministry began to decline.[39]

Oneness pentecostalism has grown to over 17 million adherents worldwide making it perhaps the largest anti-trinitarian movement in the world. (I believe the Mormon church is second with 10 million adherents.) What sets oneness pentecostalism apart from other anti-trinitarian groups is its seeming orthodoxy. Unlike Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses oneness pentecostals teach both that there is one God and that Jesus is fully God. For this reason, many Christians have difficulty seeing the subtle heresies of oneness pentecostalism.

=During the mid 1940s William Branham was conducting healing campaigns almost exclusively with Oneness Pentecostal groups.=

From the mid 1950s onwards Branham began to publicly teach that neither Oneness theology nor Trinitarianism was correct

WHY DID IT TOOK 10 YEARS TO SEE AND WAKE UP IF YOU ARE A PROPHET OF GOD THIS IS BAD DOCTRINE ,

Dt 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
Dt 13:2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,”
Dt 13:3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Dt 13:4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.
Dt 13:5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death

October 21, 2012 at 10:19 pm#317078

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From the mid 1950s onwards Branham began to publicly teach that neither Oneness theology nor Trinitarianism was correct, but that God was the same Person in three different offices – in the same way that a husband can also be a father and a grandfather.

Hmmmm…………..

Can Mike the father have a different will than Mike the husband? Can Mike the husband SEND Mike the grandfather to do a mission? Would Mike the grandfather pray to Mike the husband?

This is yet another of the “Jesus is God” theories that just don't add up under scrutiny.

October 22, 2012 at 12:22 am#317091

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From the mid 1950s onwards Branham began to publicly teach that neither Oneness theology nor Trinitarianism was correct, but that God was the same Person in three different offices – in the same way that a husband can also be a father and a grandfather.

Hmmmm…………..

Can Mike the father have a different will than Mike the husband? Can Mike the husband SEND Mike the grandfather to do a mission? Would Mike the grandfather pray to Mike the husband?

This is yet another of the “Jesus is God” theories that just don't add up under scrutiny.

Brother Mike,

Can God the Father have a different will then God the Son or can God the Son have a different will then God the Holy Ghost.

The answer is NO. For these are three titles of the same God.

bro. Marlin

October 22, 2012 at 12:41 am#317092

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Mike, Terra, Ed.

I have an important question for you three.

Do you three believe that God preserved His written word unto all generations?

Yes or no?

God promised to perserve His Word, not the greek, latin, hebrew, english language.

October 22, 2012 at 12:49 am#317093

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Brother Pierre,

You have no first hand knowledge of him at all do you?

You have not listened to one sermon have you?

What you have done is take what some man has said about him.

Shame on you.

Of the thousands of 'thus saith the Lord', you pick a personally opinion and say that makes him false.
Which goes to show that you don't believe God's written Word is correct.
The test of a prophet,
DEU 18:22 † When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Deu 13, that you quoted, Brother Branham preached the same God that they new. The Lord our God is ONE. Maybe it is not the same Gods that you think you know.

Jesus went around healing every manner of sickness. The purpose of this was to get the peoples attention. Then He started preaching the hard Word and most left Him.

The healing is always to just get the peoples attention. Then the Word comes and weeds out the unbelievers and make believers.

II TIMOTHY 4:3 † For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 † And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 22, 2012 at 1:00 am#317094

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Moses was told to speak to the rock and he hit the rock. For this mistake, he was not allowed to go into the promise land.

The way I understood it, Moses' mistake was that he took credit for providing the water, when it was God who provided it. (Numbers 20:10)

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2. Abraham lied.
GEN 12:13 † Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.

Sarai really was Abraham's sister. So he didn't really “lie” as much as he “withheld some of the truth”.

I agree with the rest of your examples.

Brother Mike,

God told Moses to speak to the rock 20:8, Moses hit the Rock 20:11, God said, because you believed me not, didn't do what I told you to do. 20:12…
I don't see where it says he toke credit, but he may of, because he did hit it.

Yes Sarai was Abraham's sister, but what was his motive? Was he trying to deceive.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 22, 2012 at 1:06 am#317095

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Those that keep the commandments of God (Jews 144,000)

CHRIST SHOW US THAT IN REALITY THEIR ARE ONLY TWO COMMANDMENTS ,FOR ALL WHO WANT TO FOLLOW CHRIST .

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Pierre

Brother Pierre,

In this we agree.

That scripture in Rev. was written to show us that He was speaking of a different group of people.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 22, 2012 at 1:42 am#317096

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54556972/William-Branham-s-Prophecies

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Is there a God-inspired prophecy that Branham got right?

Brother Mike,

I found this website, I have only read a few on here though and it seems to put it forth accurately.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

October 22, 2012 at 1:43 am#317097