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Hi,
Malcolm teaches that Melchizedek is God, based on an understanding of the verses in Hebrews 6 and 7. The original story is in Genesis 14.18f.
But Heb 74 says of him
“Now observe how great this MAN was ..”How can he be a man and yet God?
“God is not a man that He should lie..”
What do others think?
ps I mispelled the title of the thread.DohQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2006,16:56) Hi SS,
Neither Jesus nor God is Melchizedek.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was priest of God Most High.But who is God's High Priest?
Hi kenrch,
Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God
Psalm 110:4
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of MelchizedekHeb 5
“6And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”Heb 7
” 1This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.
4Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, their brothers—even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. 6This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. 8In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.Jesus Like Melchizedek
11If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. 13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”Jesus is priest of the order of Melchizedek.
Melchizedek was a MAN.
He had a father and a mother, beginning of days and end of life, but because they are not recorded scripture uses him as a TYPE of the PRIESTHOOD OF CHRIST, not the life of Christ, the monogenes Son.But who is God's High Priest?
I'm sorry I keep thinking that everyone knows who God's high priest is you're right there might be people who don't realize this.
Hi sscott,
What does it say about him in scripture?
Gen 14
” 17And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
21And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
22And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
23That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
24Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.”
He was one of the kings shown in the verse. No further detail is given about him and so Paul uses him as a type for Christ. To say he was never born and did not die goes beyond what is written in the historical record but the bread and the wine were prophetic for our day.
Hi sscott,
Melchizedek recognised Abraham as God's servant and knew the God of Abraham and blessed God and Abraham. He was clearly inspired by the Spirit of God. He was not of the priestly order, and preceded it's foundation, and is a type for Christ who is of the kingly line of David to also be the high priest of our profession as well.Heb 5
” 17And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.18And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
21And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
22And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
23That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
24Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.”
There was a change of priesthood to a permanent one and a greater one symbolised by Abraham[levi]paying tithes to Christ[melchizedek]
Heb 7
“4Now consider how great this MAN was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”
Note that he was a MAN. Men are born and die.
Hi ,
Worshipping Jesus says today without any scriptural or other support“Jesus had appeared in His divine life before His human birth as the priest-king Melchizedek.”
Who agrees with him?
Was Christ a priest after HIS OWN ORDER?
Hi,
Melchizedek was a PRIEST OF GOD.
Priests are not our God.
They minister to God.
They serve God.Heb 9
” 6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: “
Priests entered into the Holy place on behalf of the believers.
Christ too does that for us in heaven.
Heb 9
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:Jesus is our High Priest.
Heb 9
” 11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;”If he is our God he is not our priest
and we do not have one.Hi,
The high priest went through the torn temple curtain of his flesh,
to open access for us in him, to God.
God is not flesh.Heb 7:3 He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.
Was Melchizedek Jesus in the Old testament?
He has no end of life! So is Melchizedek alive but called Christ?
We have only one high priest, Jesus. But Melchizedek didn't die. Was John the baptist Elijah?Hi kenrch,
He cannot be the Son of God if he resembles him.
Scripture uses the unreported origins of the man Melchizedek as a simile for the appointed eternal priesthood of Christ.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2007,07:57) Hi kenrch,
He cannot be the Son of God if he resembles him.
Scripture uses the unreported origins of the man Melchizedek as a simile for the appointed eternal priesthood of Christ.
Hi Nick:Pray for me. I have a difficult time understanding this.
As you say men are born and men die. Jesus was born into this world and also died, but of course was resurrected from the dead. We know that he is our high priest, and so perhaps by appearance Melchizedek continued as High priest indicating that there was no sucessor as their was in the Levitical priesthood or perhaps it is that spirit of the Son of God that was manifested in Melchizedek because his name means “king of righteousness” and “king of peace”. The Word of God is eternal. (Just trying to think aloud) Krench questions “was John the Baptist Elijah”? I believe that I understand that he had the same anointing as Elijah.
There is only one High Priest, the Lord Jesus, and so, Melchizedek had to have died although there is not record of his death, but that spirit lives on.
God Bless
Hi 94,
He surely would have lived a normal life as a man. God placed him fleetingly and with minimal information of any kind about him in history as a type of Christ and founder of a new priesthood IMHO.Quote (942767 @ April 27 2007,04:58) There is only one High Priest, the Lord Jesus, and so, Melchizedek had to have died although there is not record of his death, but that spirit lives on. God Bless
Hi 94 …have a look at these …
http://www.focusonthekingdom.org/46.htm#1
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