Melchizedek: is it an office or a person

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  • #310389
    Ed J
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    Hi Wakeup,

    Jesus was born – so we know he had a beginning of life; correct?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #310396
    journey42
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    Was not Shem priest of the most high God?


    Edj

    Can you show me scripture which says that Shem was a high priest of God?  I cannot find it in the scriptures?

    This is what I know about Shem.  Shem is the Father of the Israelites.

    Genesis 6:10   And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
    Genesis 9:19   These are the three sons of Noah:  and of them was the whole earth overspread.

    The Israelites are the Sons of Shem
    The Europeans are the sons of Japeth
    Genesis 10:2   The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras
    Genesis 10:5   By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

    The Philistines & Egyptians are sons of Ham.
    Genesis 9:18   And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Sham, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.
    Genesis 9:25   And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

    Genesis 9:26   And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Genesis 10:18   And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

    Genesis 9:27   God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
    Japheth – Europeans (later welcomed the New Testatment)
    Shem – Israel (stuck with the old Testament)
    But both worship the Same God of the Holy Bible.  They are under the same Tent (one under the old, and one under the new)
    Ham doesn't share this tent. (They don't accept the holy scriptures as the Word of God – (old or new test.) have their own version)

    So out of Ham, came the islamic nations,  always at war against Shem (Israel) and still fighting for that piece of land in Jerusalem which God gave the Israelites.  So they are fighting God.  Scripture says that Cannan (Ham) will serve Shem.  This is a prophesy also and will be completely fulfilled during the 1000 year reign of Christ.
    Japeth (Europeans) share the same tent as Israel, because they believe in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.  Ham's lot do not.  Ham's lot will be taught by the Israelites in the Millenium.  Instead of fighting against Jerusalem, they will be taught by her.

    This does not mean that all Shem and Japeths decendants will be saved in the end, as we know only those that followed Christ will, but they came out of these nations (Israel,& Europe)  
    Even if they are of Ham, and come to the truth, they have  salvation, like anyone, ….there will be only a few here and there, …but all those nations as a whole will not accept Christ till the very bitter end. And the sad thing is that modern day Japeth is heading that way now too.

    No where can I find that Shem was a High Priest, but he plays a big part in fathering Israel's bloodline.

    #310400
    Ed J
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    Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 24 2012,14:51)

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    Was not Shem priest of the most high God?


    Edj

    Can you show me scripture which says that Shem was a high priest of God?  I cannot find it in the scriptures?


    Hi Georgie,

    “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine:
    and he was the priest of the most high God.” (Gen 14:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #310408
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:13)

    Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 24 2012,14:51)

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    Was not Shem priest of the most high God?


    Edj

    Can you show me scripture which says that Shem was a high priest of God?  I cannot find it in the scriptures?


    Hi Georgie,

    “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine:
    and he was the priest of the most high God.” (Gen 14:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Edj

    That does not say Shem was a high Priest.
    It says Melchizedek was.
    There was no King in Salem then.
    Salem did not even exist.
    Salem means Peace

    #310414
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,11:37)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Jesus was born – so we know he had a beginning of life; correct?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EdJ.

    The tranformation from spirit to flesh happened at his birth,yes.

    Before he was tranformed he was spirit with God from everlasting.

    wakeup.

    #310418
    terraricca
    Participant

    j42

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    Pierre

    You tell me what Priests of God were around in Abrahams day?
    Abraham was the one who had contact with God, then his son Isaac was also loved by God, and also his grandson Lot. Where is Melchisedek's lineage? Why is it not mentioned, with such a high title, King of Righeousness, and King of Peace? No mention of his lineage? Cause there is no lineage. No mother or father. But your bible says no KNOWN mother or father, so there, you cannot understand the scripture, for it gives you the wrong meaning, implying no-one knew who his mother or father was, when in fact he did not have one.

    I AM PAYING ATTENTION TO MELCHIZEDEK BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE TOPIC IS ABOUT.

    Genesis 15 has nothing to do with Melchezeldek. You are off track and still can't explain.

    you paying attention right ,and from there you are inventing and building your own scriptures right ??? yes

    WHAT HIS A PRIEST ???

    #310427
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 24 2012,16:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:13)

    Quote (journey42 @ Aug. 24 2012,14:51)

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    Was not Shem priest of the most high God?


    Edj

    Can you show me scripture which says that Shem was a high priest of God?  I cannot find it in the scriptures?


    Hi Georgie,

    “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine:
    and he was the priest of the most high God.” (Gen 14:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Edj

    That does not say Shem was a high Priest.
    It says Melchizedek was.
    There was no King in Salem then.
    Salem did not even exist.
    Salem means Peace


    Melchizedek was Shem.

    #310430
    terraricca
    Participant

    EDDY

    (Melchizedek was Shem.)

    IN WITCH SCRIPTURE ???

    #310432
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,01:20)
    EDDY

    (Melchizedek was Shem.)

    IN WITCH SCRIPTURE ???


    Hi Pierre,   (Jasher 16:11-12)

    Is not this written in the book of Jasher?  (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #310435
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,08:33)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,01:20)
    EDDY

    (Melchizedek was Shem.)

    IN WITCH SCRIPTURE ???


    Hi Pierre,   (Jasher 16:11-12)

    Is not this written in the book of Jasher?  (Link)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

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    the book of Jasher

    Perhaps the closest approach to an official acknowledgment of the Book of Jasher among the latter-day saints was when the Prophet Joseph Smith quoted from it as a source which had “not been disproved as a bad author.”[2] The saints became more enamored with the book than did the rest of the Judeo-Christian world, and certain members of the Church secured the copyright and republished the work in 1887 in Salt Lake City. Various photocopy reprints of that edition are still available, and the book is also accessible in its entirety on the Internet.[

    Again, Jasher is mentioned as a reference, but this time it is not immediately obvious why it is included. If Samuel is merely noting David's educational curriculum, why give this reference when there are precious few sources given for all his other deeds? It was very unusual for ancient historians to provide references, so this one is somewhat mysterious.

    Other Books of Jasher. There are at least three books published in modern times which have been called “The Book of Jasher”, which are entirely different books. One is a Hebrew treatise on ethics, for which no one makes the claim of being a lost book of scripture.[8] Another is an easily detected fraud, published in 1751, which claims to have been translated into English by Flaccus Albinus Alcuinus.[9] It is still in print, so if you obtain a copy of the Book of Jasher, make sure it is not that one. It is sometimes called Pseudo-Jasher to distinguish it from the third Book of Jasher, which is a legitimate Hebrew document and the subject of this article.

    The Hebrew Source. When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, an officer named Sidrus discovered a hidden library complete with a scholar hiding there. The officer had mercy on the man and took him and the books to his residence at what is now Seville, Spain, but was then called Hispalis, capital of the Roman province Hispalensis. The manuscript was donated to the Jewish college at Cordova, Spain, and after printing was invented, the Jewish scholars had the book printed in Hebrew in Venice in 1625.[10]

    WELL THAT BOOK FOR SURE AS OBSCURE BACK GROUND ,so I will stick to scriptures as they have been accepted as being true within them selves .

    #310439
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Pierre,

    The “book of Jasher” can be compared to the “book of Maccabees”  –  or “Kings” and “Chronicles” (of the bible).
    They were both written a historical record of the children of Israel.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #310444
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,09:30)
    Hi Pierre,

    The “book of Jasher” can be compared to the “book of Maccabees”  –  or “Kings” and “Chronicles” (of the bible).
    They were both written a historical record of the children of Israel.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    ed

    I know all about them ,this is my point ,I never use them ,

    I am not interested in mens view ,

    #310445
    terraricca
    Participant

    ed

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    or “Kings” and “Chronicles” (of the bible).

    why are you not believing the colter UB DO NOT MIXED THE BIBLE WITH THE APOCRIPHE BOOKS

    #310447
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,04:38)
    ed

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    or “Kings” and “Chronicles” (of the bible).

    why are you not believing the colter UB DO NOT MIXED THE BIBLE WITH THE APOCRIPHE BOOKS


    Hi Pierre,

    I did read the 'UB' book myself (about 8 years ago).
    Is not YOUR opinion to be compared with Colter's?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #310465
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,12:21)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,04:38)
    ed

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    or “Kings” and “Chronicles” (of the bible).

    why are you not believing the colter UB DO NOT MIXED THE BIBLE WITH THE APOCRIPHE BOOKS


    Hi Pierre,

    I did read the 'UB' book myself (about 8 years ago).
    Is not YOUR opinion to be compared with Colter's?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    ed

    well you have a point :D

    #310476
    Ed J
    Participant

    .  :)

    #313694
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Everyone,

    “And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the
    most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God,
    possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath de-
    livered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.” (Gen.14:18-20)

                 Just because the writer of the book of Hebrews didn't know
                 who Melchizedek was, does not mean that God didn't know.

                 Melchizedek is declared to be Shem in “the book of Jasher”.
                 (See biblical References: Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18)              

                    Melchizedek filled the office of a King/Priest;  
                    Jesus later permanently fills the King/Priest office.  

     “The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou (Jesus) art a priest for ever
      after the order [the King/Priest office] of  Melchizedek.” Psalms 110:4

    And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram
    and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech.
    And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had
    brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God.” (Jasher 16:11-12)


               
    Shem is also shown to be alive (during the entire lifespan of Abraham) in this historical bible linage chart.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #313696
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Everyone,

    Sorry about the chart being over-sized. :(

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #384979
    Ed J
    Participant

    Bump for Wakeup

    #384983
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2012,10:53)
    Hi Everyone,

    Sorry about the chart being over-sized.  :(

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed.

    Was Shem without father and without mother;
    and with no beginning of life; and no end of life?

    wakeup.

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