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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,07:37) Hi SF,
Little is known of him for sure.
But little is known of many that have lived.
If this man was such a great man,
That was mentioned in Genesis,
that blessed Abraham
that Was so important that even Abraham gave his tenths spoils.Im sure that history would give this man his due.
but even scripture states that he was a man without linage.
He did not die. To assume he did is speculation.
all you know is that he lived. Amongst the kings, who was greater than the kings.
What does melchisdek mean anyways?
does not hebrews define what he means, his kingdom and what he represents?
consider how great of a man he was, that even the patriach gave the tenth of his spoils.Hi SF,
His usefulness to God is shown in both the OT and the NT.
To fulfill Hebrews 7 he needed to be as shown in the OT
And he remains as a type of Christ as king and priestQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,08:37) Hi SF,
Little is known of him for sure.
But little is known of many that have lived.
I remember reading these free books from the Living church of God, they tried to say Melchizedek was Jesus, then Ronald Weinland went so far as to say it was God if I remember right, but they speculate on alot of things which arent matched up with scripture.Quote (karmarie @ June 09 2010,09:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,08:37) Hi SF,
Little is known of him for sure.
But little is known of many that have lived.
I remember reading these free books from the Living church of God, they tried to say Melchizedek was Jesus, then Ronald Weinland went so far as to say it was God if I remember right, but they speculate on alot of things which arent matched up with scripture.
I think one can speculate alot of what is not said.I think alot that is said in scripture could lead to a better conclusion.
Hi SDF,
Everybody seems to imagine some men are different to others.
But it is the Spirit of God that makes men into prophets and healers.
And according to scripture [Paul] God's power works best in weak peopleQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2010,16:11) Hi SDF,
Everybody seems to imagine some men are different to others.
But it is the Spirit of God that makes men into prophets and healers.
And according to scripture [Paul] God's power works best in weak people
nickMelchizedek ,was king of city of Salem (means Peace)
Pierre
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2010,09:05) Hi T,
jeruSALEM?
nickyea it seems it did not change he still the king of JeruSALEM.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ June 11 2010,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2010,09:05) Hi T,
jeruSALEM?
nickyea it seems it did not change he still the king of JeruSALEM.
Pierre
Nick,So are you stating here that Jersulem is salem?
are you serious.
This is called speculation.
talk about taking doctrine of what is not said.
Thanks KM,
http://bibleatlas.org/search–salemQuote (Nick Hassan @ May 22 2006,16:46) Hi,
Malcolm teaches that Melchizedek is God, based on an understanding of the verses in Hebrews 6 and 7. The original story is in Genesis 14.18f.
But Heb 74 says of him
“Now observe how great this MAN was ..”How can he be a man and yet God?
“God is not a man that He should lie..”
What do others think?
ps I mispelled the title of the thread.Doh
Hi Nick, Melchizedek was in actual fact the very Word of God because Scripture likens Him to the Son of God of the New Testament and again in Hebrews, a Priest of the Most High GodHi Oxy,
Scripture says he is a man.
Being likened to Yahshua does not make him Yahshua any more than the likeness of Yashua to Yah makes him YahQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,16:39) Hi Oxy,
Scripture says he is a man.
Being likened to Yahshua does not make him Yahshua any more than the likeness of Yashua to Yah makes him Yah
So all powerful God and/or the Word can't appear as a man? There is much evidence in the Old Testament that suggests He/they can.Hi Oxy,
There are no scriptures that say Jesus was here before he was born
The Eternal Spirit of Christ was thoughOxy………The Spirit of GOD that was (IN) Jesus the man and in all who Have it in them always existed it was GOD the FATHER that was in Jesus. Jesus did not exist before his berth in any form whatsoever . Do you remember when Jesus said “DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS (I) SHALL RAISE IT UP”, That was (NOT) Jesus speaking, that was GOD the Father speaking through HIM directly to those standing there at the time. God the Father considers US TEMPLES He can dwell (IN) because He is SPIRIT and Spirit can go in and OUT of BODIES and control minds and change thoughts and perceptions in us. Remember Jesus said the FATHER was (IN) Him, not that he was the FATHER or that He He himself was an eternal spirit of some kind either. We (exactly) like Jesus are called to have the (exact) same relationship with the FATHER as He has, Not one ounce of difference between Jesus and us except in position. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours Oxy……………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2010,20:14) Hi Oxy,
There are no scriptures that say Jesus was here before he was born
The Eternal Spirit of Christ was though
You are absolutely right Nick. Jesus was never on Earth before being born of Mary, but the Word of God was! Remember that the Word was made flesh and was called Jesus, but this is what He did before He came to Earth. Here are some instances:Gen 15:4 And behold, the Word of Jehovah came to him saying, This one shall not be your heir. But he that shall come forth out of your own bowels shall be your heir.
1Sa 15:10 And the Word of Jehovah came to Samuel saying……..
2Sa 7:4 And that night the Word of Jehovah came to Nathan saying………
2Sa 24:11 And David rose up in the morning. And the Word of Jehovah came to the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying……
1Ki 6:11 And the Word of Jehovah came to Solomon saying……
The list goes on and on. I used to wonder why it was written that the Word came to so and so saying, and then realised that that's exactly what happened. The very Word of God came and spoke to so many Old Testament characters… and there are other instances of His coming, such as when God said “Let Us go down…”
The eternal spirit of Christ? The only mention I can find of an eternal spirit refers to the Holy Spirit.
Hi Oxy,
The Word is of the Spirit.
The Spirit of God in Christ is called the Spirit of Christ.[rom8]
But in a wider sense as the Spirit is one the Holy Spirit can be called the Spirit of Christ[1peter1]
Likewise as in 1 Cor 10 and since the Lord now is the Spirit, the Spirit that manifested to lead and guide the Israelites in the desert is called Christ.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 13 2010,02:36) Oxy………The Spirit of GOD that was (IN) Jesus the man and in all who Have it in them always existed it was GOD the FATHER that was in Jesus. Jesus did not exist before his berth in any form whatsoever . Do you remember when Jesus said “DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS (I) SHALL RAISE IT UP”, That was (NOT) Jesus speaking, that was GOD the Father speaking through HIM directly to those standing there at the time. God the Father considers US TEMPLES He can dwell (IN) because He is SPIRIT and Spirit can go in and OUT of BODIES and control minds and change thoughts and perceptions in us. Remember Jesus said the FATHER was (IN) Him, not that he was the FATHER or that He He himself was an eternal spirit of some kind either. We (exactly) like Jesus are called to have the (exact) same relationship with the FATHER as He has, Not one ounce of difference between Jesus and us except in position. IMO Peace and love to you and yours Oxy……………………..gene
Hi Gene, peace brother.The Holy Spirit was in Christ from the time of His baptism. Scripture records this. I am well aware that Jesus spoke prophetically on a number of occasions, the Temple being one example.
I am aware that we are also temples, but does God control our minds? Can you show me Scripture to support this? God gave us free will and if God was so in control, why is sin still a factor?
I know that Jesus was as the Father rather than being Him.. this is pretty obvious.
I would prefer it if you called the Holy Spirit Him rather than it. It seems a little demeaning for the Holy Spirit.
I believe there is more than an ounce of difference between Christ and us otherwise we wouldn't need to be overcomers whereas He is already one.
So I'm not too sure what your point is bro…
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