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Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 13 2012,17:32) JOHN 5:19 † Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. It was GOD in Jesus the man, reconciling the world unto himself.
So God on earth was saying he could do nothing on his own, but only what he saw God in heaven doing?
Marlin, I truly wish you could step outside of your own desires for a minute, and read the things you are preaching without your personal bias.
It is like you are totally oblivious to the illogical things you are claiming.
Imagine me claiming, with total sincerity of heart, that the number 72 proves that 7 is equal to 2. Now imagine that you knew I was a good, decent person who honestly believed this nonsense from the bottom of my heart. What recourse would be left to you? You would KNOW that I was talking illogical nonsense, but would be at a loss to help me since I sincerely believed my nonsense.
This is exactly how I feel when talking to Trinitarians and non-preexisters.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2012,05:41) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,17:13) Hi Mike, Please explain how a servant is 'a mighty one'?
Really Ed?Was the angel of God who killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night “mighty” from a human point of view?
Was he not also a servant of his God?
Hi Mike,Good point, but my question was regarding Jesus; do you have an answer for that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Now think out what you yourself just said, Marlin. The very words, “the fulness of God was in Jesus” make it clear that God is one, and Jesus is A DIFFERENT ONE in whom the fulness of God resides. God was also in Moses doing the signs and wonders before Pharaoh. God was also in Jesus' disciples doing the signs and wonders through them.
I wonder why you never claim that Moses and the disciples were God in the flesh. Similar things are said about all of them, yet it is only Jesus to whom you attribute the quality of BEING the very God who was “in him”. Why is that, Marlin?
Brother Mike,
Do you have scripture that God was IN Moses?
The deity of God as you want to put it, is made up of GOD the one and only.
Who was the pillar of fire that led Israel? God the who?
But I will agree with you that in the new Testament, God is in His True believers.
For all believers have been given a measure of FAITH.
ROM 12:3 † For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.But in Jesus was the fulness of GOD.
JOHN 3:34 † For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 † The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Can you not see the flesh of Jesus was a Man and the God in Him was the one and only GOD?
The difference between Him and us believers is that we are given in measure and He wasn't. He was God manifested in flesh, SON of God.
We on the other hand could be called sons of God, does that make us another God?God Bless
bro MarlinQuote Mt 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
Mt 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”would you call Christ a liar
OR MAY BE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID ” “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. “
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PierreBrother Pierre,
I certainly would NOT call Jesus a liar, but you have by your misplacing and misunderstanding of scripture.
He said that Elias would come and RESTORE ALL THINGS. PERIOD………
Then He goes on to say that he has come already. To you this is one coming, yet nowhere can you find where John the Baptist RESTORED ALL THINGS.
Are you not doing what you accuse me of, making Jesus a Liar?Maybe you can give me your understanding of what RESTORE ALL THINGS means?
For all things certainly do not seem to be restored to me.
The so called church world is a Babylon of confusion.
and that is 'Thus saith the Lord'God Bless
bro MarlinQuote JOHN 5:19 † Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. It was GOD in Jesus the man, reconciling the world unto himself.
Quote Mike said,
So God on earth was saying he could do nothing on his own, but only what he saw God in heaven doing?Brother Mike,
Wow, you really can not separate flesh from Spirit can you? That just seems impossible to me.
Where does it say God in heaven, Jesus saw visions (dreams while awake).
I guess here is another scripture (John 5:19), that you had better get changed, because it just won't fit with your thinking.
You might have to change this one to.
MARK 13:32 † But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.Jesus was a man, the only begotten Son of God.
God chose to use man, He could have use rocks, but He chose to use man and Jesus was a man with the fulness of God in HIM.Why is that so hard for you to understand?
God Bless
bro MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 15 2012,15:25) Quote Mt 17:10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
Mt 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”would you call Christ a liar
OR MAY BE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID ” “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. “
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PierreBrother Pierre,
I certainly would NOT call Jesus a liar, but you have by your misplacing and misunderstanding of scripture.
He said that Elias would come and RESTORE ALL THINGS. PERIOD………
Then He goes on to say that he has come already. To you this is one coming, yet nowhere can you find where John the Baptist RESTORED ALL THINGS.
Are you not doing what you accuse me of, making Jesus a Liar?Maybe you can give me your understanding of what RESTORE ALL THINGS means?
For all things certainly do not seem to be restored to me.
The so called church world is a Babylon of confusion.
and that is 'Thus saith the Lord'God Bless
bro Marlin
m1Quote I certainly would NOT call Jesus a liar, but you have by your misplacing and misunderstanding of scripture. Mt 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
WHY ARE YOU SO SURE THAT IT IS NOT YOU THAT CAN NOT READ
I HAVE MARK IT IN BOLD LETTERS SO YOU CAN READ IT BETTER .Quote For all things certainly do not seem to be restored to me.
The so called church world is a Babylon of confusion.
and that is 'Thus saith the Lord'WHEN YOU ADDRESS ME DO NOT THINK THAT I DO NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE IN SCRIPTURES ,I HAVE BUT I DO NOT ADD MY OWN THINKING IN TO IT ;
I CAN SEE YOU COMING 10 MILES AWAY ,SO TO SPEAK,
CHRIST SAID THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID ;Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
NOW DO YOU BELIEVE HIM OR NOT THIS IS YOUR QUESTION TO ANSWER
Quote CHRIST SAID THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID ;Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. NOW DO YOU BELIEVE HIM OR NOT THIS IS YOUR QUESTION TO ANSWER
Brother Pierre,
In your quote, Jesus says that Elijah come and restore all things.
If you believe John was this Elijah, WHAT All things did he restore?John didn't restore all things, There was nothing to be restored, for Christ hadn't even come on the seen yet. And even after Christ came and departed, there still wasn't anything to restore. For at that time they had the whole truth.
But in this DARK hour there is much to RESTORE.The Word has been watered down to the point of being lost almost all together.
The Spirit of Elijah comes five times, 5 is the number of grace.
1. Elijah2. Elisha II KINGS 2:9 † And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
3. John the Baptist…. MAL 3:1 † Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:
4. The 7th Angel messenger….. MATTHEW 17:11, MALACHI 4:5, LUKE 17:30 † Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
5. One of the two Witnesses: ……. REV 11:3 † And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
REV 11:6 † These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy…..God Bless
bro MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 15 2012,21:49) Quote CHRIST SAID THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID ;Mt 17:11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. NOW DO YOU BELIEVE HIM OR NOT THIS IS YOUR QUESTION TO ANSWER
Brother Pierre,
In your quote, Jesus says that Elijah come and restore all things.
If you believe John was this Elijah, WHAT All things did he restore?John didn't restore all things, There was nothing to be restored, for Christ hadn't even come on the seen yet. And even after Christ came and departed, there still wasn't anything to restore. For at that time they had the whole truth.
But in this DARK hour there is much to RESTORE.The Word has been watered down to the point of being lost almost all together.
The Spirit of Elijah comes five times, 5 is the number of grace.
1. Elijah2. Elisha II KINGS 2:9 † And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
3. John the Baptist…. MAL 3:1 † Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me:
4. The 7th Angel messenger….. MATTHEW 17:11, MALACHI 4:5, LUKE 17:30 † Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
5. One of the two Witnesses: ……. REV 11:3 † And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
REV 11:6 † These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy…..God Bless
bro Marlin
M1Look at verse 12 Jesus says that ,he add already come,
Why are you not read my quotes as they are presented to you,
All the other things you are trying to sell
to me ,not good,to much mix up,You also have a lot of imagination,and opinions,but no truth ,
Why you ask me questions if you know so much
Quote Look at verse 12 Jesus says that ,he add already come, Why are you not read my quotes as they are presented to you,
All the other things you are trying to sell
to me ,not good,to much mix up,You also have a lot of imagination,and opinions,but no truth ,
Why you ask me questions if you know so much
Sorry to have bothered you.
bro Marlin
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 14 2012,14:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2012,05:41) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,17:13) Hi Mike, Please explain how a servant is 'a mighty one'?
Really Ed?Was the angel of God who killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night “mighty” from a human point of view?
Was he not also a servant of his God?
Hi Mike,Good point, but my question was regarding Jesus; do you have an answer for that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Why would it matter WHO the mighty servant was?Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:09) Brother Mike, Do you have scripture that God was IN Moses?
I don't think any scripture specifically says those words, but do you doubt them?If you do, then you shoot your own doctrine in the foot, because it would give a bigger claim for Moses being the very God who did the works through him than Jesus. Why? Because the very words “God was in him” prove that the “him” can't be the very God who was in him.
Why can't you see this very obvious point, Marlin?
Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:09) Who was the pillar of fire that led Israel? God the who?
We find out later in scripture that it was the angel of Jehovah who went before them in the pillar of cloud. Many times in scripture, an angel of the Lord – since he is representing the Lord – is called “YHWH” or “God”.Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:09) Can you not see the flesh of Jesus was a Man and the God in Him was the one and only GOD?
Absolutely I can see that. Can't you see that God being in someone prohibits that someone from being the very God who was in him?Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:48) Where does it say God in heaven…………
Are you kidding? How many times did Jesus “look to heaven” and pray to his God, who dwells in heaven? How many times did he mention our Father and his Father, who was in heaven?Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:48) I guess here is another scripture (John 5:19), that you had better get changed, because it just won't fit with your thinking.
Actually, it doesn't fit with YOUR thinking, Marlin. In YOUR understanding, God Almighty Himself is saying he can do nothing by himself.Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:48) Jesus was a man, the only begotten Son of God.
God chose to use man, He could have use rocks, but He chose to use man and Jesus was a man with the fulness of God in HIM.Why is that so hard for you to understand?
It's not hard for me to understand, for it is the scriptural truth. God (ONE PERSON) used a man (A DIFFERENT PERSON) to fulfill His purpose on earth.The real question is why you would take all the phrases like “Jesus AND God”, “God was IN Jesus”, “God did the works THROUGH His Holy Servant Jesus”, etc……………. and imagine that they teach Jesus is God, when it is so very clear and obvious that they teach Jesus as someone OTHER THAN his and our God?
Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 16 2012,10:31) Quote Look at verse 12 Jesus says that ,he add already come, Why are you not read my quotes as they are presented to you,
All the other things you are trying to sell
to me ,not good,to much mix up,You also have a lot of imagination,and opinions,but no truth ,
Why you ask me questions if you know so much
Sorry to have bothered you.
bro Marlin
m1Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD'S favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
Isa 61:3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beautyIsa 61:3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
a planting of the LORDLk 7:22 So he replied to the messengers, “Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.
Lk 7:23 Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.”Lk 7:26 But what did you go out to see? A prophet(John the baptist)? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet.
Lk 7:27 This is the one about whom it is written:
“ ‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’Isa 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion,
to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,”
declares the LORD.
Isa 59:21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the LORD. “My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,” says the LORD.so the one that prepare is not the same than the one who restore all things.
Brother Mike,
Quote I don't think any scripture specifically says those words, but do you doubt them? If you do, then you shoot your own doctrine in the foot, because it would give a bigger claim for Moses being the very God who did the works through him than Jesus. Why? Because the very words “God was in him” prove that the “him” can't be the very God who was in him.
Your argument above is exactly the same as this “God was made Flesh and dwelt among us”.
The very God of the universe came and walked with man in the flesh that He had made.Can you not see that?
Quote Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:09)
Who was the pillar of fire that led Israel? God the who?We find out later in scripture that it was the angel of Jehovah who went before them in the pillar of cloud. Many times in scripture, an angel of the Lord – since he is representing the Lord – is called “YHWH” or “God”.
Moses says in verse 2 that the Angel of the LORD appeared.
EXODUS 3:2 † And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:
But who is this Angel of the LORD,
Verse 6 tells us the answer,
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.So this Angel is GOD in the burning bush, the same God that led Israel.
Now let us look at one more scripture that shows that the name of this God is Jesus.ACTS 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
5 † And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
So now that same Pillar of Fire, blinds Paul and Jesus is His name.Quote
Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 14 2012,15:09)
Can you not see the flesh of Jesus was a Man and the God in Him was the one and only GOD?Absolutely I can see that. Can't you see that God being in someone prohibits that someone from being the very God who was in him?
JOHN 1:14 † And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…..
bro Marlin
Brother Mike,
Quote Are you kidding? How many times did Jesus “look to heaven” and pray to his God, who dwells in heaven? How many times did he mention our Father and his Father, who was in heaven? Jesus also said that He was in heaven, while standing on the earth.
JOHN 3:13 † And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.Quote I guess here is another scripture (John 5:19), that you had better get changed, because it just won't fit with your thinking. Actually, it doesn't fit with YOUR thinking, Marlin. In YOUR understanding, God Almighty Himself is saying he can do nothing by himself.
I see brother you are still struggling separating FLESH from SPIRIT.
Quote It's not hard for me to understand, for it is the scriptural truth. God (ONE PERSON) used a man (A DIFFERENT PERSON) to fulfill His purpose on earth. The real question is why you would take all the phrases like “Jesus AND God”, “God was IN Jesus”, “God did the works THROUGH His Holy Servant Jesus”, etc……………. and imagine that they teach Jesus is God, when it is so very clear and obvious that they teach Jesus as someone OTHER THAN his and our God?
For the Lord Jesus Christ is the Name of God, very simple.
God Bless
bro MarlinBrother Pierre,
Quote so the one that prepare is not the same than the one who restore all things. Surly you are not saying that Jesus is Elias?
1. Jesus ask His disciples who He was, you remember? He wasn't Elias. He is the Son of GOD.2. Jesus didn't come to restore, He brought a new covenant and during the dark ages, most of it was lost to mans word.
I have already showed you what the scriptures says. These are two separate comings of the Spirit of Elias.
John the Baptist was to announce the 1st coming of the Lord. There was nothing to restore yet.God never changes does He, He used a prophet with the spirit of Elias to announce His first coming and will use, as the scriptures say, a prophet with the spirit of Elias to announce His 2nd coming and to restore all things, (word) that have been corrupted.
Will he add to or take from the Word, NO. He will reveal the truth of the scriptures with scripture. God will have to vindicate him, so that all with a seed of life in them will know that he is God sent.
But just like in Jesus day, only those TRUE SEEKERS will recognize him as the Prophet he is. Most of the people will miss him and go right on into perdition as if every thing is ok.
God Bless
bro MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 17 2012,07:57) Brother Pierre, Quote so the one that prepare is not the same than the one who restore all things. Surly you are not saying that Jesus is Elias?
1. Jesus ask His disciples who He was, you remember? He wasn't Elias. He is the Son of GOD.2. Jesus didn't come to restore, He brought a new covenant and during the dark ages, most of it was lost to mans word.
I have already showed you what the scriptures says. These are two separate comings of the Spirit of Elias.
John the Baptist was to announce the 1st coming of the Lord. There was nothing to restore yet.God never changes does He, He used a prophet with the spirit of Elias to announce His first coming and will use, as the scriptures say, a prophet with the spirit of Elias to announce His 2nd coming and to restore all things, (word) that have been corrupted.
Will he add to or take from the Word, NO. He will reveal the truth of the scriptures with scripture. God will have to vindicate him, so that all with a seed of life in them will know that he is God sent.
But just like in Jesus day, only those TRUE SEEKERS will recognize him as the Prophet he is. Most of the people will miss him and go right on into perdition as if every thing is ok.
God Bless
bro Marlin
m1Quote But just like in Jesus day, only those TRUE SEEKERS will recognize him as the Prophet he is. Most of the people will miss him and go right on into perdition as if every thing is ok. who his that prophet
Lk 4:17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
Lk 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
Lk 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Lk 4:20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him,
Lk 4:21 and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”Quote who his that prophet ————–
PierreBrothers and Sisters,
The Blind see, the Deaf hear, the Dumb speak, the Dead rise, Healing by the thousands.
Oh, and that isn't the half of it. The thoughts and intents of the heart, without fail.
Around the world 7 times.
And not one person on this site knows about it. Am I suppose to believe that?Are we so busy teaching our own man made doctrines that we miss the real move of God for this last day?
bro Marlin
Quote (Marlin1 @ Oct. 17 2012,08:44) Quote who his that prophet ————–
PierreBrothers and Sisters,
The Blind see, the Deaf hear, the Dumb speak, the Dead rise, Healing by the thousands.
Oh, and that isn't the half of it. The thoughts and intents of the heart, without fail.
Around the world 7 times.
And not one person on this site knows about it. Am I suppose to believe that?Are we so busy teaching our own man made doctrines that we miss the real move of God for this last day?
bro Marlin
his your prophet that Armenian guy ??Quote Brothers and Sisters, The Blind see, the Deaf hear, the Dumb speak, the Dead rise, Healing by the thousands.
Oh, and that isn't the half of it. The thoughts and intents of the heart, without fail.
Around the world 7 times.And not one person on this site knows about it. Am I suppose to believe that?
Are we so busy teaching our own man made doctrines that we miss the real move of God for this last day?
bro Marlin
his your prophet that Armenian guy ??
Brother Pierre,
No, he was an American.
And nobody on here knows of him?
That is really hard to believe.
It seems that maybe you Brother Pierre are the only one interested at all.
bro Marlin
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