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    Artizan007 replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years, 3 months ago

    Questions for you Worshiping Jesus,I am not Trinitarian, just so you know when you answer these questions.What do you mean by Father? Do you mean, Person, relationship name, an idea or concept etc etc.What do you mean by Son? Same as aboveWhat do you mean by HS? DittoSo are these names related to indicate Persons, relationships, Names given by…[Read more]

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    Hey GB, it is good to know both sides of the argument, and then like I have make a choice… I just love how the conclusions jump from one thing to another, then back again… :)

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    I found this quote in Culpepper's book…The Father and I are one. The Greek numeral here is neuter, not masculine; Jesus and the Father are one entity, not one person (Culpepper 1998, 182).I love the way Trinitarians jump between the “Who” and “what” questions? Here they are one in “what”, not one in “who”.

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    I was given this by my lecturer – I found it interesting how conclusions are made in this statement.John's Prologue Uncovered…God the Word (1c), who was eternally with God (1b, 2), at his very side (18b), brought everything into existence (3, 10b), including the world (11a) and its people (9). He who is very God (1c) intended to come to that…[Read more]

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    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,15:54)Hi A7,Be careful though, some here do not look too kindly on “searching”.  :):) Thanks Mandy, I am not too worried.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,15:03)Hi A7, I remember your freshness and enthusiastic searching for truth. Are you still like that?I hope so.Hey Nick,Thanks for you concern, I am here to learn and I do everytime I come to this site.Even more so now, but a lot less willing to accept just anything, and i dont want to settle for trite answers, so…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2008,20:15)Ps2Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Tell me, how is this talking about Jesus… David the writer of the psalm says, I will proclaim the Lord's decree: He said to ME, “you are my son; today I have begotten you. This is of David – he is not saying I will proclaim the Lord's decree: HE said to me…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,13:41)Hi A7,Have you been overcome by the worldly religious ideas of men having been so promising?Please explain your statement.

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    I understand what you are saying Nick, I don't pretend understand all things because God does not make things very clear at times, using metaphorical language, or mystery saying, parables that relate to another culture and can be taken litteraly, metaphorically, allegorically or spiritually etc etc, and evidently His Spirit works in and reveals…[Read more]

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    Hi Nick,You say Jesus was through Mary – you mean “of” or “through”? Anyhow, the scripture you quote has nothing to do with the topic. It is talking of salvation and receiving the promises, not of begetting.So for you Nick Jesus was a pre-existent being? A demi-God then; sounds like the idea of the “Demurge” – the idea that kindled the flame for…[Read more]

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    Quote (dirtyknections @ June 05 2008,01:42)Artizan…you misinterpret…Jesus being begotten means….THAT HE WAS THE ONLY SON OF GOD CREATED DIRECTLY BY GOD's HANDS…Yes god had other sons..but not begotten sons…All of Abrahams sons were begotten by him…THERE IS THE DIFFERENCEHi dirtyknections,I think you presume to much in making this…[Read more]

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    Hi Adam,Thanks for that scripture passage, however, I think you firstly need to decide who is doing the talking in Isaiah 53 and who the talking is being done about… Start in Isaiah 52 and read through to 54… Isaiah 53 is not a stand alone chapter, it begins in 52…Who does the term Our message refer to?Who does the “he” and the “us” and…[Read more]

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    Can you please quote from the Old Testament that Jesus was to be the propitiatory/ransom for the sin of the “world”?

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    Paul is writing a letter to encourage Timothy, it is not scripture – it only became scripture much later. The scripture Paul was talking about here was the Old Testament. or do you think Paul considered this personal letter to Timothy as scripture?

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    “The first prophecy in the bible found at Genesis 3:15 Pre-date any of the Pagan stories you quote”… Maybe of the ones I quoted, but you are mistaken if you think that this story was written down first – the first stories of expected “Messiah” figures, and of Dying and Rising God's can be found in Egyptian texts long before the Genesis account…[Read more]

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    Nick, “Monogenes” God's unique son, which you say is his Pre-existent son/being is called so because like Isaac, Abraham's unique “monogenes” son, he was a son of promise. Promised long before Abraham received the promise of his unique son, Isaac. He was not Abraham's “only son” for he had others, and so does God. The angels are sons of God are…[Read more]

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    Can anyone tell me why Jesus so called father Joseph has two fathers: In Matthew Joseph's father and Jesus' so called Grandfather is called Jacob, and in Luke he is called Heli?

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    I always wonder why the first Gospel has no mention of this virgin birth. Why does James, Jude, Peter or Paul never mention a virgin birth… he speaks of his birth, but not in any miraculous sense. Although Paul does use the word “chaste virgin” in connection to the Church, he never mentions Mary as being a virgin, or Jesus being Virgin born in…[Read more]

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    Hi, The One,I see you used Revelation 19:13 to depict the Word of God.I am interested to hear what you think is the hidden name referred to in this verse. Faithful and True, Word of God, or King of Kings and Lord of Lords or some other name… so many names so many metaphors… why could God not have revealed something a little more simple to…[Read more]

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    Hey Nick,Acts is more reliable? – Sure? It is written by a man we know absolutely nothing about… what was he like, did he live a Godly life, if he did, how do we know – there is no mention of him by Peter James or John, and we have no character reference to him other than he was supposedly a Pauline protégée: What of his life, his conversion, a…[Read more]

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