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Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,19:17) Edj Quote SPIRIT – “The Father” – (John 4:24)
WATER – “The Word” – (Eph. 5:26)
BLOOD – “Jesus” – (Acts 20:28)
Hi Georgie,Do you agree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,19:34) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,19:17) Edj Quote SPIRIT – “The Father” – (John 4:24)
WATER – “The Word” – (Eph. 5:26)
BLOOD – “Jesus” – (Acts 20:28)
Hi Georgie,Do you agree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjYou should be quoting and highlighting the verse, not your interpretation. Don't bury it in the sand and replace it Ed.
How was Jesus introduced to us?
Did he come down from heaven as a spirit?, as an angel? or as a human?,
Did he hurt, did he hunger, did he feel pain?
Did he not show us the way to the Father?
Did he not show us that it could be done in the flesh, (conquer, overcome) if we set our mind towards spiritual things?
How did Jesus make his big debut into this world?1John 5: 6 This is he who came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth
No I don't agree with you. Not in the context it is speaking in. The verse is simple to me.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,21:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,12:03) EDJ. So the water symbolises the h.spirit.
wakeup.
YES, Yes, yes!!!
EdjBut you just said the water represents the Word?
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,21:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,12:03) EDJ. So the water symbolises the h.spirit.
wakeup.
YES, Yes, yes!!!
EDJ.There are three that bear witness –ON EARTH–.
the spirit,and the water, and the blood.Ed says:
the spirit is God. the water is the H.spirit. and the blood is Christ.
SO GOD IS THE WITNESS ON EARTH ALSO?
WE ARE NOT INCLUDED,WE ARE OUT OF THE PICTURE??HOW COME BRO?
wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,23:00) terraricca,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Hi PierreI don't quite understand your question?
Quote (God, his Word, and truth)
could you explain this to me ;God i know ,his word and truth or not ONE
All three are one. I don't get your question? All come out of God. All work together and bare record of everything.
There's God,
His Word bares record (his word is recorded as the law he sets, like a constitution, we obey, or disobey)
His truth. There is truth in his Word.
All three are one, from him, and have a job to do with authority to bare record . (but it's all God in the end)
All three are one.
j42why would God need any witnesses
and how can water represent our birth
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2012,23:26) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,23:00) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 03 2012,10:30)
Hi PierreI don't quite understand your question?
Quote (God, his Word, and truth)
could you explain this to me ;God i know ,his word and truth or not ONE
All three are one. I don't get your question? All come out of God. All work together and bare record of everything.
There's God,
His Word bares record (his word is recorded as the law he sets, like a constitution, we obey, or disobey)
His truth. There is truth in his Word.
All three are one, from him, and have a job to do with authority to bare record . (but it's all God in the end)
All three are one.
j42why would God need any witnesses
and how can water represent our birth
PierreGod has witnesses because he is fair.
He witnesses from heaven because he has to keep record,
and does so, so he can write whoever in the book of life or not.
When men face judgement, God will have everything they ever did recorded, and even though man might forget his evil deeds over time (having a conscious soared with a hot iron)
God does not forget what he has said and done in his lifetime,
if he repented or not,
and if that man did repented for God's sake,
then the Spirit will bear witness of that man, who tried for God, and feared his name,
so mercy will come into it then.It's the Spirit in us that witnesses that his Word is true.
It's that Spirit in us that helps us discern right from wrong,
The same Spirit that gives us knowledge and understanding straight from God, from his Words and power.
We mere humans cannot witness everybody, for we can't be every where at the same time, but our Witness of the Word is true, and not only by our Words, but by our conduct also in all matters and decisions.
this shows God that we honour him, by keeping his commandments by behaving holy as he is holy
It's not all for nothing,
it's for a righteous God
with a reward coming, and we hope and trust in his promises.Re the Water?
I already explained Pierre,
flesh comes out of the womb during birth,
the womb of a woman contains water and blood.
Angels are not born out of a woman,
they are just created, and they appear.
Not with Christ, or us however,
Christ came into the world, born out of a woman
born out of water and blood.
but he is resurrected and is Spirit now,
we testify that he died and rose from the dead,
we will also be resurrected, just like him
if we have the same Spirit in us,
for it's the Spirit that quickens
We have to be flesh first, before we can be quickened to Spirit.
It's the process we have to go through.
And at the end of it, we can say we have experience of what damage evil can do in a world where no-one respects God, or gives him any credit,
but theres a little light that shines unto us in this dark place.Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2012,17:16) The 'Johannine comma' must certainly been in most of them. (being added early on)
It's only in 5 of the over 3000 mss we know of today, Ed.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 02 2012,16:56) Mike, Apollos did not hold any “new” manuscripts in his hand, so he did not bring in another word watered down,
he was taught from the word already written,
same as myself for that fact
This is the point, journey. The “word already written” did not have those extra words in 1 John 5:7.It seems that you are being taught from a “another word watered down” in certain verses.
I choose to base my understanding on “the word already written”, not the additions and changes that have occured throughout the ages.
Why would you fault me for that?
j42
Quote Re the Water?
I already explained Pierre,
flesh comes out of the womb during birth,
the womb of a woman contains water and blood.
Angels are not born out of a woman,
they are just created, and they appear.
Not with Christ, or us however,
Christ came into the world, born out of a woman
born out of water and blood.
but he is resurrected and is Spirit now,
we testify that he died and rose from the dead,
we will also be resurrected, just like him
if we have the same Spirit in us,
for it's the Spirit that quickens
We have to be flesh first, before we can be quickened to Spirit.
It's the process we have to go through.
And at the end of it, we can say we have experience of what damage evil can do in a world where no-one respects God, or gives him any credit,
but theres a little light that shines unto us in this dark place.what is a birth got to do with Gods purpose
nothing ,CHRIST CAME IN KNOWLEDGE AND WALKED THE TALK UNTILL DEAD (HIS BLOOD ) CHRIST LOVE WAS COMPLET WITH HIS DEAD FOR GODS PURPOSE;SO WATER STANDS FOR ;KNOWLEDGE(THIS IS THE LIGHT ) NOT BIRTH WATER .
BLOOD STANDS FOR OUR LOVE FOR GOD UNTIL DEAD JUST AS CHRIST DID ;ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS CHRIST MUST GIVE UP HIS LIVE TO DO GODS WILL ,THIS IS THE PRICE TO PAY ,THE SLAVES ARE NOT HIGHER THAN THE MASTER ,WHEN WE ARE FOR GOD AND DO HIS WILL ,THEN WE MUST STAY IN OUR INTEGRITY UNTIL DEAD
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,22:20) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,21:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,12:03) EDJ. So the water symbolises the h.spirit.
wakeup.
YES, Yes, yes!!!
EdjBut you just said the water represents the Word?
Hi Georgie,“That he might sanctify and cleanse [the church]
with the washing of water by the word,” (Eph 5:26)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2012,08:14) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,22:20) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,21:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,12:03) EDJ. So the water symbolises the h.spirit.
wakeup.
YES, Yes, yes!!!
EdjBut you just said the water represents the Word?
Hi Georgie,“That he might sanctify and cleanse [the church]
with the washing of water by the word,” (Eph 5:26)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjThat is not what it means in that verse.
Do you deny that Christ came in the flesh?Quote the scripture again, please Ed
We are studying the Word here,
how God phrases his words in his message,
very important.You are not using scriptures, to make it clear.
I've used scriptures all the way.Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 04 2012,08:14) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 03 2012,22:20) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 03 2012,21:08) Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,12:03) EDJ. So the water symbolises the h.spirit.
wakeup.
YES, Yes, yes!!!
EdjBut you just said the water represents the Word?
Hi Georgie,“That he might sanctify and cleanse [the church]
with the washing of water by the word,” (Eph 5:26)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Water can also mean people,nations and tongues.
this is the physical water.(rev.17:15).
Water can also mean spiritual water as in rev.22:1.You must know how to interpret.
Jesus came by water and blood,(physical) flesh.
And the spirit inside him,which is holy.The word does make us clean;but spiritually, not just as by washing with the physical water,which only wash the skin.
wakeup.
J42
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It's the Spirit in us that witnesses that his Word is true.
It's that Spirit in us that helps us discern right from wrong,
The same Spirit that gives us knowledge and understanding straight from God, from his Words and power.
We mere humans cannot witness everybody, for we can't be every where at the same time, but our Witness of the Word is true, and not only by our Words, but by our conduct also in all matters and decisions.
this shows God that we honour him, by keeping his commandments by behaving holy as he is holy
It's not all for nothing,
it's for a righteous God
with a reward coming, and we hope and trust in his promises.IT IS OUR SPIRIT AND OUR MIND AND OUR HEART THAT RECEIVE THE WORDS OF GOD (seed)when we act on it and become disciples of Christ through the scriptures that we have believed then we become his witnesses to others that can ear and see us out play the words of God .
the blessing of God upon us guaranties our success ,our faithfulness his remarked by others and serve as an example for the glory of God and his son Jesus Christ
Quote This is the point, journey. The “word already written” did not have those extra words in 1 John 5:7.
Mike lets not stay stuck in muddy waters ok.
I agree that you believe with all your heart what they tell you, and I don't believe their account,
so we just have to agree to disagree on this one and move on to living fountains of waters.mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Mike,Quote Shall we continue on to the next verse? NO, not yet…
Matt 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
Matt 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Matt 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth….Mike,
Look at the context.
Jesus is answering an accusation by the Pharisees, not a question, an accusation!!
Because holy men did not eat with sinners full stop!!And this is what Jesus said to the Pharisees in reply to their question, “Why is your Master eating with publicans & sinners?”: A) : They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth…
Do you think they understood him?
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 04 2012,12:24) J42 Quote
It's the Spirit in us that witnesses that his Word is true.
It's that Spirit in us that helps us discern right from wrong,
The same Spirit that gives us knowledge and understanding straight from God, from his Words and power.
We mere humans cannot witness everybody, for we can't be every where at the same time, but our Witness of the Word is true, and not only by our Words, but by our conduct also in all matters and decisions.
this shows God that we honour him, by keeping his commandments by behaving holy as he is holy
It's not all for nothing,
it's for a righteous God
with a reward coming, and we hope and trust in his promises.IT IS OUR SPIRIT AND OUR MIND AND OUR HEART THAT RECEIVE THE WORDS OF GOD (seed)when we act on it and become disciples of Christ through the scriptures that we have believed then we become his witnesses to others that can ear and see us out play the words of God .
the blessing of God upon us guaranties our success ,our faithfulness his remarked by others and serve as an example for the glory of God and his son Jesus Christ
Terra.In your opinion ; who really is Christ? Do you know?
Give us an explanation.wakeup.
Quote (Devolution @ Sep. 04 2012,05:26) Do you think they understood him?
How in the world would I know that, Devo?We know from scripture that many of even the leaders came to believe in Jesus and his word eventually – but would not openly acknowledge such. (John 12:42:43)
We know that Nicodemus and Paul were both Pharisees who came to believe in Jesus.
But how could I possibly know whether or not the specific ones he addressed in Matt 9 “understood him”?
What does this line of questioning have to do with the words “to repentance” anyway?
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 05 2012,09:01) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 04 2012,12:24) J42 Quote
It's the Spirit in us that witnesses that his Word is true.
It's that Spirit in us that helps us discern right from wrong,
The same Spirit that gives us knowledge and understanding straight from God, from his Words and power.
We mere humans cannot witness everybody, for we can't be every where at the same time, but our Witness of the Word is true, and not only by our Words, but by our conduct also in all matters and decisions.
this shows God that we honour him, by keeping his commandments by behaving holy as he is holy
It's not all for nothing,
it's for a righteous God
with a reward coming, and we hope and trust in his promises.IT IS OUR SPIRIT AND OUR MIND AND OUR HEART THAT RECEIVE THE WORDS OF GOD (seed)when we act on it and become disciples of Christ through the scriptures that we have believed then we become his witnesses to others that can ear and see us out play the words of God .
the blessing of God upon us guaranties our success ,our faithfulness his remarked by others and serve as an example for the glory of God and his son Jesus Christ
Terra.In your opinion ; who really is Christ? Do you know?
Give us an explanation.wakeup.
WUPJESUS CHRIST his first in creation and so the only begotten son of God almighty ,all other thing no matter what it is as been created trough Jesus Christ ,his name in heaven is THE WORD'
for the simple reason that HE HIS THE ONLY DIRECT CONNECTION TO GOD HIS FATHER BECAUSE ALL OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM COL;1;14-21FOR THIS REASON JESUS WAS THE ONLY POSSIBLE MEANS TO SAVE CREATION ,IF YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IF NOT LOOK IT THIS WAY ;;WICKEDNESS CAN NOT REACH GOD AND GOD AS NO PART IN IT WHY ? BECAUSE ALL STOPS AT CHRIST NEVER REACH GOD ,BUT TO SAVE CREATION JESUS AT TO ACCEPT TO GO DOWN STRIPED OF HIS GLORY AND BECOME LIKE ONE OF US ,BUT COULD NOT BE BORN AGAIN LIKE A NEW CREATION THAT NEVER EXISTED ,IN DEED HE NEVER EXISTED AS A MAN BEFORE ,BUT HE WAS A EXISTING BEING THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,AND IT IS BECAUSE HE AGREED TO COME DOWN AND DIE FOR OUR SINS ,THAT TILL NOW WE STILL CAN BENEFIT OF HIS SACRIFICE ,BUT ONLY AT HIS CONDITIONS,
WHEN HE CLEAN UP ALL THE MESS(THE OPPOSITION) ,AND GODS WILL ,WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED THE WAY IT HAS BEEN FOR CAST THEN DEAD WILL BE DESTROYED AND ALL WILL BE BACK AS IT WAS BEFORE ADAM SINNED, ALL WILL BE OF GOD ,
MEANS THAT ALL THING ARE WORKING WITH THE SAME SPIRIT ,MIND ,HEART AND SOUL,NO ONE THAT WORKS AGAINST GODS WILL OR CHALLENGE HIM ,WE WILL STILL HAVE OUR FREE WILL BUT OUR LOVE FOR OUR FATHER WILL BE TO GREAT TO RISKING TO LOSE HIS LOVE FOR US ,
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